[DPR Mafia] Call-Your-Shot Mafia- Points being posted...

[ed2funy]

So...you are claiming Finder and Firefighter?

o.0

[Kivam]

So...you are claiming Finder and Firefighter?

o.0

 

Nope.  At the moment, I'm roleless.  But I got confirmation of alignment on Lily night 1

[ed2funy]

How?

You asked if she was the Arsonist? And then also got a alignment viewing?

 

Also....FDM was innocent technically.

[Kivam]

Yep, that's exactly how.  Believe me, I was surprised

[ed2funy]

I am skeptical on that...but for now, the biggest weight on your side is no counter-claim. And the fact that you have mostly been right.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I might not be on here tomorrow and I might get nightkilled so I wanted to get this out there.

 

I think kiv is mafia, I also think he is the firefighter. I think Wes has spiny this game on it's head. If I am correct and we lynch kivam and he is mafia then barm is also scum. The way the arsonist role is written it looks like a restricted vig with an opportunity to turn solo. So a mafia firefighter would make perfect sense.

 

I think alys's whatever she got was flawed because the mafia are clearly a team and she said there were no teams.

 

I propose we lync kiv because he has found the arsonist and barm has not to my knowledge found the psycho. Kiv is more expendable at the moment. Kiv I know you are a good player in fact you are one of the best I have played with but you can be duped and you can be found out by a newb and if a town works together they can lynch a player with or without your help.

 

Kiv at the end of the day you are only one vote on a lynch ballot unless you are going to claim andouble voter. Your ove zealous attacks on me especially this last one for voting Dae when there were several votes on that lynch is really making me think you are scum. We got the traitor and in my books that was a good lynch.

 

Town think about what I am saying, I really think it is the correct theory. If I have to be lynched tomorrow for you to test it out, you will get no qualms out of me.

 

[ed2funy]

1. Your logic may be flawed...for reasons I can't say at the moment.

2. You are both 'worthless' role-wise now, so it doesn't matter really.

3. If you die first, it does not mean he is guilty.

4. If we lynch him, it does no prove you either way.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

1. I know that and I now know your reason

2. I never said It did

3. Never said it did either, I jus want people to take a second look at him

4. Again never said it did, I said it proved barm, we have more to gain from a kivam lynch at the moment because we can confirm barm through kiv lynch, my lynch will only say innocent govenor or however Wes will word it, you can't confirm no one through my lynch but myself and by then I won't matter about me.

[ed2funy]

1. I doubt it.

2. You said it is best to lynch him first. "Kiv at the end of the day you are only one vote on a lynch ballot unless you are going to claim andouble voter." I don't know what the second half is, but you said he is the only one up for a lynch.

3. and 4. were for my own thoughts. I see what you mean on Barm connection, but I don't agree.

 

Talking in numbers is bad. :P

[Barmacral]

Wow, DS... you are fighting so desperately to lynch a person with a ridiculous amount of evidence supporting him that you couldn't possibly be more scummy unless you straight out admitted to it.

[Talya]

I have to agree with Barm here. Of all the people in this game, he is the one that has the most evidence that he is innocent, it's not a fool proof one and not 100% without a finder say so, and yet Pete, you really are drumming for him. It very much comes across as a revenge vote because he thought you may have been mafia before.

 

He is not expendable, his knowledge on playing the game is very useful and has a great insight. For the moment I would like to keep him in the game. But now he has a target on his back with Lily, which is unfortunate.

 

looking at Dae's postsd. he seemed to link Rey, Pandy and kivam as scum (his thoughts anyway) Seems to me that he was trying to set Pandy and Kivam up especially with everything we know now. He knew that if he died he would have his post examined. He seems a little too over the top in saying that he thinks Nae could be mafia in one breath, but dismissing her in the next. It makes it worth looking at Nae. Again he could be doing it to set her up.

 

I hope Barm that you haven't found the person you need to, because I think I would rather Pale alive if you are now roleless, than have him dead. his role could prove useful. However if you haven't then things should go as we have said before and Pale should take your place. Before anyone says anything that it looks like you haven't, I just wanted to get that out there...

[cosmicpanda]

I could go for a pete lynch tomorrow, too. I do want Hybrid dead as well, and I'm not too fussy about who comes first.

[WWWwombat]

Barm doesn't turn roleless once he finds the psycho.

[Talya]

How do you know? I would have thought he would!

[Naeann]

I might not be on here tomorrow and I might get nightkilled so I wanted to get this out there.

 

I think kiv is mafia, I also think he is the firefighter. I think Wes has spiny this game on it's head. If I am correct and we lynch kivam and he is mafia then barm is also scum. The way the arsonist role is written it looks like a restricted vig with an opportunity to turn solo. So a mafia firefighter would make perfect sense.

 

I think alys's whatever she got was flawed because the mafia are clearly a team and she said there were no teams.

