[Red's Stnd Mafia] Saw Mafia - GAME OVER CONGRADS MAFIA!!

[Red2111]

Deadline

Monday Febuary 22, 2010 @ 8pm EST;  12 alive, 7 to lynch

 

[glow=grey,2,300]Clock: 11:37:13[/glow]

 

Vote Count

DPR(3): Pandy, Torrie, Aust

Torrie(1): Jeran

Jeran(1): Pete

Pandy(1): Verbal

Torrie(1): Ed

 

No Vote(5): Tigs, DPR, Nae, Piano, aemonkristen

 

[ed2funy]

Yo....Torrie has two votes. :P

:D

 

Unless...she is a split personality! :o

[Naeann]

Like Verbal.. I think said... it's big game hunting.  Dpr is by far the most seasoned experienced player in the game.  Verb, Pandy and I come second to that as far as seasoned.

 

Dpr is right.  Everyone spams it up on day one.  It's reading in between the lines of the spamming and such that you can get ANYTHING out of day one.  That doesn't make him suspicious to me really and I see where he's going with asking you with votes on him to REALLY explain your reasonings.

 

Aust .. I get that you haven't been playing long and this is DPR's first game hes played in a bit.. but he's one of the legends of mafia.  I highly doubt Pandy's attempts at putting pressure on DPR will do anything but provoke him.  Wave a steak in front of the big kitty and he will come play.

 

I don't like big game hunting.  It's unfair to the big gamers. :P  What we need to do is establish Dpr's innocence or not.  If he is innocent he's a good one to keep in the game.

 

That being said... my method... new or otherwise... is to take out the stinking lurkers who sign up and then barely post.  I like to keep the active ones around so the game doesn't majorly suck later on.

[Aust]

Ah well, good points by all. I clarify though - I really was only kidding about the spam thing! Probably I am naive too, in thinking I might be able to interpret much lol! If he is on our side, he'll be a prime target from the mafia as well, as I suspect they would probably do some 'big game hunting' too. I think both sides are probably just trying to figure out what the biggest threats are.

 

Ed, why did you vote for Torrie?

 

Oh and that is a good thought Nae, about the lurkers.

 

[DPR]

It's good the Aust has asked ed why he voted for Torrie - the same reasoning applies as when I asked why he voted for me.

 

I'm not 100% sold on Aust's reasoning - but it's not enough to damn him. He'll bear watching.

 

Can we all agree that the only way to prove one's innocence is to be viewed by the finder? That's why I don't go on and on with claims to be innocent or otherwise - it's all just talk until you are viewed or you are dead.

 

Calling out lurkers is always a good idea as it collects information from people that wouldn't give it otherwise, thus its usually unrehearsed. On the flip side, if someone is quiet but gets rattled and comes out with well rehearsed statement, you are usually on to something.

 

I think everyone can also agree that the best move for the town is to get everyone talking - the more game related posts a player makes, the more we have to go on with cases and the more chances there are to catch mafia in a lie.

 

Big Game Hunting is especially productive for mafia - they wipe out the most dangerous players first, and almost always based on reasons rooted in WIFOM and metagaming.

 

If anyone has a different opinion, throw it out there.

 

And I'm still waiting for answers from Torrie, and especially Pandy.

[Tigraine]

I think that there seems to be a bit much being read into everyone's day 1 votes. Anybody that says day 1 isn't random voting is lying and eventually everybody does bandwagon.  That's why in DPR's game, day 1, lasted how many pages?  Was it in the 60's or 80's?  I'm not saying that just because Day 1 is always a random bandwagon that we should all jump on this one, I'm just saying that I'm not too sure if even the mafia is stupid enough for all of them to be the first votes on a bandwagon cause they know it will point to them when this person comes out innocent and although we may be able to gather a small bit of information from the first few voters, it won't be a mountain of evidence to prove anybody's guilt!

[ed2funy]

Aust, I already explained that you and her I was most suspicious of. Pandy is hard to get a read on.

Since your game is the first time I had heard of Big game Hunting, I don't really think it is bad, but it isn't all that good either.

 

No one let's me take my nap. :(

[dapianoplay3r]

I have just woken up and found theories flying everywhere. One think that struck me as odd was ed. Dude you vote for DPR and start chucking ideas around but as soon as he started chucking some back you changed votes to a random day 1 vote again. I just think thats strange so im [glow=red,2,300]voting ed[/glow] but as we get closer to the dead line i thnk i will change so we get a lynch

[ed2funy]

Player...what ideas? o_0

 

I have made like....4 or 5 posts in total before he asked for my reasons.

