[Themed Mafia] Dead and Deader - Congratulations Town!

[craftyreader]

*randomly pokes back*

 

my night action was to sleep :P

[Tigraine]

I don't have a night action....stop poking me! ;)

[Anoxanmore]

*Pokes red in the belly*

 

She is fun to tickle :D

[Liathiana]

Modspeak: I think I'm allergic to deadlines. >.>

 

Anox, Dr. Ludwig, was torn limb from limb.

 

Day 5 has begun. It will end in 4ish days. 5 is needed for a majority lynch.

 

 

[Red2111]

is okay Lia, i understand :)

 

 

i think that we have a SK running around here.  if you guys look at the OP, Lia specifys the killing as a murder.

 

pandy was a nk, and mine, limi and darkhoofs only kill.

 

 

we find the SK and we should win the game.  any ideas on who it might be.  let me do a re-read and i'll come back with my thoughts.

[mcs0083]

ANNNN! :'(

[Red2111]

okay after my reread hers what i've come up with

 

Pookie you're town. 

 

 

Alanna, Tigs, Tyn, & Crafty you guys are slightly pinigng my radar.  i think if we have a SK, it's mostlikely in one of the lurker or posting to just get by.  Tyn i give you the benifit of the doubt because you've been lurkish in most games due to RL.  the rest of you i'm unsure about.  tigs you seem to post a moderate amount, just enough to keep under the radar and appear active.

 

 

Rose - moderate ping on my radar.  you're being just helpful enough to stay under the major radar, but away enough so noone gets a good read on you.  i'm unsure about you because this is my first game with you, but i don;t liek that i can't get a read on you.

 

MCS - something about you is pinging my radar heavily.  reading through, the pinging started on Day 1 and has only grown more intense.  i can't put my fingure on it, i think its more of a gut and playing style that has set off the ping.

 

 

since you ping my radar the heaviest [glow=red,2,300]MCS[/glow] unless you can give a good reason otherwise.

 

[Red2111]

also, masons normally travel in groups of 3 right?

 

so there are two people who can back one another and lower the choisces of who is our rouge player.  i'm not askign for a reveal by anymeans.  with 8 players still in the game it wont help limit our choices very much.  but if the game gets down to only 4 people, or even 3 then that would be the right time.

 

 

i'm wondering if there are lovers in here as well...  that woudl also help out for smoking out the SK.

[Pookie]

I was really surprised Wombat wasn't a mason, though I was certain he was innocent.  There's one other person I think I've pegged as a mason, but I won't reveal who.

 

Mason groups are often 3, but they can be 2.  My Seanchan mason group was just me and LZM.

[mcs0083]

I'm not mafia Red. That is the long and short of it. I'm not going to give you a big argument of why you shouldn't vote for me and all of that, but I'll say this. The town needs me.

[Red2111]

but see MCS, thats the point that you miss.  i'm not looking for scum anymore.  i no longer think, given the evidence set forth by the OP, that there is another mafia.

 

i'm looking for a Serial Killer, which is an anti-town role that has a kill each night.  their a solo-win character that is only in it for themselves.  their goal is to get the crowd down to just them and 1 other person, then they win the game.

 

there is a major difference between that character and the mafia.  you just went up higher on my radar my friend.

[Anoxanmore]

nnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

 

:(

[mcs0083]

but see MCS, thats the point that you miss.  i'm not looking for scum anymore.  i no longer think, given the evidence set forth by the OP, that there is another mafia.

 

i'm looking for a Serial Killer, which is an anti-town role that has a kill each night.  their a solo-win character that is only in it for themselves.  their goal is to get the crowd down to just them and 1 other person, then they win the game.

 

there is a major difference between that character and the mafia.  you just went up higher on my radar my friend.

 

And you think your petty theories make me something that I'm not? As I stated before, I am town, but I am not a vanilla townie. Now I'm sorry, but I just can't see how your gut feeling is getting you anywhere. This is mainly because I know it is wrong in this case. If you want another innocent to die, and a roled one at that, keep on going. That is all I have to say to you.

[Alanna]

I don't suspect MCS, Tynaal, or Crafty, and I have good reason not to.

 

Why do we know Pookie is innocent? Was there a reveal or something?

 

Anyhow, that leaves Rose, Red, and Tigs in my book. Rose has been pinging me for a while now, though nto really for any reason. I'm kind of getting suspicious of Tigs, now, too.

[Red2111]

we don't knwo pookie is innocent, i'm just saying that she's not pinging my radar.

 

i'm good with either a lynch on rose or mcs.  those two players are the two that are seeming most off to me.

 

 

for my list of suspicion in order of most suspecious

 

1 - MCS & Rose

2 - MCS & Rose

3 - Tigs

4 - Tyn

5 - Alanna

6 - Crafty

7 - Pookie

 

 

becuase Rose and MCS are basically tied for 1st & 2nd on my list, those are the two that i'm most willing to lynchor even lead a lynch on right now. 

 

becuase there are more posts by MCS than by ROse, its the only reason why i think he's a slight bit scummier than Rose.  BTW half reveals are a scum technique and only make me more firn in my vote for someone.

 

by scum i'm implying an anti town role in this case.

 

 

 

 

[Pookie]

People are guessing my innocence based on my posts.  They're right, but it kind of scares me too since it makes me wonder if they'll read me better when I'm not town.  :P  (Rey and Red saw too much in the QT for Rey's game!)

 

I need another read-through, but for now I am not looking at MCS, Alanna, or Crafty. I've suspected MCS in every game I've been in with him and he has yet to be scum (to my knowledge) so I think he's just one of the folks I find hard to read correctly.  *sigh*  If I'm trusting Alanna, I shouldn't look at Tynaal either.

