How will Elayne's preganancy fit into aMoL?

[trakand_01]

You've all got odd minds... I wasnt actually suggesting that she'd do that during TG.

 

Although it has been suggested frequently in other threads as the solution to the 'his blood on the rocks of shayol ghul' dilemma.

[Safia al-Maaz]

That would not even make sense, that's Elayne's blood that would be spilled unless one of the babies is born bleeding...

[trakand_01]

I didnt say it did - I didnt even suggest it as a possibility (and it certainly wasnt what my original post was getting at), I was just saying that it had been suggested (by others) in other threads.

 

Anyway, we digress from the topic at hand.

 

I dont think that Elayne's pregnancy will have any purpose other than to keep her in focus through the last book. She won't be fighting at TG and if she weren't pregnant, she could fall into obscurity behind more influential and important characters. Being pregnant with Rand's babes maintains her importance and keeps us all interested in her. Well, I say interested... :D

[Mr Ares]

That would not even make sense, that's Elayne's blood that would be spilled unless one of the babies is born bleeding...

Rand's blood meaning his kin - which his babies would count as. His family on the rocks of SG. They also use the Aiel in the smae way. A less literal interpretation of "his blood".

[Luckers]

Technically the Andorans would work as well through Tigraine... though perhaps less thematically than the Aiel.

[trakand_01]

True. I always think whenever I hear 'the Dragon's Blood' that it's referring to the Aiel.

 

However RJ does like to make us think, and perhaps (although I do think unlikely) he has been hiding the andorans inside that quote all this time, just waiting to surprise us.

 

I have to say I think it's a bit weird that Elayne, being so 'well educated' doesnt seem to have cottoned on that Rand is her father's dead wife's child...

[Luckers]

Why should she? I mean its a pretty extreme connection, and she knows none of the links. To her, Tigraine disapeared, and Rand looks like her, but is Aiel. And all of it being before her birth.

[Guest Dreadlord]

Does Rand know she is pregnant?

[Bob T Dwarf]

No.

[Safia al-Maaz]

I can't wait until he finds out ^^

 

And yeah, I always wondered whether or not the blood thing might actually refer to the Andoran's rather than the Aiel... (that's what I'm hoping, I love the Aiel way more :P ) But for the prophecy to actually refer to his family his children would have to bleed on the rocks, and since I doubt Rand will let Elayne anywhere near battles if she's pregnant, I doubt this is the case... I'm hoping at least

[Guest Dreadlord]

In that case, I hope that he finds out after Cadsuane teaches him how to laugh and cry again, and that he finds out at a time very close to him fighting the Dark One, and that news should be the one thing that sets him right. All the way through the series we have seen him lose it, be so paranoid about going mad, beat himself up about the women that died for him and resigning to the fact that he will die at Tarmon Gaidon. Him finding out that Elayne is having his babies should be what makes him push himself, what drives him, it should give him strength. Something personal for him to focus on if you will

[Mr Ares]

But for the prophecy to actually refer to his family his children would have to bleed on the rocks

Why? The Prophecy says the Dragon's blood on the rocks of SG. Those related to Rand could be considered his blood, therefore they need to be on the rocks of SG. If they were to bleed, then that would be the blood of the Dragon's blood, which is not what the prophecy requires. Of course, there is the prophecy about a sacrifice for man's salvation with comes right after, but a sacrifice doesn't necessarily require bleeding. And there is a separate one about red blood on black rocks (a viewing around Rand, IIRC). But that simpy necessitates blood on black rocks (as SG's rocks are black, this is a fair bet as to which black rocks). Could be anyones blood. No requirement to be Rand's blood, nor the blood of his blood.

[Spirit1025]

Hmm...I have no reason to think this will be what happens, but here's an interesting thing to think about. Elayne is letting people believe that Daved Hanlon (or whatever he's calling himself, I forget?) is the father of the babies. What if someone other than Elayne tells Rand she is pregnant, and that this guy is the father?

