Discuss Jason's Proper Review

[Decius]

Makes me think ToM is the darkest hour before sunrise. It's "The Empire Strikes Back" to to the later "Return of the Jedi."

 

I really hope that AMOL doesn't end with an Ewok music video.

 

Moridin and Rand facing off:

 

Moridin: "You are no Lews Therin. Anyway, saidin is nothing! You want to kill me? To kill Shai'tan? Sieze the True Power! NOW RELEASE YOUR ANGER!"

Rand: *angry*

Rand's mother's spirit: "No Rand! Use saidin! Use saidin!"

Moridin: "I am your real father, your mother is bound to me for all time!" *evil laugh* "Join me and live with your family, sieze the TP, seize your birthright!"

Rand "GRRRRRRR!"

-END ToM-

[b3arz3rg3r]

Makes me think ToM is the darkest hour before sunrise. It's "The Empire Strikes Back" to to the later "Return of the Jedi."

 

I really hope that AMOL doesn't end with an Ewok music video.

 

Just imagine it, the final scene of AMOL. All the Tinkers left alive gathered in one place and then they sing the Song

 

Yub nub

eee chop yub nub

ah toe meet toe pee-chee keene

g'noop dock fling oh ah

Yah wah

eee chop yah wah

ah toe meet toe pee-chee keene

g'noop dock fling oh ah

Coatee chah tu yub nub

coatee chah tu yahwah

coatee chah tu glowah

allay loo ta nuv

Glowah

eee chop glowah

ya glowah pee chu nee foam

ah toot dee awe goon daa

Coatee cha tu goo (Yub nub!)

coatee cha tu doo (Yahwah!)

coatee cha tu too (Ya chaa!)

allay loo ta nuv

allay loo ta nuv

allay loo ta nuv

Glowah

eee chop glowah

ya glowah pee chu nee foam

ah toot dee awe goon daa

Allay loo ta nuv

 

ROFL

[KefkaPalazzo]

Back to Jason's comment about Olver, I think he'll survive/the horrible thing we are thinking of won't happen. All he said was that it involved Olver, and it was very sad. I think that Mat and Olver will part ways for good, on the way to the ToG. It might even be as a result of the end of SSL. If Olver was (God forbid) not the victim at the end of the chapter, he SERIOUSLY dodged a bullet. Mat will realize that the whole thing is just too dangerous for him, and leave him somewhere safe, and hate himself for doing it. He won't stow away with Mat. We know this. Here's how we know:

 

-Noal is Mat and Thom's third. He offered, and let's face it, Mat might be irresponsible in many MANY things, but he wouldn't be so irresponsible as to bring a ten-year-old child into another dimension. I also don't like to bring cover art into this but...

-Coming without a third means that all three (Moiraine, Thom, and Mat) will be killed.

-Bringing Olver AND Noal means death for all five of them.

-At least Moiraine will survive. There are still loose ends involving her. This means the mission will, at least in part, be a success.

 

I do admit, Mat's section would be a bit darker without fantasy's second-coolest ten-year-old (sorry, but Arya Stark JUST barely has him beat)

[b3arz3rg3r]

Back to Jason's comment about Olver, I think he'll survive/the horrible thing we are thinking of won't happen. All he said was that it involved Olver, and it was very sad. I think that Mat and Olver will part ways for good, on the way to the ToG. It might even be as a result of the end of SSL. If Olver was (God forbid) not the victim at the end of the chapter, he SERIOUSLY dodged a bullet. Mat will realize that the whole thing is just too dangerous for him, and leave him somewhere safe, and hate himself for doing it. He won't stow away with Mat. We know this. Here's how we know:

 

-Noal is Mat and Thom's third. He offered, and let's face it, Mat might be irresponsible in many MANY things, but he wouldn't be so irresponsible as to bring a ten-year-old child into another dimension. I also don't like to bring cover art into this but...