 

I propose we lync kiv because he has found the arsonist and barm has not to my knowledge found the psycho. Kiv is more expendable at the moment. Kiv I know you are a good player in fact you are one of the best I have played with but you can be duped and you can be found out by a newb and if a town works together they can lynch a player with or without your help.

 

Kiv at the end of the day you are only one vote on a lynch ballot unless you are going to claim andouble voter. Your ove zealous attacks on me especially this last one for voting Dae when there were several votes on that lynch is really making me think you are scum. We got the traitor and in my books that was a good lynch.

 

Town think about what I am saying, I really think it is the correct theory. If I have to be lynched tomorrow for you to test it out, you will get no qualms out of me.

 

 

So let me get this straight?  You are going after Kiv for, out of all the people on a lynch.. he comes after you?  Does that not sound exactly like what you were doing to me?

 

How are the mafia "CLEARLY" a team?  Like someone mentioned... we've played a WES game where the mafia were shown as mafia upon death but they had no idea who each other were.... or they each knew who one other one were.. (think like the black ajah in the books setup..each knew two and those two knew one other)

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I've never played a Wes game like that.

 

What proof do we have that Kiv is innocent? We have proof he is the firefighter but not that he is innocent. Nae I don't hold a grudge for that long, if someone votes for me I don't care.

 

We have proof that Far was the arsonist, and we have proof she was innocent, but we do not know that Kiv is. Like he said for my role, it could be used for a mafia team. An equalizer for a vig, could be used for a mafia team. Just because the name denotes innocence, it doesn't mean that it proves it.

[Talya]

If he wasn't innocent, then it would be odd of him to find the arsonist. He would leave it and hopw that when the arsonist goes off there are more innocents (which there more than likely would be). It would be very advantageous for him. If he had to give in a name each night, he could have given in his team mates, knowing they weren't the arsonist.

 

The fact that he had said he had viewed Far and he said he knew she was innocent, who suggest he is telling the truth.

[WWWwombat]

How do you know? I would have thought he would!

 

Well if you believe what he said in his reveal, he doesn't.

[Naeann]

I never said he was innocent.  I asked you to come up with better reasons for thinking hes not than "omg you came after me out of all the people on that lynch".  Mostly because you are griping at Kivam for doing that when you did it to me awhile back.  Your other argument is.. well.. If Kiv IS innocent then it's ok that we lose him.. we are two mafia and a traitor down... and hes roleless now so expendable.  ALSO the argument against you awhile back.  As Ed pointed out.. you are also expendable.  Sorry but making that argument is like leaving yourself an out for when he DOES come up innocent.  So then you can say "Darn.. my logic on that was off.. at least he was just a roleless innocent.. I figured it was worth the risk."

 

Edit:  Wombat.. do you have the quote with his reveal handy?  I don't remember the wording.

[WWWwombat]

Barm, you may as well reveal now, since we need as much info as we can get

 

I guess... I am the psychiatrist. My role at night is to find the psycho and heal him. Once I find the psycho he/she becomes a roleless townie and I become a doctor for the town. So far I have picked Wwwwwwwombat because he linked to the mafiascum descripton of the psycho (which says the role basically makes him a bomb with a vendetta), and Pale for much the same reasons that I voiced suspicions of him.

 

My role PM did not say what the psycho's role is.

 

Where did you get that I false claimed? I never claimed anything, several people tried claiming things for me, and I dissuaded them of the notion once I got back from the weekend.

You used a tactic that was quite readily picked up by Kiv and then others, then never dissuaded(or had chance too) people till Day 3, if Dragon had been lynched and flipped innocent you would have used the same reasoning.

 

Of course I would have used the same reasoning, as it is true. However, I chose not to wait, as it benefited the town more for me to explain my actions before the lynch. Frankly, the cromwell thing picked up steam WAY faster than I anticipated, and I did not expect to come back to find us in night 2.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I never said he was innocent.  I asked you to come up with better reasons for thinking hes not than "omg you came after me out of all the people on that lynch".  Mostly because you are griping at Kivam for doing that when you did it to me awhile back.  Your other argument is.. well.. If Kiv IS innocent then it's ok that we lose him.. we are two mafia and a traitor down... and hes roleless now so expendable.  ALSO the argument against you awhile back.  As Ed pointed out.. you are also expendable.  Sorry but making that argument is like leaving yourself an out for when he DOES come up innocent.  So then you can say "Darn.. my logic on that was off.. at least he was just a roleless innocent.. I figured it was worth the risk."

 

Edit:  Wombat.. do you have the quote with his reveal handy?  I don't remember the wording.

 

No that was Kiv's argument about being roleless, I wasjust saying since he was roleless now, he could apply that argument to himself. Again, Kiv may be one of the best players I have ever played with but there are several good players in this game and more people then just him can win this game. I believe he is scum, and if he is then Barm stands a pretty good chance, if my theory is correct. I know I will probably be lynched tomorrow but when I turn up innocent then at least take a second look at Kiv. And Nae I said if Kiv turns up innocent I will hammer myself the following day, I am not leaving myself an out. I am not infallible, and I can be wrong, but I am willing to risk my life in this game for the town to check Kiv. Does that sound like someone trying to hide behind half made logic?

