A question about the Dark One's prison......

[Dagon Thyne]

I read somewhere that when the bore was drill the prison had been intact.  Does that mean that the AoL was the first time his prison has been weakened?  Or did the people of past turnings have the power to actually mend the prison itself...

 

I mean, there had to have been darkfriends in the past turnings, so We know that the DO had been able to touch the world. 

[Nae Bliss]

They did accually have the power to mend it back,this is because the wheel repeats itself. So in turn the 'dragon' before LTT sealed the bore, and the one before that skrewed up and tore it open. And back and forth like that forever before, and is destined to keep on like that until the wheel unravels.

[Dagon Thyne]

They did accually have the power to mend it back,this is because the wheel repeats itself. So in turn the 'dragon' before LTT sealed the bore, and the one before that skrewed up and tore it open. And back and forth like that forever before, and is destined to keep on like that until the wheel unravels.

 

I don't mean the seals.....according to RJ the drilling of the bore Shattered the DO's prison...and it was whole before the bore was drilled...and it was Lanfear who drilled the bore not the chosenone before LTT. 

[Ewandrina]

It is a little confusing I was always unsure of this. From how I have read the books I believe that it is the first time anyone has managed to bore into the DO prison. If it happened before why wouldnt the male or female sourse have been tainted long before as I am sure they would have tried to close it again.

 

I think that the *chosen* are some of the strongest followers the DO has ever had so this is why it has not happened before this point. (I might be wrong but Im just guessing)

[Duskfire]

It is a little confusing I was always unsure of this. From how I have read the books I believe that it is the first time anyone has managed to bore into the DO prison. If it happened before why wouldnt the male or female sourse have been tainted long before as I am sure they would have tried to close it again.

 

I think that the *chosen* are some of the strongest followers the DO has ever had so this is why it has not happened before this point. (I might be wrong but Im just guessing)

 

It has happened, in the previous turning of the Wheel. In that turning Saidar may have been tainted instead, or maybe none were tainted at all. In any case, it was the first time his prison had been found in that particular turning. The previous attempt would have been lost to time; we're talking potentially hundreds of thousands of years (or more) spread over chaos and war and whatnot; any potential information would be lost except for what manages to survive as stories, survives that exaggerate and expand and become more then what they were.

[thevillagecouncil]

Think of it this way, The dark one's bore is like a bowl holding water. It was drilled into and now all the water is leaking out. The male aes sedai were all like, "dude, we need to fix this!" but the female aes sedai didn't want to get wet. So they stuck some duct tape on it, stopping the leak, but the male aes sedai got their hands wet. Eventually the water made the duct tape weaken its grip on the bowl and it started peeling back. Rand wants to just stick some MIGHTY PUTTY on the hole, but Herid fel's all like, "yo there's duct tape in the way." So Rand has to take the tape off and put some MIGHTY PUTTY in to stop the leak (without getting his hands wet).

 

On the next turning of the wheel in the next AoL, some aes sedai is looking at the bowl and is like, "yo there's mighty putty in this bowl. wonder wutz behind it lol."

 

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[Jon Paul]

Think of it this way, The dark one's bore is like a bowl holding water. It was drilled into and now all the water is leaking out. The male aes sedai were all like, "dude, we need to fix this!" but the female aes sedai didn't want to get wet. So they stuck some duct tape on it, stopping the leak, but the male aes sedai got their hands wet. Eventually the water made the duct tape weaken its grip on the bowl and it started peeling back. Rand wants to just stick some MIGHTY PUTTY on the hole, but Herid fel's all like, "yo there's duct tape in the way." So Rand has to take the tape off and put some MIGHTY PUTTY in to stop the leak (without getting his hands wet).

 

On the next turning of the wheel in the next AoL, some aes sedai is looking at the bowl and is like, "yo there's mighty putty in this bowl. wonder wutz behind it lol."

 

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Funny stuff ;D!

 

But this isn't the case.  When Lanfear and her partner drilled the bore, they drilled into a complete prison.  They didn't drill a patch through a patch.  Herid Fel spoke about this.  Lews Therin ranted about it.  He spoke about how in his pride he thought that man could match the Creator.  Fix what they broke.

 

Patches wont work as the structural integrity of the Prison its self is damaged.  They need a new prison.

[Atan Lodorn]

It is hard to fathom how you can keep creating new prisons, this battle has been going on for infinite turnings of the wheel, it is not impossible that the bore has been drilled into before and repaired.  

 

I think what is happening now has happened before and Rand will reseal it so as to seal the DO away again, it will probably take a culmination of channelling and 'singing' to restore balance, that is why i feel the 'song' has been made a part of the story especially with Rand's Rhuidean visit.