-Coming without a third means that all three (Moiraine, Thom, and Mat) will be killed.

-Bringing Olver AND Noal means death for all five of them.

-At least Moiraine will survive. There are still loose ends involving her. This means the mission will, at least in part, be a success.

 

I do admit, Mat's section would be a bit darker without fantasy's second-coolest ten-year-old (sorry, but Arya Stark JUST barely has him beat)

 

Of course no one thinks that Mat will allow Olver to accompany him. But what if Olver follows Mat on his own? They technically wouldn't be together if he follows at some distance.

 

Another thing which I could see happening is Olver paying the price of some bad bargain Mat made. You know Mat trying to trick the Elfinn and Aelfinn and somehow Olver suffering the backlash.

 

To be fair Arya has undergone so much she had to toughen up far more than Olver ever did.

[KefkaPalazzo]

Back to Jason's comment about Olver, I think he'll survive/the horrible thing we are thinking of won't happen. All he said was that it involved Olver, and it was very sad. I think that Mat and Olver will part ways for good, on the way to the ToG. It might even be as a result of the end of SSL. If Olver was (God forbid) not the victim at the end of the chapter, he SERIOUSLY dodged a bullet. Mat will realize that the whole thing is just too dangerous for him, and leave him somewhere safe, and hate himself for doing it. He won't stow away with Mat. We know this. Here's how we know:

 

-Noal is Mat and Thom's third. He offered, and let's face it, Mat might be irresponsible in many MANY things, but he wouldn't be so irresponsible as to bring a ten-year-old child into another dimension. I also don't like to bring cover art into this but...

-Coming without a third means that all three (Moiraine, Thom, and Mat) will be killed.

-Bringing Olver AND Noal means death for all five of them.

-At least Moiraine will survive. There are still loose ends involving her. This means the mission will, at least in part, be a success.

 

I do admit, Mat's section would be a bit darker without fantasy's second-coolest ten-year-old (sorry, but Arya Stark JUST barely has him beat)

 

Of course no one thinks that Mat will allow Olver to accompany him. But what if Olver follows Mat on his own? They technically wouldn't be together if he follows at some distance.

 

Another thing which I could see happening is Olver paying the price of some bad bargain Mat made. You know Mat trying to trick the Elfinn and Aelfinn and somehow Olver suffering the backlash.

 

To be fair Arya has undergone so much she had to toughen up far more than Olver ever did.

 

My reasoning behind the idea that Olver will not be involved beyond possibly the planning stage is this part of Moiraine's letter.

 

"If you try, it must be only you and Mat and one other. More will mean death for all. Fewer will mean death for all. Even if you come only with Mat and one other, death also may come. I have seen you try and die, one or two or all three. I have seen myself die in the attempt. I have seen all of us live and die as captives."

 

I just don't see a lot of wiggle-room for a technicality there.

 

Also, Olver idolizes Mat, and does everything Mat tells him to do. Sure he might will argue, but I don't think Olver is that reckless. I guess it depends on how level Mat is with him. If Mat makes it very clear that THIS IS DANGEROUS, Olver will listen and stay away. If all Mat mentions about it is references to Snakes and Foxes, I agree that Mat would have to tie Olver to a chair, then nail the chair to the ground to keep him from going. I mean, it's his favorite game, only REAL. What ten-year-old would pass that up? None I know.

[Maji]

Back to Jason's comment about Olver, I think he'll survive/the horrible thing we are thinking of won't happen. All he said was that it involved Olver, and it was very sad. I think that Mat and Olver will part ways for good, on the way to the ToG. It might even be as a result of the end of SSL. If Olver was (God forbid) not the victim at the end of the chapter, he SERIOUSLY dodged a bullet. Mat will realize that the whole thing is just too dangerous for him, and leave him somewhere safe, and hate himself for doing it. He won't stow away with Mat. We know this. Here's how we know:

 

-Noal is Mat and Thom's third. He offered, and let's face it, Mat might be irresponsible in many MANY things, but he wouldn't be so irresponsible as to bring a ten-year-old child into another dimension. I also don't like to bring cover art into this but...

