Aes Sedai damane

[Nightstrike]

From my understanding, the only way a Sul'dam could "channel through the Damane" was if she was conscious of her own ability to Channel.  When Egwene was captured, and throughout her experience, I garnished the impression that, although the Sul'dam was incontrol, it was the Damane who was channeling and controlling the flows.  When Nyn captured Mogh., she was in control of the flows yes, but I think that had to do with her knowing how to channel herself and knowing the deeper intricacies of how the link in the A'dam worked.

The sul'dam don't channel. They are learners, and they never actually cross the line and begin channeling. It's all the damane's own channeling.

 

But then again, with the 500 Shaido Wise Ones that are now damane, the Seanchan may be willing to give up former Aes Sedai who are useless in battles since they now have a fresh batch of channnelers with no restrictions on combat.

They are going to bring forth a long line of women wearing the shawl, and force them to call lightning upon the White Tower. That could happen if they, for instance, endanger themselves. Or, maybe it's just Accepted in the line?

 

Also, lets remember, that its possible one of the Aes Sedai captured might slip the info that the Three Oaths can be removed via the Oath Rod.  I am not sure if this was well known (I seem to recall that the Reds in the WT who were hunting for Black Ajah didn't know the Oath Road was successful in releasting the oaths until they tested...I think).  However, if it becomes known among the Seanchan, its another reason why a stealth (from air) attack on the White Tower might be conducted.  Release the collared Aes Sedai from the Oaths and not only can they be used as Weapons, but you release them from the main thing they use to even define themselves as Aes Sedai.  

Exactly. That was what I've been thinking as well.

 

 

 

[Blackhoof]

I dont even think that the Aes Sedai know that oaths can be removed. It probably never occured to them.

[Nightstrike]

The Shadow know, and they've got everything to gain from sharing that information.

[Blackhoof]

But Pevara and Seaine didn't know, they reasoned it out, and if the Tower knew the oaths could be removed, it would be public knowledge to all sisters.

[Nightstrike]

I think the DO would be interested in sharing the information.

[Blackhoof]

But for some reason, he has kept it secret. If the sisters know that an oath can be removed, then that provides evidence that the BA exists, something that the BA dont want.

[Nightstrike]

But for some reason, he has kept it secret.

To the Light's Aes Sedai, yes. But has he told the sul'dam?

 

 

[Blackhoof]

So far as we know, he hasn't.

[mb]

if the Tower knew the oaths could be removed, it would be public knowledge to all sisters.

Not necessarily.  A portion of the Tower's knowledge is kept in its 13th depository.

And the Black Ajah hunters have not told of the discovery among their own Ajahs; nor has the Black Ajah.

 

[Mr. Micawber]

if the Tower knew the oaths could be removed, it would be public knowledge to all sisters.

Not necessarily.  A portion of the Tower's knowledge is kept in its 13th depository.

And the Black Ajah hunters have not told of the discovery among their own Ajahs; nor has the Black Ajah.

 

 

Seaine and Pevara are long time Sitters. The 13th Depository is supposed to be open to Amyrlins, Keepers, and the Hall.

 

If it's in the 13th, they might have known about it. Or maybe not, because it seems everyone in this series is deliberately ill-informed whenever they can manage it.

[Charlz Guybon]

They are going to bring forth a long line of women wearing the shawl, and force them to call lightning upon the White Tower. That could happen if they, for instance, endanger themselves. Or, maybe it's just Accepted in the line?

 

Wasn't that from one of Egwene's dreams, a dream dreamt quite a while ago? Unlike Min's viewing or Foretelling, dreams are not certain. They only tell of what might happen, I don't think this will happen.

 

They'd have to attack the Rebel camp successful for that to happen, and that camp has nearly 1300 women who can channel in it, surrounded by 25,000 soldiers. I just can't see that as plausible.

[Luckers]

It was a long line of women wearing the Great Serpant ring. And yes, it was a dream, and thus could easily be false.

 

If its not false it could involve the captured Kin who passed the Accepted test. The Seanchan have conquered the land they were the most concentrated in. They may have over a hundred damane who have passed the test for Acceptance.

