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  1. I hope we get a POV from Bair arriving there and that Shaido guy (that was given permission to go a couple chapters before Perrin kicked their butts) is walking out of them & he & Bair discuss what he saw. Because that would help answer a few of our questions. What the Guys see now on their first pass & if it is significantly different, we will know that the whole thing has changed.
  2. Yes, that could be it, assuming they don't have Toveine and Gabrelle at hand (otherwise, they wouldn't balk at killing them). How they might've taken Logain alone, or why the two AS would remain hidden for this long, is a different question of course. And I agree that Pevara's freak-out was orchestrated to create a delay, and that alone. More than likely because chapter two was supposed to be released before the publication date, but they didn't intend to release that whole arc with it. Agreed, but not only that. Androl is clearly a special case in that he is so exceptional with Gateways. He has always been "bigger/better" than everyone else. It is clearly a Talent, a very unusual Talent as he is otherwise so week. Now comes the Dreamspike. & even with his "tiny" power, he "almost" can form the Gateway when everyone else does not even come close. I always thought that he would be able to defeat the DS if he would link, but now there is another factor ( the enhanced double bond ) that might also add to his ability. We have already seen the regular "bond" give Warders enhanced physical and mental capabilities every since tEotW. We never were told of how this was effecting "our channelers" that were bonded, either AS or Asha'men", maybe because it was small or just went unnoticed. But with this Enhanced "double bond", i think that we are going to hear of significant impact. I also think it will add to the Pherva "being Awsome", whitch I can't wait for, This chapter made she terriably jumpy, which was anoying, but we saw similar at the BT with the "breaking" of that Black AS. I really can't wait for both of them to start Kicking Ass. Added thought, could the Double Bond possable give some other extra ability? Like allowing them both to channel when linked in a circle? This is very doubtful, but we are talking entirely new territory here, so we could get some enexpected benifits. Can't wait to see.
  3. After reading Androl’s pov in ToM I had no doubt that Logain and the others were captured. The reason that they were not 13x13ed immediately is probably the Bond. Maybe it is necessary to 13x13 the Asha’man and his AS at exactly the same time, or maybe it is just harder if there is a Bond. Either way, Logain would be the hardest because he has Bonded 2 AS. Chapter 2 just added to my conviction, because, I think, that this is the first Asha’man bonded to an AS that we have seen “Turned”. Maybe the DF Asha’men/Taim/Forsaken only just worked out the process. But now that they have it, they are pretty sure that they can have Logain 13x13ed by tomorrow. I wonder if the Androl/Pherva double Bond will maybe make them even more 13x13 resistant? It sure was irritating to see Androl/Pherva finally link and hear him say “I wonder if I can make a Gateway now” then just waste time picking up and moving things around. “We are trapped in the Pit of Doom!!! I might have a way out!!!! But first I want to play with things” LOL
  4. While I am mostly convinced that Lucker’s dreaded body Swap theory is the way it will go and the one that best fills all the requirements. I have high hopes for Nynaeve pushing him out of TAR, like Moghedien did to Birgitte. It gives new meaning to “Waking from the Dream” line that has been mentioned throughout the series. Not only that, but Mogy also mentioned using TAR to turn Nynaeve into a horse. So what if just as Nynaeve is about to “push” Rand out of TAR, he thinks to himself “I am the Dragon!!” while thinking about the creatures on his arms/banner, and like Perin has done several times unconsciously, TAR Rand changes into a Real Dragon just as Nynaeve gives that final push. ZAP he appears in the world as a Saidin weilding, True Power wielding, Heron Sword wielding Dragon. You think that the Forsaken shit their pants when they saw the Big Fade. What will they do when confronted with THE DRAGON!!! As an added plus, if they cut his fireball weave, he can Beltch at them with DRAGON FIRE. And if Avi waits until after the LB to bed him, she can have a litter of 4 Dragons! Great way to make sure her “Vision” does not come true. It also explains Mins vision of 4 “strange” babies! That would be so hilariously cool and juvenile at the same time. I don’t know if I could stop laughing. COME ON GUYS we have to burn time waiting for the book, what else (Book clues) can we tie into this silly theory! Terez -- just let me know if you want this moved out of your thread.
  5. I am going against the flow here I think, but this bit could be referencing the 2 evils. The DO and Fain. Aside from that, here is another thought. Not sure if this variant of a solution has been discussed before, but I'm sure someone will let me know. First, Rand's solution has to be by mechanisms already incorporated into the story. Second, the Bore into the DOs prison is not a physical thing but instead a weakness between this reality and the DO's world. When and where (story wise) have we heard of something that matches this description? Answer: When Morgy was punished by the DO after being captured and enslaved by Ny. She had been stuck in a Veracule(sp), a little Bubble Universe, and it scared her. She had memories of such things being created during the AoL for scientific research, but they were incredibly dangerous, as they can break off of this reality and be lost (according to her) forever. What is the Bore was connection to the Creator's Vericule Bubble where the Creator had originally sealed the DO away (prison), that had drifted back to the "reality" bubble and was resting against it (as bubbles can do), Rand will know about such things since he has AoL memories, but he has to clear away his "old patch", before he fights the DO & shoves the DO into a new Veracule (or maybe just cuts the DOs old Veracule loose). Also, I do not agree with some people on the board, that feel that the DO can't be destroyed. I know many will not like it, but I see Fain (a new thing to the Pattern), being thrust into the DO's Bubble just before the connection is cut from the reality" bubble and I hope, that (just like what happened at SL, they cancel each other out. But since they are disconnected from the Reality bubble, it keeps the world from being destroyed. Also, I do not agree with some people on the board, that feel that the DO can't be destroyed. I know many will not like it, but I see Fain (a new thing to the Pattern), being thrust into the DO's Bubble just before the connection is cut from the "reality" bubble and I hope, that (just like what happened at SL, they cancel each other out. But since they are disconnected from the Reality bubble, it keeps the world from being destroyed. Yes I know that the DO is much more powerful than Fain, but Fain has been gaining power very rapidly and seems to have recently have picked up/melded two additional "evils" Mashgar fog and possably the "Black Wind". Regardless of that, the DO may be signifficantly reduced in power after this latest run in with the Dragon. You might say that the WoT world "needs" the DO for balance. I dis-agree, there is already plenty of evil and selfishness in the world (real or WoT) without having an extra DO portion. Feel free to pounce now as I am not overly attached to this theory. Just passing time while I wait very impatiently!!!!