-Coming without a third means that all three (Moiraine, Thom, and Mat) will be killed.

-Bringing Olver AND Noal means death for all five of them.

-At least Moiraine will survive. There are still loose ends involving her. This means the mission will, at least in part, be a success.

 

I do admit, Mat's section would be a bit darker without fantasy's second-coolest ten-year-old (sorry, but Arya Stark JUST barely has him beat)

 

Of course no one thinks that Mat will allow Olver to accompany him. But what if Olver follows Mat on his own? They technically wouldn't be together if he follows at some distance.

 

Another thing which I could see happening is Olver paying the price of some bad bargain Mat made. You know Mat trying to trick the Elfinn and Aelfinn and somehow Olver suffering the backlash.

 

To be fair Arya has undergone so much she had to toughen up far more than Olver ever did.

 

My reasoning behind the idea that Olver will not be involved beyond possibly the planning stage is this part of Moiraine's letter.

 

"If you try, it must be only you and Mat and one other. More will mean death for all. Fewer will mean death for all. Even if you come only with Mat and one other, death also may come. I have seen you try and die, one or two or all three. I have seen myself die in the attempt. I have seen all of us live and die as captives."

 

I just don't see a lot of wiggle-room for a technicality there.

 

Also, Olver idolizes Mat, and does everything Mat tells him to do. Sure he might will argue, but I don't think Olver is that reckless. I guess it depends on how level Mat is with him. If Mat makes it very clear that THIS IS DANGEROUS, Olver will listen and stay away. If all Mat mentions about it is references to Snakes and Foxes, I agree that Mat would have to tie Olver to a chair, then nail the chair to the ground to keep him from going. I mean, it's his favorite game, only REAL. What ten-year-old would pass that up? None I know.

 

 

I couldn't agree more. If Mat lays down the law, like we've seen him due time to time, he will keep Oliver from going. I can see Mat leaving Oliver with Juilin and his pretty since he does so pretty regularly as it is.

[Balise]

I am not sure if it has been mentioned before, so I will just state it as unmentioned.

 

From what I gather from the series is that Olver is the young Gadal Cain. He was spun out of the world of dreams and so we know for sure he exists in the world and since "time moves differently here" in the world of dreams I believe there is a solid chance that Olver is Gadal. If this is the case and since Birgitte was spun out prematurely, perhaps there is some re-aligning that has to occur for this legendary couple to be able to be together through this next age, perhaps Olver has to be advanced in age somehow (through spending time in the other worlds that age faster) or just become older suddenly, therefore missing his childhood, but being of compatible ages for Birgitte.

 

Thats just my quick reaction to the comments in the review.

[Maji]

I am not sure if it has been mentioned before, so I will just state it as unmentioned.

 

From what I gather from the series is that Olver is the young Gadal Cain. He was spun out of the world of dreams and so we know for sure he exists in the world and since "time moves differently here" in the world of dreams I believe there is a solid chance that Olver is Gadal. If this is the case and since Birgitte was spun out prematurely, perhaps there is some re-aligning that has to occur for this legendary couple to be able to be together through this next age, perhaps Olver has to be advanced in age somehow (through spending time in the other worlds that age faster) or just become older suddenly, therefore missing his childhood, but being of compatible ages for Birgitte.

 

Thats just my quick reaction to the comments in the review.

 

RJ has stated repeatedly that Oliver is not Gaidal Cain reborn. The timing doesn't even fit from when Gaidal disappeared to Oliver's age. There has been multiple threads about this and disproven every time, even from the source (RJ).

[Khan]

Concerning the Olver incident, I'm calling that he is Demandred. :o

[KefkaPalazzo]

Concerning the Olver incident, I'm calling that he is Demandred. :o

 

Sorry! RJ said that we haven't seen his alter ego, thereby eliminating our prime suspect for Demandred. It also eliminated people like that Taim guy.