[dapianoplay3r]

Just random bits and pieces justifying your vote. Ill just read through again. I still havent had my morning coffee. How long do we have til deadline?

[ed2funy]

About two days....I think

 

 

 

Red...I don't get the clock. :(

Is that 11 hours? It can't be days?

 

[DPR]

 

I think that there seems to be a bit much being read into everyone's day 1 votes. Anybody that says day 1 isn't random voting is lying and eventually everybody does bandwagon.  That's why in DPR's game, day 1, lasted how many pages?  Was it in the 60's or 80's?  I'm not saying that just because Day 1 is always a random bandwagon that we should all jump on this one, I'm just saying that I'm not too sure if even the mafia is stupid enough for all of them to be the first votes on a bandwagon cause they know it will point to them when this person comes out innocent and although we may be able to gather a small bit of information from the first few voters, it won't be a mountain of evidence to prove anybody's guilt!

 

Never pass up a chance to generate information - especially on day one when so many relationships are being made.

 

And, players who come out and talk about their reasons for voting are actually creating a record of themselves that will help the town. If you have good reasons to vote for players on the first two days, but wig out on the third, we got ya, you know?

 

Day 1 is not about using evidence - it's about starting to create it - and it's never a waste to do that. Anyone who shrugs at Day 1 and says "Oh, it's always random and we'll probably just lose a townie" is not using the day to the towns advantage - which is only helping the mafia.

 

Alternatively, we could all agree to play a "no excuses" game, and make a point to explain our votes and reasons for doing things, and we'll suss out the scum soon enough.

 

For instance, I have not voted yet. I have some suspicions starting to build up, but I also know that most of them will not pan out. Statistically, scum will lay low on Day 1 because the more time they can let pass before they have to really play, the greater their chances are of making it to the end undetected.

 

I also like to try and make things as clear as possible, and take issue with players who promote "murky" reasoning, "feelings" about other players, want everyone to reveal for no particular reason, etc. Just keep things straight, and you'll be amazed how much nonsense you can avoid.

 

Okay, I'm done. Nae's right, I haven't played much lately, and evidently, my soap box missed me...

[Tigraine]

I wasn't saying that we couldn't get any information or that we shouldn't try!  I am basically agreeing with you on the fact that scum will lay low, therefore to think that they would lead a lynch this early on, I think, is thinking in the wrong direction.  If we get in our mind that these first 3 or 4 people that are voting on Day 1 are scum then that will let the mafia have quite a big hiding spot.

[DPR]

 

Now that's interesting.

 

My accusation, if you can call it that, was that you four seemed to be working together - everyone so far has agreed that there was no reason to vote for me outside of metagaming. And I agreed that that was typical Day 1 stuff - no big deal.

 

But then you come back and defend "these first 3 or 4 people", which includes you. The question is, why are you defending when no one is attacking?

 

Anyway, I'm noit going to go on and on, but it is one more little thing that goes into the evidence folder.

[Tigraine]

I didn't realize that I had voted for you! 

 

I love how I say that I agree with you and you say I am defending myself, that makes a lot of sense  :P

[ed2funy]

Tigs..stop yelling.

 

[Tigraine]

::)

[Naeann]

Ed... I no longer supplied your avatar... fix your siggy. :P

 

Ahh now there's the DPR I know and love and fear! ;D

[ed2funy]

Oops. I changed it the other night. Thanks for noticing that.

[aemonkristen]

I hear a lot of people saying that day 1 votes are random and that may be true to some extent, but if we vote with absolutely no reasoning behind it (even weak reasoning is better than no reasoning), we run a much higher risk of lynching an innocent than a mafia. Case in point, the aiel mafia game that just started. Everyone started to bandwagon player (I admit that I was the first to vote for him) and at the end of day 1 we had lynched the bodyguard. We all have to put a minimum of thought into our day 1 votes please. Even if it´s just the reasoning that #11 is a mafia number. Right, Pete? ´We should all be prepared to explain our vote when we place it. The people that can´t explain why they vote for someone will bear watching, in my opinion.

[dapianoplay3r]

At least you got a result in that game. I didnt actually get online in time to role reveal and save myself since it was a hammer vote but this isnt hammer so even if me get a majority the person can still defend themselver

[ed2funy]

Nae: I just realized your siggy wasn't in my rotation. It is all fixed. :D

 

[Naeann]

Thankies.

[cosmicpanda]

[glow=red,2,300]unvote, vote: Aust[/glow]

 

See where this goes. I have a gut feeling from him. I'll deadline vote if necessary, though.

[Aust]

I don't think a feeling is a very good reason  :p  Can you tell me why?