Sad Bracelets / male a'dam

[imsoen]

The male a'dam are now with Rand, Cadsuane, Nynaeve etc., so who will they be used on? RJ wouldn't have introduced them into the plot unless they had some important role.

 

Would Rand allow himself to be controlled by Nynaeve, Cadsuane, Elayne, Aviendha or Moiraine?

 

Also, I'd like to clarify, in KoD, were the copies found copies of the collar, the bracelets or both? My interpretation is that there are now more "sets" of the a'dam so a bunch of male channelers could be collared; Taim anyone?

[Mat Comes With The Dawn]

Oh no, they're the same bracelets and necklace from Tanchico so long ago. Bayle was supposed to drop them off in the sea but Egeanin makes him property and takes the bracelet and necklace to Suroth as a gift. Being a darkfriend, Suroth gave them to Semirhage at some point and she planned to take Rand, which didn't work out so well.

 

As for what role they will play, it's hard to say since they are flawed in design. Impossible to say, but I think that Moridin and Rand will have something to do with it.

[imsoen]

I distinctly remember that copies were mentioned.

 

Actually, how many did Egwene and Nynaeve find in the first place?

 

EDIT:

http://encyclopaedia-wot.org:8008/books/kod/ch27.html

Says there are 6 a'dam and 5 sad bracelets.

[Anajon]

I have been wondering about that - if Rand allows two of the girls to channel his power through the bracelets - he could avoid the problem of LTT grabbing the power from him.

 

Would that work? Would they be channelling as if they were linked - with one of them reaching for the source through Rand? Or would he have to get hold of the source first?

[Mat Comes With The Dawn]

I distinctly remember that copies were mentioned.

 

Actually, how many did Egwene and Nynaeve find in the first place?

 

EDIT:

http://encyclopaedia-wot.org:8008/books/kod/ch27.html

Says there are 6 a'dam and 5 sad bracelets.

 

Don't have my own copy of KOD but there it is I guess. Egwene and Nynaeve found one necklace with two bracelets.

 

Maybe Semirhage was able to make copies of the bracelets, or get some damane to make copies for her. Her plan was to capture Rand and everyone with him, and she made sure she had the means apparantly.

[maximus34]

well i really cant remember where i read it... but i do recall that Rand will kneel before the crystal throne (maybe a Min viewing) and such. So perhaps he will allow one to be placed on him so that he may travel to Seanchan and speak to the Empress... i dunno, this is just idle speculation while i am sitting at work :P I look forward to feedback/additions to the idea! thx!

[dragonlover]

Egwene and Nynaeve didnt get the male a'dam it was Elayne and Nynaeve who got it in Tanchico, Egwene was in the waste with Rand at that point

[TheDiceAgain...]

He has no need to travel to Seanchan to meet the Empress. The old Empress was killed in Semirhage's little insurrection. Tuon is now the Empress and in order to see her, all he need do is go to the Tarasin Palace in Ebou Dar and chat. Besides which, that particular prophecy is not considered very reliable. More like wishful thinking on the part of the Seanchan.

[Mat Comes With The Dawn]

One side of the prophecies are wrong. Seanchan say he has to bow before the throne, but Randland says he will bind the nine moons to serve him. No mention of the throne, and they are both the Karaethon Cycle.

[Luckers]

It has been suggested that the seanchan one and the Randland one are both correct... i.e. he kneels just before he blows up the throne and binds the Empress to serve him... but no one really believes it. Most likely the Seanchan one is a fabrication.

 

As for the sad bracelets... Yes, semirhage had copies made. Five were found in the basement, and there may be others elsewhere.

 

I don't see the light using them at all, though they may rock up if Tuon discovers some other copies.

[cannon]

I don't believe the sad bracelets are going to be used for anything else in the book, except perhaps reining in some of the dreadlords Taim is making.

 

I think the bracelets, like the threat of forcibly turning people to the shadow side, are merely there to add dramatic tension. We know that it could happen, so we constantly speculate that it will.

 

I disagree with those who say that if a gun is leaning against a wall in the first act, then it will be fired by the third. In some situations, there's just as much drama in knowing that it MIGHT get fired.

[Mat Comes With The Dawn]

Speaking of which I hope Siuan gets turned. That'd be interesting.

[bluecole]

It has been stated by RJ (chat, QOTW, or book signing; i can't remember which) that the Seanchan prophecy was a corruption caused by Ishamel after AH sent LP across the ocean. Ishmael did it simply to cause trouble in the long run.