 

Now, yes, none of them wear their ring, and they are supposed to melt them, but consider, damane don't wear jewellry. Aes Sedai or Accepted, whoever those women Egwene dreamed of were, they will not physically be wearing their rings when they are forced to call lightning on it.

 

From that we can deduce that whoever these women are, they are women who have simply passed the Acceptance test. Given the Oaths that makes it unlikely they were Aes Sedai (or at least non-black Aes Sedai).

 

Another explanation is that the lightning is metaphoric, and that the dream simply means Aes Sedai will be forced to work against the Tower.

[Nightstrike]

It was a long line of women wearing the Great Serpant ring. And yes, it was a dream, and thus could easily be false.

Oopss. Sorry, I should have said the ring. It could be false, but I don't think it will be.

 

If its not false it could involve the captured Kin who passed the Accepted test. The Seanchan have conquered the land they were the most concentrated in. They may have over a hundred damane who have passed the test for Acceptance.

Yes, or they could simply endanger themselves.

 

From that we can deduce that whoever these women are, they are women who have simply passed the Acceptance test. Given the Oaths that makes it unlikely they were Aes Sedai (or at least non-black Aes Sedai).

I don't find it unreasonable that the Shadow has something to add in these matters. A way to get rid of the oaths.

 

 

[Luckers]

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If its not false it could involve the captured Kin who passed the Accepted test. The Seanchan have conquered the land they were the most concentrated in. They may have over a hundred damane who have passed the test for Acceptance.

 

Yes, or they could simply endanger themselves.

 

Systematic endangerment of all their bound Aes Sedai damane would be difficult to pull off, and why would they bother when they have so many unbound damane.

 

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From that we can deduce that whoever these women are, they are women who have simply passed the Acceptance test. Given the Oaths that makes it unlikely they were Aes Sedai (or at least non-black Aes Sedai).

 

I don't find it unreasonable that the Shadow has something to add in these matters. A way to get rid of the oaths.

 

I see it as unlikely. That being said, if the oath rod is lost to the Seanchan during the attack it might make for an interesting plot twist.

[Nightstrike]

Didn't RJ say that the Seanchan can only make one ter'angreal, and that they've never thought of making another? Well, now they have a reason to make another one.

 

The ability to channel, as well as several Talents, are more common in Seanchan. I bet there are several damane that can make ter'angreal.

[Luckers]

Due to the duplication of the male a'dam, we know they exist, and that some of them number amongst the damane brought in the Corenne--indeed, that makes sense, they'd want to be able to make more a'dam on this side of the ocean.

 

I still don't see it as likely, however.

[Nightstrike]

We don't have to wait long for the answer now. :)

[Blackhoof]

Indeed. All will be revealed in the next book. Well, everything OTHER than what will be revealed in the two books after it. Damn.  ;)

[Nightstrike]

The Seanchan attack will happen in the next book. And I'm sure we will get a lot more than that revealed in the next book. But I'm not worried that we won't have a lot to discuss after book 12. :D

[Luckers]

Two weeks. Damn.

[Blackhoof]

And then two years after that. Damn.  :(  Oh, well, they are worth the wait.  ;D

[ROB_88]

just a quick idea.

 

what if the Seanchan land down on the Tower grounds and then simply any Aes Sedai left after the first wave of attacks will attack the Seanchan troops who are threathening other Aes Sedai, and since they are in the Tower it will seem as if they are throwing lightning at the Tower

[mb]

The Seanchan attack will happen in the next book.

Just to make sure, by 'next book' you mean the upcoming one (book 12) or the one after that (book 13)?

 

[Blackhoof]

Indeed, it DOES seem a big leap for them to reach across half a continent to attack the WT, they would want too, but unless they conquer either Ghealdin and Andor, or Illian, Tear and Cairhien, they dont have an easy way to reach the Tower. Especially since the siege is still going on and Rand is planning to negotiate with them.

[Luckers]

To'raken can land a considerable force on the roof of the Tower in less than fifteen days after a launch out of Tarabon. Have a one to two thousand damane (or more) amongst that group and thats a force which can take and hold the Tower.