The Three shall become One

[Guest tristen pelton]

One of the Prophecies says that the "Three shall become One." It is thought that this refers to Rand having to link with two women to use Callandor, but what if it in fact refers to the three armies (Rand's, Mat's, and Perrins) coming together at the Last Battle? Or to possibly signal the actual beginning of Tarmon' gaidon?

[Terez]

There are a billion theories on this, including the ta'veren effect (they are linked through the visions); the True Power becoming one with saidar and saidin; Rand, Moridin and Lews Therin, etc. They're all pretty loony. Right now, since Brandon has confirmed that there will indeed be a circle with Callandor that plays an important role, it's looking like that is the most likely interpretation, but if it's not that, then my vote is for the triple-Warder bond when Rand is resurrected.

[OptimusPrime]

Narishma Alivia and Nynaeve become one when they use Callandor against Rand

[FarShainMael]

"He shall hold a blade of light in his hands, and the three shall be one." (TGS48)

 

I favour the separate prophecies / three ta'veren interpretation, personally. Remind yourselves of what it is to be ta'veren: it means the Pattern shapes itself around the individual concerned:

 

"Ta'veren: A person around whom the Wheel of Time weaves all surrounding life-threads, perhaps ALL life-threads, to form a Web of Destiny." (TEotW,Glossary)

 

Our three lads from EF are experiencing an urge to meet up, for pretty much the first time since Falme. When they are all three together, the effect on the Pattern will be profound, perhaps cataclysmic.

[b3arz3rg3r]

Obviously Min, Elayne and Aviendha will merge into Eliendreda to appease the monogamy crowd and to create a character who curses about sheepherders while sitting on her throne in a sweat tent.

[OptimusPrime]

Obviously Min, Elayne and Aviendha will merge into Eliendreda to appease the monogamy crowd and to create a character who curses about sheepherders while sitting on her throne in a sweat tent.

 

"You have toh towards me, you sheepherding looby!"

[Mandro]

There is a lot of numerological mythology involved int he series. 3/7/13. Three, the trinity, 7 the long standing divine number, and 13 for ill fate or evil.

 

I'm thinking that in the end there will be a combination of the numbers in some fashion. Like, there won't just be one triplet, but maybe 3 triplets, or 7 triplets, in opposition to 13 aspects of evil (and not the forsaken, there aren't 13 forsaken anymore.)

 

We have the three women, the three ta'veren, the three who will be involved in the circle, the three powers, the three factions (black tower/rand, White Tower/egwene, and the rest of the world, or maybe the enemy) I'm sure there are more triplets. As for the prophesy, I believe that the 3 becoming one will be the combination of all three of the powers channeled in cohesion to finally return the prison as it was at creation.

 

[edit] just fixed a few typos.

[idiostock]

Obviously Min, Elayne and Aviendha will merge into Eliendreda to appease the monogamy crowd and to create a character who curses about sheepherders while sitting on her throne in a sweat tent.

 

"You have toh towards me, you sheepherding looby!"

 

*sniffs, plants fists on hips*

[Hopefire]

My preferred theory is that Min, Elayne and Aviendha are combined like Slayer is, three people in one body, but still three separate people.

 

We'll see.

[b3arz3rg3r]

I've been wondering, is there any hint that there are certain angreael or sa'angreal or even ter'angreal which might correspond to Callandor? That perhaps there are tools of power which must be used together to make up for Callandor's flaws?

[Evoke]

Still got my money firmly on the three Ta'veren from Emond's Field.

 

These three young men went out into the world together only to be split up early in their adventure. From there on the three were rarely in the same place all at once. Now, their individual adventures are coming to an end and they will face the Shadow together. And as one they will do the impossible.

[Terez]

I've been wondering, is there any hint that there are certain angreael or sa'angreal or even ter'angreal which might correspond to Callandor? That perhaps there are tools of power which must be used together to make up for Callandor's flaws?

Maybe it needs a special scabbard.

[b3arz3rg3r]

I've been wondering, is there any hint that there are certain angreael or sa'angreal or even ter'angreal which might correspond to Callandor? That perhaps there are tools of power which must be used together to make up for Callandor's flaws?

Maybe it needs a special scabbard.

 

Yeah something like that. Although it probably wouldn't be as obvious as a scabbard, since then the guys with the encyclopedic knowledge of the series would have picked up on it by book 5 at the latest.

[Terez]

Not if the scabbard hasn't been made yet!

[b3arz3rg3r]

Not if the scabbard hasn't been made yet!