 

Kiv would you risk your game life on me? Would you hammer yourself the following day if I turn up innocent?

[Talya]

Pete, I really don't like it when people say 'I will vote/hammer myself tomorrow if he turns out innocent' More than likely you wouldn't. It's a pointless saying and means nothing.

 

Wombat, thank you. That makes a lot of sense, Barm turning into the doc. I hope that doesn't mean we don't have one now, but I can't see that.

 

Now, I still can't see why you think Kiv is Mafia. I would rather go with someone who stands out more. Odd thing is, at this moment I don't believe you are mafia, but we will see. It will be interesting to see if you use your power to stop another lynch and who that person may be. Your saving grace is you didn't save Rey, but then I think if you did and were mafia you would look defiantely scummy by now. However, I think Rey sacrificed for some reason, so if you are Mafia ypou wouldn't have saved him anyway!

 

 

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

 

Here are the PM's I sent:

 

You are the Traitor. You are roled as Townie, but you win with the mafia. If the mafia recruits you, you will become mafia.

 

&

 

You are the Arsonist. Once per night, you may choose one player to "prime". If the Firefighter dies, all of the "primed" players will burn and die. If the Firefighter finds you, you will become a Vanilla Townie and all of the primed players will be saved.

 

You are roled as Town, but eligable for a Solo win if you are the last player to live.

 

The mafia does have a recruit, and who would be a better recruit then a pretty much confirmed innocent, unless he started as scum anyway. I believe the second IMHO.

 

Pete, I really don't like it when people say 'I will vote/hammer myself tomorrow if he turns out innocent' More than likely you wouldn't. It's a pointless saying and means nothing.

 

Wombat, thank you. That makes a lot of sense, Barm turning into the doc. I hope that doesn't mean we don't have one now, but I can't see that.

 

Now, I still can't see why you think Kiv is Mafia. I would rather go with someone who stands out more. Odd thing is, at this moment I don't believe you are mafia, but we will see. It will be interesting to see if you use your power to stop another lynch and who that person may be. Your saving grace is you didn't save Rey, but then I think if you did and were mafia you would look defiantely scummy by now. However, I think Rey sacrificed for some reason, so if you are Mafia ypou wouldn't have saved him anyway!

 

I will if and when the time comes. My power is used up I can't use it anymore.

 

Plus Talya I wouldn't repeatedly say I think Rey was sacrificed.

 

Also I think Kiv and Barm are trying to pull a gambit. Both of them claimed similar roles, but both vastly different. Kiv, claims he knew thee arsonist's ability and he became vanilla. Barm claims he doesn't know the psycho's ability, but he becomes a doctor.

 

 

[Talya]

Looking back at those roles. it says that if the Firefighter dies then those primed will die. If Kivam didn't find Far then when he dies, i presume that those ptrimed will still die.

 

That might be just part of Dae's role. It maybe that only he could be recruited, not that someone was.

 

I cannot see how a Firefighter would be classed in a Mafia role. It just wouldn't fit. He found out Far was the arsonist. We know that much, hence his claim of her innocence! If he was mafia, then he wouldn't have known that. Because he wouldn't try to find her. If he died after she had primed a few, then we would have got a mafia, but others would have gone with him. that would have been in the Mafia favour. And the chances of more innocents being primed the mafia are high. So he could have played it all differently.

 

I guessed about Lily and Far (well Lily actually), but i just got the wrong person as being the arsonist. Surely you could have worked that out as well.

 

At the moment this does not make sense. He maybe recruited later, or they may not have the ability. (see above)

 

I agree with kivam, that Dae was trying to out himself to the mafia letting him know who he was. by the looks of things they didn't find him.

 

I'm surprised that you don't have the ability anymore and you wasted it on yourself. If you are on the towns side, why didn't you take one for the town and given us some information. Your role would have been more useful if it was used on the healer of finder. So you have deprived us of some info. But then I guess others would have done the same!

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

If I didn't use it the role would have been lost upon my death anyway.

 

Talya, in some games I have played, the mafia has had a finder, not a conventional role, but they were a finder for the mafia.

 

Also Kiv said Lily and Far was innocent. So that means he would have viewed Lily night one, and Far night two. Pale claimed Far was going to die, and Kiv never spoke up to say she was the arsonist and now a vanilla and thus confirmed her innocence to the town.

 

I can't see how Wes would make an arsonist a townie, with a chance to go solo but he did it, and if Barm is telling the truth I don't know why he would include a psycho, and an arsonist, and a poisoner apparently.

 

Talya I quoted a post directly from DPR, saying a player can be recruited, I don't think that would be circumstantial. And if a player is recruited to the mafia the mafia must be a group. Why are you trying to dispel the thought of a mafia recruit?