[Safia al-Maaz]

But for the prophecy to actually refer to his family his children would have to bleed on the rocks

Why? The Prophecy says the Dragon's blood on the rocks of SG. Those related to Rand could be considered his blood, therefore they need to be on the rocks of SG. If they were to bleed, then that would be the blood of the Dragon's blood, which is not what the prophecy requires. Of course, there is the prophecy about a sacrifice for man's salvation with comes right after, but a sacrifice doesn't necessarily require bleeding. And there is a separate one about red blood on black rocks (a viewing around Rand, IIRC). But that simpy necessitates blood on black rocks (as SG's rocks are black, this is a fair bet as to which black rocks). Could be anyones blood. No requirement to be Rand's blood, nor the blood of his blood.

 

What I mean was it probably can't refer to Elayne's blood because she is not related to Rand, unless you mean Andoran blood, in which case it will probably be the people rather than Elayne herself.  For it to actually be Rand's blood and to refer to Elayne, she would have to have the babies born bleeding or something, because just "giving birth" would only cause her blood to be spilled, which isn't related to Rand. 

[RAND AL THOR]

I think what the other member is trying to say is that people with Rand's blood need to be physically present on the rocks of Shayol Ghul-it doesn't necessarily mean that that blood needs to be spilled.

 

Thnink about it: His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul

 

Though I consider it unlikely though not impossible.

[Safia al-Maaz]

OH!  I understand.  Sorry, my comprehension skills become low from lack of sleep.  That's actually an interesting theory, I haven't heard that one before... it's possible I suppose, RJ says the prophecies can be fulfilled in ways people would never predict.

[Mr Ares]

What I mean was it probably can't refer to Elayne's blood because she is not related to Rand, unless you mean Andoran blood, in which case it will probably be the people rather than Elayne herself.  For it to actually be Rand's blood and to refer to Elayne, she would have to have the babies born bleeding or something, because just "giving birth" would only cause her blood to be spilled, which isn't related to Rand.

What the other poster stated is correct. It is either Rand's blood literally (Rand will go to SG and bleed. Not a big stretch given that he bleeds everywhere, and the explanation I favour), or Rand's blood figuratively (someone, or several someones, that he is related to will be present at SG. Present, but not bleeding. These could be his kids, the Aiel or the Andorans. Kids are unlikely, due to timing. Aiel are the ones usually put forward. His people=his blood (blood relations) so them being present means that his blood is present. His blood doesn't need to bleed, unless it is literally his blood. If his blood is meant figuratively, then any bleeding his blood does will be the blood of his blood, not his blood, and is thus not covered by the prophecy). You're really confused now, aren't you?

[Kaznen]

The WO's are always harping about how Rand "when learn to know his blood" which means accept he is an Aielman.

 

And keep in mind the Aiel are the most hot to fight the directly confront the shadow ('Till shade is gone, 'till water.....) it doesn't seem unlikely that it's not refering to aiel.

 

And Rand hardly gives any mention to Galad being his brother.

 

As far as Elayne goes....

 

She'll be piloting a Mech at TG. 

[xWolfBrother]

Is there any chance that his half brother Galad might be the answer also?  I cant belive this is the final book already. :(

[Spirit1025]

Is there any chance that his half brother Galad might be the answer also?

 

It's possible. Galad would fit both 'his blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul' and the Foretelling about the royal line of Andor being the key to wining Tarmon Gai'don. I've never seen a theory on these prophecies referring to Galad. It would be an interesting twist, for sure!

[RAND AL THOR]

Is there any chance that his half brother Galad might be the answer also?

 

It's possible. Galad would fit both 'his blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul' and the Foretelling about the royal line of Andor being the key to wining Tarmon Gai'don. I've never seen a theory on these prophecies referring to Galad. It would be an interesting twist, for sure!

 

Galad would have to face an overhelming enemy for that. He seems to be impossible to kill. :D

[Safia al-Maaz]

I'm sure Galad will be there, as he mentioned giving support to anyone who opposed the... Seanchan I think?  At that point he was refering to Aes Sedai, but Asha'man aren't very different, and once he finds out Rand is his brother I am sure he'll throw in his support.

 

I feel bad for all non-channelers present at TG... they're going to have an extremely rough time.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Feeling silly again - can't resist -

 

The twins will be born after TG by Caesarean section.  The rights to display pictures of them will be purchased by Sky TV ( you remember the Great-Jumbotron-in-the-sky, doncha? ).  Elayne will use the proceeds to finance world peace ( or maybe whirled peas ).