The Ring of Tamyrlin

[Exy]

People seem to take it for granted that Tamyrlin was the first person to learn how to channel (presumably sometime early in the Age of Legends?) and that the Ring of Tamyrlin was a ring he made, and possibly a one-power object. (For instance, the wikipedia article on the Aes Sedai claims this).

 

Is there any canonical evidence for any of this? All I can remember from the books was that Lews Therin had worn the Ring of Tamyrlin and that it was presumably a symbol of his authority as the head of the Aes Sedai. Is there any particular reason to believe it was named for a specific person, or that its namesake was the first person to channel? Or is this just fan lore that has been repeated until people forget that it's not canon?

[Thorum]

http://www.steelypips.org/wotfaq/2_nondark/2.4_yore/2.4.06_tamyrlin.html

[Mr Ares]

Is there any canonical evidence for any of this?

In the expanded glossary of the two volume edition of EotW.

[Ashaman DeRouge]

Hey remember Lanfear saying something about 2 items more powerful than Callandor?

 

 

Ring of Tamyrlin anyone?

[Mr Ares]

Hey remember Lanfear saying something about 2 items more powerful than Callandor?

 

 

Ring of Tamyrlin anyone?

Any particular reason why? Other than "we've heard of it"?

[Ashaman DeRouge]

Gut feeling only, sorry.

 

Based on:

 

LTT -once- wore the RoT, in a time where Angreal, Ter' and Sa' were getting lost all over the shop.

Its mentioned ONCE in the very begining of the series, a very nice point to drop hints about future reveals, and RJ = canny

Lanfear would definately know about it, to mention the numbers to rand.

 

...it hasn't been -dis-proven.

 

...I'm actually slightly excited about this though. I think, for once, and my wife won't agree, I might be right!

 

EDIT actually now that I think about it, the fact that we have heard of it makes it more likely at this late stage than something entirely new and random. Also LTT had it, so its male OP use, or at least both Saidar and Saidin

[Mr Ares]

LTT wore it at a time when there wasn't any shortage of angreal or sa'angreal. And at a time when sheer strength in the Power wasn't that important. So why would the AS make a sa'angreal the symbol of their leader? Why not just hand it out if someone should ever need such a tool?

[Bob T Dwarf]

The Ring is supposed to have descended from Tamyrlin, who even during the AoL was already the semi-mythical figure who first mastered the art of channeling.  Tamyrlin's gender was unknown, which is puzzling given the Ring, unless, like the Bowl of Winds it was an object that had the property of being able to tap both halves of OP.

 

I've always thought it was the ring that Graendal found in Sam's stash.  

[OptimusPrime]

Hey remember Lanfear saying something about 2 items more powerful than Callandor?

 

 

Ring of Tamyrlin anyone?

 

I always assumed she meant the male and female Choeden Kal separately. I could be wrong though of course.

[Arath Faringal]

Lanfear said there were 2 stronger sa'angreal for men.  The male CK, and 1 unknown other. 

[OptimusPrime]

Ah yea sorry

[Ashaman DeRouge]

LTT wore it at a time when there wasn't any shortage of angreal or sa'angreal. And at a time when sheer strength in the Power wasn't that important. So why would the AS make a sa'angreal the symbol of their leader? Why not just hand it out if someone should ever need such a tool?

 

I think its more a symbol of "first channeler" than any specific need of the power-boon it grants. Just so happens that nowadays, *angreal that powerful are damn rare.

 

Of course it does hang on the question, what side of the power does it use etc etc.

 

*shrug*

 

 

[Majsju]

LTT wore it at a time when there wasn't any shortage of angreal or sa'angreal. And at a time when sheer strength in the Power wasn't that important. So why would the AS make a sa'angreal the symbol of their leader? Why not just hand it out if someone should ever need such a tool?

 

And more important, why would a symbol of leadership be something only one gender would benefit from? Seems quite odd that an enlightened society like the one in AOL would still hang on to the nasty habit of shutting out 50% of the population.

[Ashaman DeRouge]

I thought it was ambigious if it handled one or both sides of the OP?

 

I have been wrong before though, don't let it shock you :P

[JScott]

    Wait a minute.  I have not read the entry for "Tamyrlin" mentioned above, but......I thought from the first time I saw the word "Amyrlin" (Tamyrlin mentioned first between the two) that they [tAmyrlin and Amyrlin (emphasis mine)] were related as male and female are.  Did I just find out that I'm wrong about this?

 

    For instance, there is a ring of Tamyrlin, and a ring of Amyrlin.....or these words are titles of the leaders of the Female Aes Sedai and the Male Aes Sedai, if that tradition had evolved simultaneously, which of course didn't.  (The history couldn't have developed this situation as it is portrayed in the WoT series.)  I mean, the first time I read tEotW, I was waiting for the meeting between the Amyrlin and the Tamyrlin....only made sense at the time.  Until I realized that there was not a male contingent of Aes Sedai.  Disappointing, really, but understandable.  Still disappointing.  ;)

[JScott]

    Damn!!

 

    Well, I still like my interpretation, and that entry in the expanded glossary isn't set in stone.  It seems very vague and unsure to me.

[JenniferL]

Yes, you just found out you are wrong.

[millnoc]

Out of curiosity, do we have any clue as to when the Tamyrlin lived?  Or for that matter the timeline of the First Age/AoL?  We know the Portal Stones were made in the FA, but we also have the strangely Mercedes-like symbol from the Tanchico Palace.  Does this hint that the 7th age was an age like our world, the 1st was the age where channeling was learned and the Tamyrlin lived?

[Hallow]

Out of curiosity, do we have any clue as to when the Tamyrlin lived?  Or for that matter the timeline of the First Age/AoL?  We know the Portal Stones were made in the FA, but we also have the strangely Mercedes-like symbol from the Tanchico Palace.  Does this hint that the 7th age was an age like our world, the 1st was the age where channeling was learned and the Tamyrlin lived?

 

do we know? Where does it say that the traveling stones were made in the first age? I always thought the only claim anyone made was that they predated the second age, and that doesn't necessarily mean that they were created in the first.

 

Also I stick to the theory that the first age is our age (the stories Thom talks about) and that it ended when channeling was discovered, ushering in the AOL or the second age.

[millnoc]

We don't know they were from the first age, but it wouldn't make much to have a 6th age - advanced channeling age that creates portal stones, 7th age - technology age where they forget channeling.  That's primarily why I don't buy it when people say the First Age was an age like ours.  Thom's stories could be holdovers from an age previous to that.