  6. In Avi's visions of the future, the first several lives (the fartherest in the future) there seemed to be little or I think NO mention of channelers or of anyone having the ability. The last one that made mentions the One Power, was where the person was (shamefully) wishing that she had the ability, but it does not say if anyone else has the ability. (I do not have the book on me, so I am just going by memory (not a good option), so I could be wrong, but in the vision of Avi's we may be seeing the loss of ability. Has anyone ever anaylysed/discussed this aspect of her vision?
  7. If Logain was linked up with his AS, Taim would not kick his ass. It would be the other way around. In my View that is the entire reason for him bonding 2, where the others bonded only 1. Logain is only a little less than Rand, Taim is even closer to Rand in the Power, but with a circle with 2 AS, Logain should more than match Taim.
  8. I see where you are going on this - I do not agree per se, but the fact is the Pattern uses - Everything - to accomplish its end. Especially I have noticed that it (Pattern) seems to use everything that the DO does to do something. The DOs taint on Saidin - used to create Rand/LT Bubbles of Evil - used to delay Perin & crew so they did not fall into the Trap. SL - provided way for Rand to Clense sadin. The Taint on the Ways - has eaten hundreds of thousands of Trollocks and Fades. Ishy/Mordin used to train Rand and then used give Rand connection to the True power. Elaida - used to keep rand away from the AS until he was ready.
  9. They may have destroyed it ot with all that uncontrolled/undirected Power flying around they may have accedentially triggered the "off" switch. Either way it would have been succeptable because it was in the real world & not TAR. Didn't Rand Stash all of those in Cairhien under a ward after Mory "died"?
  10. Add in the factor that even though Traveling was lost to the public after the Breaking, it was not lost to Ishy. And he was Freed multiple times, giving him the ability to Travel all over, spreading whichever (altered) copies he chose to whatever places he chose. We should not underestimate how far he went until he says differently - if he ever does.
  11. I don't think that this logic works, because a very high percentage of that hundred were found to have the ability. Taim commented about it, saying that Rand's Tavern must be at work. You are misunderstanding. This is only in reference to men who passed the test. Narishma was the first with the spark inborn - the 'well over a hundred' could all channel. Got it now, I misunderstood what you were saying. Need more coffee.
  12. I am glad to finally see this as well, but considering how much Power was poured into it (that was a Big Circle of channelers), I hope it does a little more than add a little burn to the Shadowspawn that he hits. Did anyone notice that while he was just sitting around THINKING about Shadowspawn that the hammer started warming up?
  13. I don't think that this logic works, because a very high percentage of that hundred were found to have the ability. Taim commented about it, saying that Rand's Tavern must be at work.
  14. Well if he was one of the "False Dragons" then yes he would have been actively channeling. But he could have been one of those men (sparker maybe) that had not really started conciously channeling, but the BA may have grabbed him & tried to Zap him. He may have never created a gateway before/or maybe he did, but when they cut him, they may have cut the "earth" part of his "link". Explaining why he is so week ing "Earth". He may have realized that after they were done - he could still sense the Source, explaining why he became so secretive. Not really sure how it would all fit together. More likely there is some other reason, but I thought I would toss it out there for people to think about. It is not necessary for me to like him, but with all the "gentling" & BA stuff that went on 20 years ago, it would be interesting "to me" to hear about some BA screw ups. After all, AS did try to gentle Elias.
  15. Androl so far is an interesting character. He does not HAVE to be some super channeler, (Except for his gateways which do make him super as is) but his thought bubbles/POVs do show that something intreging is going on. He just makes too much of a point to "play down" his worldly expierence. While reading this thread, I just had a stray thought. I am not saying that it is true - actually I doubt it, but just wanted to toss it out. Could there have been another "False Dragon" or one of those hapless male channelers that the BA found 20 years ago & "gentled". Now of course, if he was "gentled" he should not be able to channel, but what if they screwed up the process? The BA was going wild at the time and doing a lot of stuff in secret, maybe a group of them did not have enough Power to do the job right, but they did not realize it? Or a part of the "Messy Stuff" we heard about that occured 20 years ago? RJ/BS like to toss in suprises that have links throughout the story, so I'm not sure if this thought is too far off the Deep End. But whatever happens, I would like to hear more on Androl - find out the reason that he is so secretive with people that he otherwise seems to like. Since he is the ONLY CHARACTER in ALL the books that EVER does that! :)
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