Shadow over Fiddlesmouth Game Thread [GAME OVER, TOWN WINS]

[Tigraine]

I have always thought that going by where a person votes to determine scum is ridiculous.  Some people just don't get online a whole lot to be able to pick where their vote lands. 

 

However, I have heard quite a few people think that it is a good strategy, veterans included.  So for someone newer to the game to think so as well, I don't think that is so ridiculous.

[Verbal32]

Aemon, please allow me to enlighten you, as you apparently missed the entire point of my 2 sentence post.  Here - I'll even break it down in a patronizing manner just like you did:

 

I'm in agreement with Nae on this -

 

Not overly complicated.  I...uhh....agree with what Nae said.  Let me know if you'd like me to elaborate further on that one.

 

that looked like a post designed to say something constructive towards the game, without actually saying anything at all.

 

Main point here - your post said nothing at all, while trying to appear as if it did.  In other words, you were wearing your Captain Obvious cape, there.  ;)

 

AND trying to toss some suspicion on everybody on Al's lynch.

 

You tried to make everybody on Al's wagon suspicious, by stating that the mafia could have been somewhere in the middle....or perhaps even at the end.  But then you say "I don't know about that".  Ok, fair enough.  But then you support your vote on Quibby by saying he's a middle-voter.

 

TRANSLATION:  you are either contradicting yourself, or just posting fluff disguised as theorizing.

 

Hmm.

 

Hmm.

 

 

 

Bottom line:  you fully expected criticism (you said that, btw) but when Nae does exactly that, you respond with the steaming pile otherwise known as reply #524.

[aemonkristen]

I don't know how you thought that was a reply to your post in any way shape or form. I never contradicted myself. I said I didn;t know who the scum is and I would vote for the same person I voted on day one. I also stated he is a middle voter. I have seen you use the same technique in other games, so don't try to criticize me on it. I said I expected people to question me. I did not say that I expected a pointless attack for mentioning a theory to which I blatantly stated I did not adhere. I believe that your main purpose here, Verbal just to try too soy dissension and perhaps to throw suspicion on me. I was not trying to throw suspicion on everybody on Al Jenn's bandwagon. I really do not think you are so naive as to think that everyone on his bandwagon is innocent. All I did was, as you so eloquently said, state the obvious in an attemmpt to get a cponversation going. Unfortunately you and Nae seem to be incapable of conversation and require a team effort to attack an innocent post stating an opinion. Amazing how much that reveals about both of you.

[Verbal32]

Yeah, we just figured we'd blantantly reveal ourselves as a team by posting one after the other against your post.  I'm surprised you noticed that....I thought we might be able to sneak that one by everybody.

 

2 points:

 

1.  I'm more criticizing the post that didn't really say anything.  Alys wanted conversation, not filler.  Personally, I don't like too much conversation during night phases, but everyone has their own opinion on that.

 

2.  See point #1.

[DPR]

Looks like I'm going to have to break this down, and I'll even hold your hand like a small child:

 

Exhibit A: If you start talking smack about how you never lie, make all sorts of mysterious remarks and then contradict yourself, your sweet behind is going to hang. And, that's just as well for being a distraction to the town. We'll take our information with a side peace and quiet, and be better off for it.

 

Exhibit B: Shedding big 'ol crocodile tears for the deceased is so common a cover for the mafia, it's a cliche'.  Don't cry for the dead, amigos, try to help the living...

 

Exhibit C: Casing your own post is pretty much as effective as voting for yourself, and it's scummier than the inside of the toilet tank in a gas station bathroom. File that one under: MAFIA FAIL.

 

[aemonkristen]

I was wondering when you were going to pop your head up. There is a difference between casing your post and explaining yourself (I'm sure the subtle distinction is lost on you, but maybe you can get someone else to help you out). Nuff said.

[Verbal32]

Heh....good luck with that one, Aemon.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Call it whatever you want Aemon.  I'm just frankly sick of the "theres scum on the bandwagon" crap that's posted in every game.  No kidding there is scum on the bandwagon.

