Newbie Mafia Game Over!

[cosmicpanda]

Vote Count!

 

Peace (1) Dragonsworn

Dragonsworn (4) Pale, Peace, LZM, Lily

 

Not Voting: Meesh, Green Shirt, Talya, Rose, Midori

 

Note that with 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Talya]

I'm going to have to consider this carefully.

 

firstly, I would like to say that killing Dae, wasn't a big surprise. He hasn't said too much in the game and so his death doesn't leave us much evidence. Except he was keen to lynch an experienced player, so it could be the mafia are trying to point the fingers that way.

 

Back to Peace and Dragon. I'm still not happy with the way Dragon revealed. He did exactly the same on the other game but then he didn't sound like he was going to reveal another role and then come up with something else. It could be a smake screen. To make one mistake happens, (the other game), to make two is not having learnt or a smoke screen and being intelligent! I'm for the last part, I think it was a bit planned.

 

Now to Peace, I also wasn't happy with how he told everyone to unvote Dragon after his reveal, and then suddenly comes back in and votes for him. Again this could be either or, he could have had a quick discussion with his mafia colleagues and decided to counter claim. Or what he said about forgetting his role because hw was in more than one game. I can so understand this. I'm tending to lean towards the latter on this too.

 

That means I find Dragon more suspicious than Peace. Whatever happens, we have a mafia, whether today (which would be much better) or tomorrow.

 

I will hold off on voting for the moment. I don't want to condemn someone when other evidence may still come to light (very unlikely, but it would be nice)

 

 

But the mafia will still keep all of their members and get another nk, with healer gone. An innocent I might be able to save. But two innocents for one mafia seems like a good trade, but just whatever everybody else thinks. I would love to play this game, so consider your votes carefully.

 

The healer isn't gone, we still have them.

[Daetirion]

Damn you Mafia *shakes fist*

 

As i bow out, i hope i was useful, and i shall be following the game with interest. Good luck innocents!

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Talya I meant if I was lynched, than the healer would be gone. Sorry I did not make that clear enough in my previous post

[Talya]

Okay, I thought you were getting confused with the game in the BT, lol

[mnwhiterose]

Who ever the cop is if you viewed one of us, dragon or me, please do not reveal unless the doctor is about to be lynched.   We definitely do not want both the cop and doc exposed so early on the game.

 

this seems to be a bit fishy to me. First, we have 2 doctor reveals - who is the real doc? Second, of course you don't want the cop to reveal that you are mafia! So, that makes me think that both peace and Pete are working together.

 

So, for the sake of a lynch (and hopefully we will get a mafia this time around)

 

[glow=red,2,300]Dsworn[/glow]

 

BTW - so going to be happy when the State Fair is over and I can get back to my normal schedule. I hate coming online and having more than 2 pages to read.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

*Claps hands*

 

Well I am for sure there is at least one mafia vote on me, other than peace.

 

*Sarcasm*

 

Way to go town, looks like the mafia is going to take out the healer today. You are letting the mafia get you to vote out the healer and only on day 2, congratulations.

 

*End sarcasm*

 

Are you people blind. peace is clearly using faulty logic to insight a bandwgon. He encouraged everyone to unvote me and then cast what would have been the hammer vote on me, and he was quit proud to do so. Well all I need is one vote left until my lynch. I hate the town won't keep me around, but rest assured peace they are coming for you tomorrow

[cosmicpanda]

Vote Count!

 

Peace (1) Dragonsworn

Dragonsworn (5) Pale, Peace, LZM, Lily, Rose

 

Not Voting: Meesh, Green Shirt, Talya, Midori

 

Note that with 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

*Hums asmo's march of death*

 

Let me ask everyone of you something. I might of had a shakey at best reveal but why does that make me mafia. Whenever peace unvoted me and awaited a counter claim like a good townie and then he tried to be the hammer and lynch me, and then came over the top and said he was the healer.

 

It looked like he was just lying in wait for another reveal but none came so he snatched at the opportunity to exploit my fallacy

[LilyElizabeth]

I'll give you this, Pete. You're cute when you wiggle.  ;D

 

 

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Of course rub it in.

 

I have thought about it and it all fits neatly into place. So neat it must have been orchistrated

 

There was a three way tie between myself pale and peace.

 

One of those I am certain is mafia.

 

Lily's vote on myself and then unvote on peace seemed logical at the time but now it just seems suspicous.