 

Hmm that would be an idea. Min to figure out that the scabbard is necessary, Aviendha to determine just how Callandor is flawed with her sensitivity for artifacts of the One Power and Elayne to finally make the scabbard.

 

There's always been that problem that to use Callandor properly the woman would have to guide the flows, that always struck me wrong since if it was one of the women who actually sealed the DO shouldn't there be a lot more mention of her in the prophecies? Rand would just be a reservoir of Saidin in that case wouldn't he? She would be more important than him ultimately.

[Terez]

Not if the scabbard hasn't been made yet!

 

Hmm that would be an idea. Min to figure out that the scabbard is necessary, Aviendha to determine just how Callandor is flawed with her sensitivity for artifacts of the One Power and Elayne to finally make the scabbard.

 

There's always been that problem that to use Callandor properly the woman would have to guide the flows, that always struck me wrong since if it was one of the women who actually sealed the DO shouldn't there be a lot more mention of her in the prophecies?

Like this one?

 

The Last Battle would be between the Empire and the forces of the Dark One. Everybody knew that. The prophecies clearly showed that the Empress would defeat those who served the Shadow, and then she would send the Dragon Reborn in to duel with Lighteater.

I have argued that it seems unlikely Ishamael could have managed to corrupt the mainland prophecies, but assuming it's possible, this could be a reason why he sent Luthair across the ocean - to destroy the Empire, or to create an alternate Empire that would be in opposition to the Dragon Reborn when the time came. And if a woman leads the circle, this might well explain why it will leave Rand vulnerable to attack, as we saw with Eben Hopwil at the cleansing. Also, "Lighteater" seems to fit with 'Light is held before the infinite maw, and all that he is can be seized.'

 

Rand would just be a reservoir of Saidin in that case wouldn't he? She would be more important than him ultimately.

So she seems to think. But I'm sure it's not quite that simple.

[b3arz3rg3r]

Not if the scabbard hasn't been made yet!

 

Hmm that would be an idea. Min to figure out that the scabbard is necessary, Aviendha to determine just how Callandor is flawed with her sensitivity for artifacts of the One Power and Elayne to finally make the scabbard.

 

There's always been that problem that to use Callandor properly the woman would have to guide the flows, that always struck me wrong since if it was one of the women who actually sealed the DO shouldn't there be a lot more mention of her in the prophecies?

Like this one?

 

The Last Battle would be between the Empire and the forces of the Dark One. Everybody knew that. The prophecies clearly showed that the Empress would defeat those who served the Shadow, and then she would send the Dragon Reborn in to duel with Lighteater.

I have argued that it seems unlikely Ishamael could have managed to corrupt the mainland prophecies, but assuming it's possible, this could be a reason why he sent Luthair across the ocean - to destroy the Empire, or to create an alternate Empire that would be in opposition to the Dragon Reborn when the time came. And if a woman leads the circle, this might well explain why it will leave Rand vulnerable to attack, as we saw with Eben Hopwil at the cleansing. Also, "Lighteater" seems to fit with 'Light is held before the infinite maw, and all that he is can be seized.'

 

Rand would just be a reservoir of Saidin in that case wouldn't he? She would be more important than him ultimately.

So she seems to think. But I'm sure it's not quite that simple.

 

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

[Terez]

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

Just because she hasn't channeled yet does not mean that she won't. We know that she can, and we know that it's probably even necessary if there is to be any hope of resolving the damane issue before the end. So don't be so quick to dismiss it, especially in light of the fact that there is a good amount of support for the idea.

[b3arz3rg3r]

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

Just because she hasn't channeled yet does not mean that she won't. We know that she can, and we know that it's probably even necessary if there is to be any hope of resolving the damane issue before the end. So don't be so quick to dismiss it, especially in light of the fact that there is a good amount of support for the idea.

 

Even if she started to learn immmediately, she wouldn't learn enough to light a candle in time. So yeah I am so quick to dismiss it. There hardly any amount of support for the idea.

[Terez]

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

Just because she hasn't channeled yet does not mean that she won't. We know that she can, and we know that it's probably even necessary if there is to be any hope of resolving the damane issue before the end. So don't be so quick to dismiss it, especially in light of the fact that there is a good amount of support for the idea.

 

Even if she started to learn immmediately, she wouldn't learn enough to light a candle in time.

She already knows how to channel, as we saw in KOD. She just does it through the damane.

 

So yeah I am so quick to dismiss it. There hardly any amount of support for the idea.

No, you're just dismissing the support for the idea.