 

Yes I read your post.  You asked where the scum might be on the bandwagon and I stated that I don't think you can tell that based on where they vote.  I then gave my reasons for thinking that.  I have been first, middle, last on votes as scum and as innocent.  I don't think you can determine that DPR, Quibby, and Barm must be scum because of where they voted. ::)

 

You then said that you are voting for Quibby for no real reason.. just because you decided to go after him again even though he's not particularly scummy to you.

 

 

EDIT

 

Verb must have a sense of when and where I'm going to post

You then said that seems scummy OF you to do and that people will question it.  When I came back with questioning it saying theres no real way to tell WHERE on the vote scum might be you start jumping on me.  :-* 

 

Not so much an "i dont have a clue" post, Aemon... more like a "I'm voting for someone I DONT really think is scum and jumping down on the first person to question me" post.

 

My "overly strong" reaction is to the pointless post you did and your announcing that you are voting for someone you don't think is scummy.. "just because" and I was pointing out how that theory is silly to me. (about where the scum might be on a vote count)

 

I frankly smell a gambit in the works.  :D

 

Pookie, Lia, Thorum, or Quibby are the most likely IMO of being scum on AJ's bandwagon. I find anywhere between and including the third to sixth spots on a lynch to be the scummiest.

[Thorum]

 

I agree with this finding.

 

Also: I think the latter spots on a bandwagon are more likely NOT to be maffia

[DPR]

I was wondering when you were going to pop your head up. There is a difference between casing your post and explaining yourself (I'm sure the subtle distinction is lost on you, but maybe you can get someone else to help you out). Nuff said.

 

Explaining Yourself: This may be an indication of mild panic or annoyance, commonly performed by players who have tried to pull off a whopper and have been called on it. Explaining Yourself is rated as a Level 1 response  and is usually followed by a Level 2 responses such as bolding text, useless backpeddling and denial. In rare cases, a player will go directly to a Level 3 response:

 

Casing Your Own Post: Casing your own post is reserved exclusively for players who have just realized that they are in the deep doo-doo, and succumb to panic driven responses.

 

See, I can be subtle.  ;D

[aemonkristen]

You're funny...but looks aren't everything.  ;D

[DPR]

 

Oh boy...

[Quibby]

Lay off the bad jokes.  They're mine!

 

Let's be honest, folks.  A lot of folks either read the way that Al presented himself as scum, or were swayed by the arguments of others.  Mafia know that.  I'm also pretty sure they know the "find all the bad guys in the bandwagon" trick.  With 14 votes that went other places besides to Al, it's probably more likely that there's only one or two Mafia in the bandwagon itself.  Witch-hunting in the bandwagon will probably do more harm than good.

 

That being said, I think we can all assume that I'm with Nae on this one completely; the "he was in the front/middle/back of the bandwagon" argument doesn't carry much water with me.  If you're going to vote for me, please do me the courtesy of voting for me because you think I'm scum, not because of where I fall in the bandwagon.

 

Speaking of the Bandwagon Theory, if you're going by that, go by the proper center.  We have 3 unaccounted-for votes, so the center should be 3 forward.

[Naeann]

Aemon.. I ask that you stop the personal attacks on anyone who goes against your theory.    I said my opinion is the witch hunt on the bandwagoners is a pointless play and stated why I think so.  It looks to me like you are a brand new player blatantly attacking the seasoned players in the game as if you are the be all end all source of knowledge on the game.  Ask Pete what I think of the god theory in mafia.

 

I can be a smartass too... lemme break up my post for you too since you seem to be ignoring your own advice. (actually reading others posts)

 

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Three to six are usually where I look at for possible mafioso.

 

Thorum, and yourself fell into that category, and I got two separate and very different reactions.

 

Thorum agrees with me, and from your post Quibby, you agree with looking from the third person forward, but you don't want people to look at you. Sounds a little contradictory.