Lily herself this game is seeming very suspicious to me. (But I am sure it is just my fanatacism getting the best of me.)

She just screams mafia at me, the way she plays off of peace,it feels orchestrated.. (If that is not enough for you than please continue to read)

 

I think she is alligned with peace. The created a three way tie, with the help of another mafia member prevented a lynch. (I know that is kind of a good thing for us but read on and see why not.)

 

With the three way tie the mafia is gaurenteed a night kill. I protected myself last night, but the mafia must have anticipated it. I figured if they would have targeted me than my innocence would be proven by me still being alive

 

And then they could pick me off as I was suspicous in day 1. That leaves two townies down, and one with a power role. With the healer gone they could run rampant at night. So therefore I leave my vote on peace, and lily should be looked at. Other than that I don't have an inkling who is on the mafia. I have my suspects but nothing concrete

 

I edited this because I had the same thing on there twice. I did not want my logic to be clouded by the illusion of desperation.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Just so everyone is aware me talking about my fanaticism was sarcasm, and that is what the might try and pull on getting the hammer vote they need.

 

p.s. Not telling the finder how to do their job but please if you have not done so, view one of the two I listed.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm not arguing with you while you wiggle, Dragon. This is pointless. If anyone else has real questions for me, I'll address them.

 

Town, you're all smart enough to see the holes in all that. It's just smoke. And poorly blown smoke at that. Dragon, you're losing your slippery touch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Lily all I can do is tim my hat, *Tips hat* at you and your fellow mafioso.

 

It looks like your scheme is working perfectly.

 

It is just a shame I am not going to be given a real chance. It looks like the mafia bandwagon is going to win out.

 

And as far as holes go Lily, would you please point them out to me.

I can not see them, and if they are affecting you, I will be glad to adjust or change my theory completely.

 

There is only one thing certain that all the player's know in this game. And that is what alignment pm they receive. I can say I am innocent, but I couldn't say the same for Dae until he was nked.

 

I just hate that my mucking of things is going to cause the town to lose the healer role. And Lily if I ever get out of this I will show you two things.

 

1) I can not do the worm

 

and

 

2) The mafia team will get what is coming to them. Because on my lynch the town will just go after peace next day phase and after that they will come for you.

[Talya]

I'm finding you both suspicious now after that little to and fro :)

 

I'm not going to put the final hammer on you dragon, I want to give everyone time to see this and give the finder a chance to save you, if they viewed you or Peace last night. I would hopw everyone would wait a while on that front.

 

Of course the Finder may have chosen to look else where and so they aren't going to come forward in this anyway. But either way we get a mafia, whether today or tomorrow. It is a great loss to lose the healer, but we also have the chance of getting rid of one of the mafia too.

 

If Dragon does come back as guilty I would take a guess at Lily being mafia too.

[a pale tanned lover]

I can understand your logic Dragon for who you believe is mafia, but there would be no point the finder looking at peace because if you were by some fluke the healer then we would know for a fact he was mafia, so at least your death won't be in vain.

 

Lily i'm not to sure about if she is mafia or not, your main point for her being mafia is because she won't agree with you, i also think it could be worthwhile looking at the people who aren't voting or posting.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm finding you both suspicious now after that little to and fro :)

 

I'm not going to put the final hammer on you dragon, I want to give everyone time to see this and give the finder a chance to save you, if they viewed you or Peace last night. I would hopw everyone would wait a while on that front.

 

I have a newbie question that I've tried to avoid asking, but I really have to. Short of a reveal, how would the finder impart this information to the town? I've been wondering that for a while, and I just can't figure out how it can be done.

 

 

[a pale tanned lover]

Thats seems suspicious what your saying Talya because then the finder and healer will both be revealed, maybe the finder has already viewed and has their vote on Dsworm. Thats really sounds like your mafia Talya.

 

Theres no way for a finder to reveal Lily, without giving their role away.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Pale in one of your previous posts pale, you said there would be no point in the mafia looking at peace to know if I am the healer.

 

I don't understand your logic, I really don't. And I am not just targeting players I disagree with, because we all have disagreements. If I were to say, I would say lily and peace are mafia with a mystery member.

 

I just have that feeling. Lily and peace just seem to be playing off of each other too well. And I would rather not be lynched at all. But if that is what it takes, than the town is going to receive a great loss before it wakes up and decides to listen to me

[a pale tanned lover]

I was just commenting on how things stand at the moment, with regards to the votes on you. If you get lynched and your mafia then it would seem that peace is the healer. If your the healer then peace is the mafia.

there would be no point the finder looking at peace

My quote

you said there would be no point in the mafia looking at peace

Your quote

 

Your trying to lead people into thinking i said something i didn't.