 

Since that time, it has become imbedded in Seanchan minds/prophacey that the DR would bow to them. Gonna be quite a shock when it dsoesn't happen.

 

I'll see if i can't find a klink to better explain it.

 

B.

[Dionysus]

It has been stated by RJ (chat, QOTW, or book signing; i can't remember which) that the Seanchan prophecy was a corruption caused by Ishamel after AH sent LP across the ocean. Ishmael did it simply to cause trouble in the long run.

 

Since that time, it has become imbedded in Seanchan minds/prophacey that the DR would bow to them. Gonna be quite a shock when it dsoesn't happen.

 

I'll see if i can't find a klink to better explain it.

 

B.

 

I don't ever remember reading that.

[Barnabas]

i dont remember reading that exactly, but im pretty sure i read somewhere (in one of the books possibly, memory is very shifty atm, severely sleep deprived) that ishamael had been orchestrating events for a fair while, including hawkwings distrust of aes sedai, and that it was possible hed corrupted prophecies and such when they went over the sea. i cant confirm though sorry, dont have books or anything on me right now

[prophetman]

There was a bunch of posts a while ago about the authenticity of the Seanchan prophecies, but I dont remember anything definitive about Ishmael corrupting prohecies. He definetly did corrupt Hawking and the Seanchan, but I dont think prophecies were ever directly mentioned.

 

Its a very interesting idea that Rand might need the collar to talk to Tuon. Tuon has very strong issues with "marath damane" (think thats the right term(?)) so she might be reluctant to negotiate with Rand. Rand would certainly have issues with being collared, not to mention Lews Therin. Hmmmmm. Intriguing. Not very likely to happen but it would certainly be interesting.

 

Just to state my opinion on the Seanchan prophecy, it is a true prophecy. My interpretation is that Rand will come to some accord with the Crystal Throne (Tuon), hence 'kneeling' or showing respect to her. But thats a whole other topic.

[Luckers]

I don't see Rand leashing himself just to talk to Tuon, and the Seachan don't have the same feelings about male channelers as female. They just kill them.

[padainfain]

Especially with Rand's view of being captured or held (his nice trip with tower Aes Sedai in book 6 and his lovely visit to the far madding dungeons in book 9). I'd say he'd be more for letting lews therrin grab the source and blow the bejesus outta ANYONE trying to get him with the sad braclets than being captured again.

[Luckers]

Agreed.

 

Seanchan: Can you put this male a'dam on while meeting the Empress.

 

Rand: Sure. Would you like me to get in a box too?

 

Not gonna happen.

[padainfain]

The ONLY way i can see those braclets going on is if the forkroot'd Rand to high heaven. Even then he'd probably tell the empress -(be it Tuon or some random family member of hers whose quick with an anit Tuon missle)- to get forked. (tastless pun, i REALLY couldnt help it im sooooo bored.)

 

Does Forkroot work on male channelers? i cant remember.

[kittydesmond]

corruption or not, did it ever cross anyones mind that by the time rand "kneels" its just because he can show respect to a leader...who just happens to be his best buddies wife? He knelt to the Amyrlin seat because of who she was but also didnt swear anything...or even show proper (if ya wanna call it that)respect to her station after that.

 

My point being that a show of respect can go a long way with negotiation and phrophesy can be sooo literal at times. (It didnt say swear to anything or any other complicated plot twist)

 

He also knelt to morgase, but she was his queen.

 

just my thoughts...

[padainfain]

I'd kneel to morgase too, she's written as quite the hottie!

[cannon]

Does Forkroot work on male channelers? i cant remember.

 

It hasn't appeared in the stories yet, and RJ RAFO-ed the question.

[Mat Comes With The Dawn]

Does Forkroot work on male channelers? i cant remember.

 

It hasn't appeared in the stories yet' date=' and RJ RAFO-ed the question.[/quote']

 

Yes it does. Remember in KOD there's some account by that I think Balwer tells Perrin that the Seanchan set up checkpoints on the roads where they have people drink tea, and then it says something like "and then women get taken away never to be seen again. Some of the men too."

[Iwillfinishcollegefirst]

    I can't help but wonder that Moridin has two women controlled w/mindtraps and the male a'dam has two bracelets that allow for imperfect control-- add in the link between rand and moridin and I can't shake the feeling that somehow that all plays together. Just an idle observation.