[Quibby]

No, I was addressing Aemon's assumption that I was in the middle of the votes.  By the votes listed, I am, but there were 13 votes needed to get the lynch.  Technically, the middle for that is about three places in front of me.  What I was saying was that, if he's looking to play Mafia in the Middle, he's counting wrong.

[Hybrid]

I'm pretty much in agreement with Nae and Verbal on this one.  It's not so much where someone votes, it's the reasoning.

For example

Person 1: I'm going to vote for Al Jenn because he did this, this, and this, which are indications of scummy behavior.

Person 2: I'm not going to vote for Al Jenn yet.

Al Jenn: I'm not anti-town.

Person 2: Wow.  Al Jenn is such a scumbag.  Vote Al Jenn.

 

I'd be more suspicious of Person 2 than Person 1, even if Person 1 voted third on every single bandwagon in the entire game.

 

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Three to six are usually where I look at for possible mafioso.

 

A lot of people seem to think the peopkle more toward the middle are the likely bad guys with maybe one more at the end to put in the hammer. I don't kniow about that. Day 1 being Day 1, I think it's just as likely that a townie put the hammer on Al.

 

Statements like these strike me as fairly scummy, because it sounds like you guys want us to NOT look at some of the other players.  Especially Aemon's thing about the townie putting the last vote on Al.

[Naeann]

Ok here goes...

 

 

Call it whatever you want Aemon.  I'm just frankly sick of the "theres scum on the bandwagon" crap that's posted in every game.  No kidding there is scum on the bandwagon.

 

You called it "a tirade" and asked if I even read your post.(yup)  I stated that people do this in alot of games and I think it's pointless. (Stating the obvious-beating a dead horse)

 

Yes I read your post.  You asked where the scum might be on the bandwagon and I stated that I don't think you can tell that based on where they vote.

 

*see my first point*

 

  I then gave my reasons for thinking that.  I have been first, middle, last on votes as scum and as innocent.  I don't think you can determine that DPR, Quibby, and Barm must be scum because of where they voted. ::)

 

Again, and again for Pete, I digress... I don't vote any particular place just because I'm innocent or mafia.  To me that theory does not make any sense what so ever because each game is different with different happenings, scenerioes, etc... to say that the 4th or 6th person is generally always scum is ridiculous.  I urge you to go evaluate 5 games for me and study the votes on each game day of those 5 games and come back to me with the statistics showing that those are more than half the time scum on the 4th thru 6th voters and I will be more apt to believe it.

 

You then said that you are voting for Quibby for no real reason.. just because you decided to go after him again even though he's not particularly scummy to you.

 

1. It's really risky to loudly broadcast your plans for votes and stuff at night in the game.  Either Quibby is scum and his team takes you out or he's innocent and the mafia team takes you out to frame him... or they could take Quibby out to frame you.  It's best just to keep mum about your plans when it's night.

 

2. You boldy state that you are voting for someone for no real reason.  Day one that is common.  Day two we have more info to go on and you should wait for that info before just deciding to doggedly stay at your day one random vote.  Didn't you originally vote for him cause he thought you were female?

 

You then said that seems scummy OF you to do and that people will question it.  When I came back with questioning it saying theres no real way to tell WHERE on the vote scum might be you start jumping on me.  :-*

 

Ok so I rephrased what you said here... you said people would question you.. I added that it makes you look scummy because, well, it does.  Staying over several days on a vote for someone when the original reason is he thought you were female (I thought so too when I first saw your name.. it says KRISTEN!)  You claim I'm over reacting and attacking you with it.. I say it was a shady thing to say and you are damn right I'm gonna question it.

 

Not so much an "i dont have a clue" post, Aemon... more like a "I'm voting for someone I DONT really think is scum and jumping down on the first person to question me" post.

 

This.(Kivam cracks me up when he says that)  Tell me I'm wrong?  You are jumping all over anyone who saw your post as scummy.