 

I think that Mat needs to look at the 'book' Elayne has, to see if he can find the section that has 'songs' in it to see what you do, because it had a fiction and non fiction sections in it. ;D

 

BTW I do like the mighty putty analogy  but you need to use the 'organic' stuff to make the DO prison appear to have been resealed naturally. :P

[OptimusPrime]

Right look at it like this. The Creator put a shield on the Dark One in the beginning. Then Lanfear discoversit, that theres a new Power inside, feels "something" that is being blocked by this wierd shield thing. She drills into it. The Dark Ones prison now resembles Asmodeans shield put on him by Lanfear; he can do some stuff to the Pattern but not anywhere near his full power level. Lews Therin comes along and, instead of removing the old shield on the Dark One, he puts a patch on the old one and uses seven seals to focus it; much like when Rand is in the box feeling for those hard points that represent the shield being tied off, and not maintained by all of the Aes Sedai.

 

The Seals, being made of cuendillar which is vulnerable to the True Power (Brandon said that in an interview) are weakening, the hard points on the shield are wearing off, the shield is dossolving. What Rand has to do is clear the rubble (cheers Herid) and get rid of the old shield entirely, in order to make a new one. Otherwise the natural conintuing of the Wheel becomes flawed in itself, because the loop that is time missed an important bit.

[Dagon Thyne]

It is a little confusing I was always unsure of this. From how I have read the books I believe that it is the first time anyone has managed to bore into the DO prison. If it happened before why wouldnt the male or female sourse have been tainted long before as I am sure they would have tried to close it again.

 

I think that the *chosen* are some of the strongest followers the DO has ever had so this is why it has not happened before this point. (I might be wrong but Im just guessing)

 

It has happened, in the previous turning of the Wheel. In that turning Saidar may have been tainted instead, or maybe none were tainted at all. In any case, it was the first time his prison had been found in that particular turning. The previous attempt would have been lost to time; we're talking potentially hundreds of thousands of years (or more) spread over chaos and war and whatnot; any potential information would be lost except for what manages to survive as stories, survives that exaggerate and expand and become more then what they were.

 

What I'm saying is that the prison was completely intact according to information that RJ approved as true....that means either people had the power to actually mend the prison itseld in the last turning, or the creator just mends it to keep the DO inside after his forces were defeated.in that turning.

[Mardy]

It is a little confusing I was always unsure of this. From how I have read the books I believe that it is the first time anyone has managed to bore into the DO prison. If it happened before why wouldnt the male or female sourse have been tainted long before as I am sure they would have tried to close it again.

 

I think that the *chosen* are some of the strongest followers the DO has ever had so this is why it has not happened before this point. (I might be wrong but Im just guessing)

 

It has happened, in the previous turning of the Wheel. In that turning Saidar may have been tainted instead, or maybe none were tainted at all. In any case, it was the first time his prison had been found in that particular turning. The previous attempt would have been lost to time; we're talking potentially hundreds of thousands of years (or more) spread over chaos and war and whatnot; any potential information would be lost except for what manages to survive as stories, survives that exaggerate and expand and become more then what they were.

 

What I'm saying is that the prison was completely intact according to information that RJ approved as true....that means either people had the power to actually mend the prison itseld in the last turning, or the creator just mends it to keep the DO inside after his forces were defeated.in that turning.

 

Yeah thats right i think. The way i look at it to give it some vague cronology

 

1st age - dunno what went on

 

2nd age - age of legends, close to the end of this Lanfear bored into the DO's prison and realeased that sucker (greedy bitch) LTT + forces of light battled in the war of power against DO + forces of dark, LTT made his little patch on the DO's prision backlash from that was the taint on saidin and the breaking

 

3rd age - current age of the protagonist (Rand and CO) LTT's patch has lasted most of this age but now its going to break. we know Rand is gonna break the seals and do 1 of 2 things either rebuild the prision from scratch (pretty unlikly imo) or hes gonna (this is a bit of speculation on my part but meh) use the true power to seal the bore seamlessly so it appears it was never broken or something to that effect. everyones happy no more DO for the time being

 

4th age - dunno what went on

5th age - dunno what went on

6th age - you get the idea

7th age - ^

 

The wheel of time turns and we start back at the 1st age then when we get back to age 2 the DO's prison appears seamless so the prison was intact again when Lanfear or whatever her name is in that next age bores the hole again.

[jemron]

Don't forget, there was a "thinness" in the prison where the Bore was drilled.  Maybe this is representational of the more "permanent" fix that was done in a previous age.  Permanent, but a "fixe" nonetheless.

 

Either that or, as you mentioned, the Creator himself must be willing to lend a hand and re-create a brand new prison each time this happens.

 

I believe that the biggest misunderstanding of all the current people living in the 3rd Age is that the Creator doesn't intervene.

 

If that were true, how would they even know that a Creator exists/existed?  He would've been "long forgotten" if the only time he was ever involved was at the "moment of creation."

 

He intervenes.  He spoke to Rand at the end of tEotW and he will be involved somehow in the end of the series.  Of this I am sure.