 

 

[LilyElizabeth]

Thats seems suspicious what your saying Talya because then the finder and healer will both be revealed, maybe the finder has already viewed and has their vote on Dsworm. Thats really sounds like your mafia Talya.

 

Theres no way for a finder to reveal Lily, without giving their role away.

 

I thought that was odd, too. 

 

Okay, here's what I'm thinking now, analytical player that I've been called. We have a finder in this game, most likely. So, night one, they checked either Dragonsworn or Peace. I mean, honestly, do you really think they looked at anyone else? Would that really make sense? They voted according to what they learned. Well, folks, the only one who has voted for anyone other than Dragon is Dragon! Could he honestly be the doctor and the finder, both? Nope. Therefore, I conclude that the finder must have found out that Dragon is mafia, and don't wish to reveal themselves. Either that or they haven't voted yet. My money's on door number one. And so is my vote.

 

 

 

 

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I was just commenting on how things stand at the moment, with regards to the votes on you. If you get lynched and your mafia then it would seem that peace is the healer. If your the healer then peace is the mafia.

there would be no point the finder looking at peace

My quote

you said there would be no point in the mafia looking at peace

Your quote

 

Your trying to lead people into thinking i said something i didn't.

 

 

 

Actually no. I just couldn't make sense of your post. Thanks for the clarification though.

 

Thats seems suspicious what your saying Talya because then the finder and healer will both be revealed, maybe the finder has already viewed and has their vote on Dsworm. Thats really sounds like your mafia Talya.

 

Theres no way for a finder to reveal Lily, without giving their role away.

 

I thought that was odd, too. 

 

Okay, here's what I'm thinking now, analytical player that I've been called. We have a finder in this game, most likely. So, night one, they checked either Dragonsworn or Peace. I mean, honestly, do you really think they looked at anyone else? Would that really make sense? They voted according to what they learned. Well, folks, the only one who has voted for anyone other than Dragon is Dragon! Could he honestly be the doctor and the finder, both? Nope. Therefore, I conclude that the finder must have found out that Dragon is mafia, and don't wish to reveal themselves. Either that or they haven't voted yet. My money's on door number one. And so is my vote.

 

 

WHat if the finder hasn't posted yet? Activity is a simple answer to your anxious and mafia logic. Of course you would like people to believe that, and that way you and peace and your mafia buddy could slip under the radar for another night, and then you even getting the healer lynched. Wow, you rhink you qould be pulling something major off.

 

I am not asking for sympathy, I am asking for the town to look and see what makes sense.

 

[Talya]

A little note on the game. When I have usually played and the Finder has a mafia they will claim the role and say they have a mafia (they DO NOT claim if they have an innocent.) I have played in to many games where the finder had a mafia and kept quiet and then found another and then got night killed and didn't give the town any info. The town lost and the mafia won (what a surpise)

 

This is a newbie game so we are talking about basic roles, and no twists as you get with some of the more advanced games. Yes people do counter claim, but that is the nature of the role.

 

There is no point being finder throughout the game and never revealing your role, and what you have found, you are then as good as any other townie, unless you are good at twisting people to vote for who you have found out without letting them know, risky buisness and chances are slim!

 

I was waiting for all people to look in and vote or at least say something, so that we knew that everyopne had seen it, then we would have known by the votes which was the finder. However if a mafia should come in a vote on Peace say, does that mean that Dragon is innocent still. No it doesn't. Thats why I was waiting for a claim.

 

The Finder could have easily gone with someone else. At the end of the day we would be getting a mafia today or tomorrow, so they may feel to try and see if someone else is too. If they strike it lucky we would be quids in. It is not the position of anyone but the finder to decide who they view. So I'm not putting it past any scenario to have taken place.

 

I'm more than certain that Dragon is mafia, but I would rather save the healer just incase I'm wrong by having the correct info. It would give the finder at least one more night to find a mafia, maybe even more.

 

[Talya]

Three haven't posted after night yet. Meesh, Green shirt and Midori, unless I have missed something.

 

I'm going to take a gamble with this. [glow=red,2,300]Dragon[/glow] I think that puts the nail in the coffin so to speak...

[a pale tanned lover]

*crosses fingers*