 

My "overly strong" reaction is to the pointless post you did and your announcing that you are voting for someone you don't think is scummy.. "just because" and I was pointing out how that theory is silly to me. (about where the scum might be on a vote count)

 

 

It's pointless because it's captain obvious because it's stating stuff that everyone knows because it's beating the "mafia is in the bandwagon" dead horse because it's said in every damned game.  And again... you announced you are voting someone you don't really think is scum just because you voted for him day one for thinking you were a female.  (I believe he apologized?)

 

 

[Naeann]

Now going back to read other stuff... how is this not a conversation/discussion?  What did you expect to happen from that post?  Us all to sip tea and discuss that one person thinks it must be the 3rd voter and this person says nay, it must be the 6th.. everyone knows that.  You baffle and confuse me and I'm frankly getting tired of the insults to anyone who has a different view point than you.

[Pookie]

I'm not a fan of the mafia in the middle idea, but I'll admit to having used position in the vote in conjunction with other evidence to help me hunt scum.  I won't vote for someone just because they were in the middle.  :P

 

Quibby, the idea of the middle moving up 3 positions because of the early lynch doesn't fly.  The day end took a number of people by surprise, so it's my opinion that the mafia wouldn't have known day was going to end a few votes early.  The only way moving the middle would work is if the middle knew they were already a few votes into the lynch.

 

My opinion on the day close before a full lynch vote was reached is that either someone used their role or their relic to end day, not three invisible votes being cast on Al Jenn.  If that is the case, either one player or one mafia team would have known about it.  I think Al Jenn was lynched because he had the most votes when the power was used, not because he had somehow reached a majority vote.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I think that the third or fourth person starts a bandwagon,and the fifth and sixth can jump on without reason

[aemonkristen]

Naeann, I honestly don't understand why you're getting all bent out of shape about this. I have been very careful to not make personal attacks, as I have been called down for that before. If you don't agree with my reasons for voting, fine. Vote the way you want. I do thank you for the advice about what to say at night. As I'm sure you know, I do not have much experience in the game. I do think you are going to extremes by saying that I am attacking anyone who has a different opinion than me and that I am making personal attacks. That is not correct at all. I defended my point. I kept my comments to the posts and not the poster (well, I did say that Wes is funny looking) and have stayed calm the entire time. I agree that it probably look patronizing and condescending to break down my post sentence by sentence, but I honestly thought you had not understood what I was trying to say and I have had people call me down for NOT quoting chapter and verse when I try to make my point. And I still think you are over reacting to what was a simple post to get peole talking. Guess it worked. We now have a number of people posting and debating. Even though it is mostly about the method you seem to despise.

[DPR]

 

:P Bandwagon vote speculation is a complete waste of time.

 

Pookie just offered an important theory that legitimate thought needs to be given to - the relics will beone of the keys to the game and I agree with her (please tell me its a her...) about a relic being used to end the day. Alys and I had already begun to discuss this, but haven't connected again to hash it out.

 

So let's drop the vote-placement thing - any decent player can be anywhere they want on a lynch. If for some reason you don't believe me, let me know.  ;)

 

 

[aemonkristen]

I just want to clarify that Quibby never mistook my gender. I voted for him because he has a funny name.  ;D

[Naeann]

Ok Pete... so you are Joe Town.  Bob is acting scummy.  Jill calls him out on it with a vote.  Sue agrees with Jill and votes him too.  Tony comes along and reads the game thread... he had been at work.  He adds his own reasonings for thinking Bob is scummy and lays a vote on him too.  Bill comes in and says he had meant to vote for Bob before leaving for work but the darn red line came up saying new posts and he didn't see it cause he hit post and ran out the door that morning.  He states his stuff and votes for bob too.

 

So thats:  Bob: Jill, Sue, Tony, Bill

 

Jerry, Mary, Jack, and you are left.  9 players in the game.  Jack and Mary think you, Joe, are mafia so they vote you and ignore the "bandwagon" on Bob.  You aren't gonna vote for yourself but Bob is l-1. Bob votes for you cause he doesn't want to be lynched and Jerry is a no vote and there are 2 mafia in the game.

Which two are mafia?