[Khan]

Concerning the Olver incident, I'm calling that he is Demandred. :o

 

Sorry! RJ said that we haven't seen his alter ego, thereby eliminating our prime suspect for Demandred. It also eliminated people like that Taim guy.

 

I'm not being serious. ;) But it would break some people's hearts whislt making others laugh hysterically I suppose... I know I'd be caught between the two.

[Crael123]

JUST WONDERING but were there other spoilers in the unofficial review? im curious ino you cant give me them but jw

[hawkinja]

I think that we'll find out that olver is really gaidal caine reborn. He will have some incident with Birgitte and one of the two will finally recognize the other

[Barid Bel Medar]

I think that we'll find out that olver is really gaidal caine reborn. He will have some incident with Birgitte and one of the two will finally recognize the other

 

Olver is not Gaidal Cain.

 

What is it with this surge of people bringing it up?

 

 

RJ has said many times Olver is NOT Gaidal Cain

[KefkaPalazzo]

Concerning the Olver incident, I'm calling that he is Demandred. :o

 

Sorry! RJ said that we haven't seen his alter ego, thereby eliminating our prime suspect for Demandred. It also eliminated people like that Taim guy.

 

I'm not being serious. ;) But it would break some people's hearts whislt making others laugh hysterically I suppose... I know I'd be caught between the two.

I was kidding too. I blame Dragonmount for not having a sarcasm setting.

[YinYangMan]

Well while we're being sarcastic. Maybe someone will finally tell Olver how ugly he truly is.

[Ryan Reich]

To the people speculating that the Dark One is a human who got the powers of a god: do try to remember that Brandon Sanderson is finishing the series, not creating it. Jordan has been very consistent on his "Manichean" outlook in these books; it does not make sense that there should be the good Creator and then some other bad guy.

[TheAngryDruid]

Makes me think ToM is the darkest hour before sunrise. It's "The Empire Strikes Back" to to the later "Return of the Jedi."

 

Not to sidetrack the good discussion, but Empire is my favorite of the 3, hands down.

 

If ToM is better than tGS (which I enjoyed immensely), then I'll be stoked. Hell, I'll be stoked if it is equally good.

[Keiling]

Arghh... Loved the review! Why can't ToM come out tomorrow??!!

 

And um seriously, of course Olver is Demandred I remember an interview with RJ saying that Demandred loved to snuggle by impressive bosoms

[KefkaPalazzo]

Well, THAT certainly narrows it down to the entire male cast.

[Sid]

wait for it....

[Elend]

I fully approve of Olvendred.

 

[Olver_is_a_Forsaken]

Concerning the Olver incident, I'm calling that he is Demandred. :o

I'm calling that he is Asmodean and that the Dark One was deceiving Demandred at the beginning of LOC.

 

On a more serious note, I like the theory that Olver kills someone. Somebody powerful or it wouldn't be hilarious.

[Elend]

TBH, Olver killing Demandred would actually be pretty sweet to see.

 

I mean, who wouldn't want Demandred to finally realize he's never going to be as good as Lews Therin and, in despair, takes his own life?

[Barid Bel Medar]

TBH, Olver killing Demandred would actually be pretty sweet to see.

 

I mean, who wouldn't want Demandred to finally realize he's never going to be as good as Lews Therin and, in despair, takes his own life?

 

hahaha. good one.

 

I also want Olver to kill someone hardcore. He cannot "kill" Demandred for obvioous reasons but one of the other Forsaken would do.

 

A really great Senario would be Olver killing Graendal. It would just be poetry. She out-maneuvers Rand and co. her fellow Chosen and pretty much everyone else. SO she dies by thhe hand of some little kid who is ugly and has virtually no power/status (the two things Graendal like in her "pets")