[b3arz3rg3r]

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

Just because she hasn't channeled yet does not mean that she won't. We know that she can, and we know that it's probably even necessary if there is to be any hope of resolving the damane issue before the end. So don't be so quick to dismiss it, especially in light of the fact that there is a good amount of support for the idea.

 

Even if she started to learn immmediately, she wouldn't learn enough to light a candle in time.

She already knows how to channel, as we saw in KOD. She just does it through the damane.

 

So yeah I am so quick to dismiss it. There hardly any amount of support for the idea.

No, you're just dismissing the support for the idea.

 

And we also know that being a sul'dam as a hobby, and really it isn't more for her, isn't the same as channelling yourself. To think she would somehow be able to do something as complicated as sealing the DO all of a sudden is just unbelievable.

[Terez]

And we also know that being a sul'dam as a hobby, and really it isn't more for her, isn't the same as channelling yourself.

It's not the same, but your argument was that because she has never channeled before, she would be useless. However, she is probably just as skilled with weaves as any damane in Seanchan (or any sul'dam for that matter). She is skilled enough that she teaches the weaves to the damane herself usually rather than having other damane do it. She knows Healing, for example, even though they only recently learned how to do it from Aes Sedai. The evidence points to her being rather exceptional in this regard.

 

It is implied that not all sul'dam can channel directly through a damane - that is, take full control of the link as Nynaeve did with Moghedien - or else there would be no need to train damane at all. Renna, for example, always asked Egwene to do the weaving, and she never took control of the Power that we saw. Presumably, that level of control requires not only that the sul'dam be able to see the weaves (which usually only comes with experience), but it requires that the sul'dam be very practiced and talented. Probably most der'suldam can do it, but I'd bet not all of them. I'd bet that this is why Tuon seems more concerned with training damane to accept their fate as a Leashed One. Her skill probably makes the Power-training aspect of it the easiest part.

 

In any case, I don't think that these details are unimportant. Tuon is talented and skilled for a reason.

 

To think she would somehow be able to do something as complicated as sealing the DO all of a sudden is just unbelievable.

Herid Fel thought it rather unbelievable that the Dragon Reborn could do it, for that matter. We don't know what it will take to seal the Bore, and for all we know, the weaves for Sky Lights might be useful in sealing it. Rand has already admitted that he has no idea what to do.

[OptimusPrime]

And we also know that being a sul'dam as a hobby, and really it isn't more for her, isn't the same as channelling yourself.

It's not the same, but your argument was that because she has never channeled before, she would be useless. However, she is probably just as skilled with weaves as any damane in Seanchan (or any sul'dam for that matter). She is skilled enough that she teaches the weaves to the damane herself usually rather than having other damane do it. She knows Healing, for example, even though they only recently learned how to do it from Aes Sedai. The evidence points to her being rather exceptional in this regard.

 

It is implied that not all sul'dam can channel directly through a damane - that is, take full control of the link as Nynaeve did with Moghedien - or else there would be no need to train damane at all. Renna, for example, always asked Egwene to do the weaving, and she never took control of the Power that we saw. Presumably, that level of control requires not only that the sul'dam be able to see the weaves (which usually only comes with experience), but it requires that the sul'dam be very practiced and talented. Probably most der'suldam can do it, but I'd bet not all of them. I'd bet that this is why Tuon seems more concerned with training damane to accept their fate as a Leashed One. Her skill probably makes the Power-training aspect of it the easiest part.

 

In any case, I don't think that these details are unimportant. Tuon is talented and skilled for a reason.

 

To think she would somehow be able to do something as complicated as sealing the DO all of a sudden is just unbelievable.

Herid Fel thought it rather unbelievable that the Dragon Reborn could do it, for that matter. We don't know what it will take to seal the Bore

 

Ever wonder why every Aes Sedai must go through the hundred weaves thing in their test?

[Terez]

Ever wonder why every Aes Sedai must go through the hundred weaves thing in their test?

lol, are you trying to say those weaves will be useful in sealing the Bore? That would be funny...but not as funny as Sky Lights...

 

Maybe if they use Sky Lights to mess with the crazy sky above the Bore then they can confuse the Dark One and distract him long enough to seal him up.

[OptimusPrime]

Ever wonder why every Aes Sedai must go through the hundred weaves thing in their test?

lol, are you trying to say those weaves will be useful in sealing the Bore?

 

Who knows? Maybe not as they are, but what if Nynaeve was to make another discovery that made them relevent somehow?

 

As for Sky Lights I can just see Demandred stood over Rand, about to balefire his ginger ass, when he sees some Sky Lights and thinks its the Creator intervening