 

So, Tigs, Rose, and Rey-Red.  Nothing pinged me at all about Rey, so I'm looking closer at Rose and Tigs.  I won't vote without a re-read, but if memory serves, it'll be a decision between someone trying to make things happen and someone following along.

[Tigraine]

I don't really understand why I would be pinging anyone's radar but whatever!  I think that Pookie tried going after me a day or two back for saying nothing more than getting my daily post in.  She claimed it was disrespectful so it made her suspicious....I think it was just a way to get something started, being disrespectful isn't a reason to think someone is scum, it's a reason to think they are disrespectful  Mcs, Red is right, half role-reveals look very scummy.  Either say nothing or say everything.  This late in the game it would do some good to know who everyone is and what their roles are. 

[mcs0083]

Well, sometimes half reveals ARE necessary depending on what your role is. Being scummy and doing what you HAVE to are two completely different things.

[craftyreader]

Poor Anox....

 

We still have a couple of days to vote.  Im going to reread through posts.

[Alanna]

Well, sometimes half reveals ARE necessary depending on what your role is. Being scummy and doing what you HAVE to are two completely different things.

 

Speaking as someone who totally hates half-reveals, I actually agree with this. There are some roles where revealing would totally render your role useless. I believe MCS, for now.

[Pookie]

First off

[glow=red,2,300]vote Tigs[/glow]

 

Lest anyone think I'm just gunning for her for no reason, here's my rationale:

 

Day 1 we have Pandy claiming Red and Tigs are scum.  No, Pandy's claim isn't enough to convince me.  Tigs leaving her vote on Pandy even after his role claim didn't convince me, since someone who'd just been wrongly accused might not change their vote.  Both make me wonder, but don't convince me.

 

Night 1 The lack of a second NK night 1 leads me to believe that either a) the healer blocked one of them or b) they targetted the same person.  We clearly saw Red's responsibility for the kill, so it's still possible that the healer saved herself and didn't know it, but I think it more likely that the mafia and SK targetted the same person. 

 

Day 2 and Night 2 nothing huge stuck out at me.  Her vote for Ed was semi-random, as were most other votes that day. Her multiple requests for a vote count were a little ping, but nothing major.  Limi died that night.  She had a random.org vote for Tigs day 1, but I wouldn't connect the kill to Tigs for that. 

 

Day 3 she joined the Red bandwagon.  I understand a desire to actually have a lynch after 2 days of random lynches, so her not having a reason to vote Red isn't really suspicious, even if she was the hammer with no rationale behind it.  :P  Night 3 Ed dies.  Why Ed?  It didn't seem to me like he did anything to stick himself out there.

 

Day 4 is where I really start to wonder.  The "day 1 all over again" comment that Wombat referenced did seem odd to me, but only a minor ping.  When Crafty votes, gets voted for by Rey, unvotes, and gets unvoted for by Rey, Tigs then says:

Well thanks Rey and Crafty....I thought I was gonna have a good reason to vote for somebody.

I thought at the time, "what does that mean?" She was going to vote for Crafty?  She was going to vote for Wombat?  (who Crafty had voted for)  She did end up voting for Wombat with the majority saying she wanted to avoid a modkill.  Once she had two votes on her, she decided to reveal.  In my opinion this is the single most damning piece of evidence against her and I totally missed it yesterday.  Her reveal:

All I can tell you is that I'm innocent!

The only role I have is that if I am targeted in a night kill then I can escape it one time.  That's it!

Why would a townie have that power?  It's a power very frequently given to SK's to balance the fact that they win on their own and have to take out everyone else. 

Wombat's lynched, Anox is NK'd and now we're up to...

 

Day 5.  Rolefishing.  :P

 

Something I couldn't really figure out how to put into the day/night stuff above, the big red flag to me on my read-through, was Tigs' night posting.  Tigs has posted every night, usually multiple times per night phase, and frequently anxious to see night over.  Even at the beginning of the game when there weren't delays in phases.  In all the games I've played with her, I haven't seen her fuss about night this much.  To me, it's a clear indication that she has a night action.  She claims she doesn't, but it sure looks like she does.

[Alanna]

Well, shoot. You've convinced me. [glow=red,2,300]Vote Tigs[/glow]. I remember seeing her reveal now and had totally forgotten about it til now. And that is something that an SK usually has to help them win and balance them out.

[mnwhiterose]

You know, every time I actively claim innocence, I get lynched. So, I do get suspicious when people claim innocence without a role. Tigs and MCS - without role name, you make me very suspicious.

 

And for the sake of bandwagoning - Going with [glow=red,2,300]Tigs[/glow] on this one. Yes. it is a bandwagon, but it also has reason - half reveals are so dangerous.

[Tigraine]

You know, every time I actively claim innocence, I get lynched. So, I do get suspicious when people claim innocence without a role. Tigs and MCS - without role name, you make me very suspicious.

 

And for the sake of bandwagoning - Going with [glow=red,2,300]Tigs[/glow] on this one. Yes. it is a bandwagon, but it also has reason - half reveals are so dangerous.

 

First I wanna go ahead and say this then I will reply to Pookies post.  I did not half reveal. I am a townie that has a one time ability to stop myself from being night killed.  I didn't tell my name because we aren't allowed to and as "name" I'm not sure how much that covers.  Does it cover just the name or the character title as well?  If it doesn't cover the character title then let me know and I will tell you that as well.

[mcs0083]

I agree with what Pookie is saying.

[glow=red,2,300]Tigs[/glow]