Loony Theory: Mesaana's Good

[Matrim DeLaneous]

And yet Sammael actively disobeys official commands. Lanfear offers to use the Choedan Kal with Rand against the Dark One--and by her thoughts in Winter's Heart, was sincere. Moghedian betrays AoL weaves for months before the Shadow intervenes, and that's as likely because BA reported the new slew of AoL weaves and Moridin went "Say what?"

 

Besides that same quote states "that this makes Verin all the more remarkable." It is comparing these losses of liberty to Verin. Verin mannaged it, and as such, by direct inference, so could a Marked Chosen.

 

Can't say that their deceptions went unnoticed:

 

Sammael - Dead

Lanfear - Dead / Transmigrated / mind-trapped

Moghedian - Humiliated / mind-trapped

 

Also, the Forsaken bond is different from the Chosen Mark, and both are different from the basic oath of a darkfriend or BA.  The Forsaken have given their souls to the DO.  They've been given immortality.  I just think there's a deeper / not completely understood bond there that's different than the Verin bond or a simple Darkfriend / Black Ajah oath.

[Ala Rubra]

 They've been given immortality.

 

Have they, really? That's the DO's promise, but none of them have lived long enough to test that point. Aginor and Bathamael certainly didn't look so hot after being released from the Bore.

 

Unless the DO just meant that he'd keep sticking them in new bodies, which would probably not be what someone like Lanfear would have had in mind.

[Nightstrike]

He's not free yet. It might have been in his ability to do so, but he won't. After being freed...

[aunt_pol]

God bless you, Luckers, you know you're cracked entirely... :P

[ravenfier]

know i shouldn't say this but has some one been reading HP recently- theory sounds to much like the snape thing in book 7, lol. hey i can post now.... well for the next 2 week before i go back to work.

[Luckers]

Can't say that their deceptions went unnoticed:

 

Sammael - Dead

Lanfear - Dead / Transmigrated / mind-trapped

Moghedian - Humiliated / mind-trapped

 

Yes, but they were noticed--Sammael tracked by Moridin and Shadar Haren, Lanfear rather spectacularily went up at the docks thus revealing herself, and Moghedian was in captivity for months before the Shadow acted. Had Sammael or Lanfear suddenly disapeared for no reason and returned wearing a cour'souvra, or Moghedian been freed on her second day, I might believe that the Dark One knew the Chosen's thoughts--but they were uncovered naturally.

 

Also, the Forsaken bond is different from the Chosen Mark, and both are different from the basic oath of a darkfriend or BA.  The Forsaken have given their souls to the DO.  They've been given immortality.  I just think there's a deeper / not completely understood bond there that's different than the Verin bond or a simple Darkfriend / Black Ajah oath.

 

The Forsaken are not yet immortal. RJ confirmed this. Additionally, Mark or bond--and I'm not as sure as you that they are seperate--neither one indicates the Dark One can know their thoughts or intentions.

 

 

[MikeRiley]

We are told he doesn't know. It's in the Forsaken meeting when they learn of Rand's intention to cleanse Saidin. The women take jabs at the men because the Dark One doesn't trust anybody and with the taint removed he might believe they would betray him.

[mikael]

Mesaana switching sides wouldnt necessarily mean that she had seen the wrong in her ways and wanted to do good. Id say that it would be much more likely for her to not wanting to enter nirvana just yet and do what she could to thwart the DO because of that, also, the raping may have made her upset.

 

Anyway, this is 1/100.

[StefanR]

Sounds like something Terez would come up with.

 

Would be cool if it actually happened, I just find it very unlikely. Especially given the parallels of Verin/Mesanna both being researcher/browns. You'd think RJ would have made it more varied so it was harder to predict

[bobothebarbarian]

If the accounts of what she did with children in the AoL are true then I think she's perhaps too monstrous to consider she might be 'good'.  So if she really was good then I think her schools would've had to been something a ruse or cover.  Children seem to be invisible to just about all the other forsaken or even AS for that matter.  I wonder if she might have laid the foundations for some secret society or organization that has endured from that time in the AoL to the present.

I wouldn't say children are invisible to all the other forsaken

Aginor held no field commands and never served as a

governor. He did have complete authority, however, to obtain material for his experiments. It has been estimated that in excess of ten thousand men, women, and children were taken away every day from the very beginning of the War of Power to its end, and this number may have been more than doubled during the last five years of the war.

[Luckers]

Sounds like something Terez would come up with.

 

Would be cool if it actually happened, I just find it very unlikely. Especially given the parallels of Verin/Mesanna both being researcher/browns. You'd think RJ would have made it more varied so it was harder to predict

 

Nah, Terez would cite ten thousand circumstantially related quotes, and declare it proven fact so strong none could dispute it except the deluded.

[StefanR]

Hahahaha