Did Nynyeave make a mistake when she healed Siuan and Leane?

[Arkelias]

When she heals Logain he regains his full strength.  Then she heals Siuan and Leane and both are considerably weaker than they were before.

 

Later in the series Damer Flynn heals the women that were stilled during Rand's escape at Dumai Wells.  All of them seem to have regained their full strength.

 

Did Nynyeave just mess up when she healed Siuan or is it normal for a stilled woman to be healed at less than full strength?

[moroten]

You need the opposite one power to regain full strength after getting stilled/burned out. So Nynaeve didnt really do any mistakes but the effect of saidar on saidar is less than what saidin would have produced.

 

I wonder though. Lets say that we still Siuan and Leane again and let Damer Flinn heal them would they return to their original strength or are their new strength the maximum they could reach and would be able to channel even less if Nynaeve healed them again.

[wvlr2]

How about if Ny links up with Rand and then heals a woman with the male side????

 

I am pretty sure that this would work.

Excuse me if this has already been mentioned.

[fikkie77]

I am certain that would work, because it's not the gender of the healer that's important, but the side of the One Power that's used (saidin or saidar). But that would be very difficult, because Nynaeve doesn't know how to use saidin (the weaves are different).

[Seven of Nine]

I am sure that the reason for the difference was plot driven, so that when Nynaeve unstilled Suiane and Leanne it didn't position Suiane to be Amyrlin again.

 

Perhaps the ladies could be stilled again in the future and Flynn (or another Ashaman healer) could fix them completely this time. Not sure they'd want to take the risk, but it's a question that someone should answer.

[OptimusPrime]

Aye, Saidin fully Healers Saidar channelers and vice versa. If, say, Nynaeve linked with Rand to Heal Siuan (because Rand has neither the knowledge  of the weave nor the Talent for Healing, yet he channels Saidin which is the key) maybe Siuan would be brought to full strength. Interesting idea wvlr2

[Mr. Dragon]

I am sure that the reason for the difference was plot driven, so that when Nynaeve unstilled Suiane and Leanne it didn't position Suiane to be Amyrlin again.

 

 

I agree it was plot driven but I think the reason was that so Suiane was in a position to help Egwene without raising too much suspision from the Hall. If Suiane was stronger, they would be more suspisous that she was trying to grab power via Egwene, but as she is weak, the Hall sees her as someone who is easily controlled and thus, little threat.

[mb]

Robert Jordan commented on this::

For Alys Kinch, the Healing of stilling must be done by the other gender to be fully effective. A woman Healing a woman or a man Healing a man results in less than full restoration. It all ties into that theme I keep harping on. Men and women have to work together to be their most effective. And while the weave used by Flinn for Healing is not exactly that used by Nynaeve, either would use the same weave on a man or a woman.

http://13depository.blogspot.com/2009/03/rjs-blog-posts-pre-knife-of-dreams.html

 

[Mr Ares]

I am sure that the reason for the difference was plot driven, so that when Nynaeve unstilled Suiane and Leanne it didn't position Suiane to be Amyrlin again.

Considering how unpopular she was, it's doubtful that would happen. At least in part, it had to be thematic - men and women working together.

[Seven of Nine]

I am sure that the reason for the difference was plot driven, so that when Nynaeve unstilled Suiane and Leanne it didn't position Suiane to be Amyrlin again.

Considering how unpopular she was, it's doubtful that would happen. At least in part, it had to be thematic - men and women working together.

I never got the impression that Suiane was that unpopular. I'm not saying that she had tons of friends, but she had plenty of respect. Elaida's trumped up accusations were an issue (and in their incomplete presentation perhaps rightly so). But Amyrlins have been deposed before without the WT being split.

[Muad Cheade]

Yeah. Elaida became Amyrlin by a very slim margin. She notes in one of her POVs that if she hadn't had Alviarin as her Keeper she wouldn't have the support of the White Ajah and would be the one stilled and in the cells.

[Mablir Dorlig]

I am certain that would work, because it's not the gender of the healer that's important, but the side of the One Power that's used (saidin or saidar). But that would be very difficult, because Nynaeve doesn't know how to use saidin (the weaves are different).

 

Nynaeve may find it easier using Saidin than she did Saidar as she does not like surrendering (the key to success with Saidar) but is always struggling to fight

[Mr Ares]

I never got the impression that Suiane was that unpopular.

When she had to petition the Blues to rejoin them, they were none too eager to let her back in. A lot of people blame her.

[Seven of Nine]

I never got the impression that Suiane was that unpopular.

When she had to petition the Blues to rejoin them, they were none too eager to let her back in. A lot of people blame her.

But that is because of what had happened not when she was the Amyrlin. If she had been brought back to power I think it can be argued that she could have done more to make her case. Because she was weaker, it wasn't even considered.

[Mr Ares]

But that is because of what had happened not when she was the Amyrlin. If she had been brought back to power I think it can be argued that she could have done more to make her case. Because she was weaker, it wasn't even considered.

She wasn't made Amyrlin in the first place due to her strength. It's not a consideration. She was sufficiently unpopular that they couldn't make her their figurehead.

[Seven of Nine]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I believe it was a plot point.