Perrin's Dream

[Ziggdiezan]

Do you remember perrin's dream in the dragon reborn when he is in all of the crazy armour? with like the lion helmet or something. Do you think that is what Perrin would of looked like if he didnt throw away his axe?

 

 

[jaybig]

I think the dream you are talking about is the one where Lanfear is trying to manipulate Perrin.  She did not know about Perrins roots and figures every man can be won over with the promise of wealth and power.

 

That being said, No.  Perrin would never allow himself to be dressed like that.

[mb]

Is this the dream?

A tall, slender man in richly embroidered coat and boots with gold fringe; most of the time he held what seemed to be a sword, shining like the sun, and laughed triumphantly. Sometimes the man sat on a throne, and kings and queens groveled before him. These felt strange, as if they were not really his dreams at all.

 

If so, it seems more about Rand than about Perrin.

 

[Hybrid]

Is this the dream?

A tall, slender man in richly embroidered coat and boots with gold fringe; most of the time he held what seemed to be a sword, shining like the sun, and laughed triumphantly. Sometimes the man sat on a throne, and kings and queens groveled before him. These felt strange, as if they were not really his dreams at all.

 

If so, it seems more about Rand than about Perrin.

IIRC, that's Be'lal's dream.

[mb]

Is this the dream?

A tall, slender man in richly embroidered coat and boots with gold fringe; most of the time he held what seemed to be a sword, shining like the sun, and laughed triumphantly. Sometimes the man sat on a throne, and kings and queens groveled before him. These felt strange, as if they were not really his dreams at all.

 

If so, it seems more about Rand than about Perrin.

IIRC, that's Be'lal's dream.

Belal did not have dreams.

 

[dholm]

Is this the dream?

A tall, slender man in richly embroidered coat and boots with gold fringe; most of the time he held what seemed to be a sword, shining like the sun, and laughed triumphantly. Sometimes the man sat on a throne, and kings and queens groveled before him. These felt strange, as if they were not really his dreams at all.

 

If so, it seems more about Rand than about Perrin.

IIRC, that's Be'lal's dream.

Belal did not have dreams.

 

What basis do you draw this conclusion from? The description of the dream as well as the feeling Perrin has that it is not his dream fits perfectly with what Moiraine explains about powerful channelers and how their dreams can be shared by people around them if care is not taken in warding them. Sammael certainly didn't care about it, and I doubt Be'lal would.

[mb]

Is this the dream?

A tall, slender man in richly embroidered coat and boots with gold fringe; most of the time he held what seemed to be a sword, shining like the sun, and laughed triumphantly. Sometimes the man sat on a throne, and kings and queens groveled before him. These felt strange, as if they were not really his dreams at all.

 

If so, it seems more about Rand than about Perrin.

IIRC, that's Be'lal's dream.

Belal did not have dreams.

What basis do you draw this conclusion from?

I checked Belal's page on the Encyclopaedia site before posting that.

The page did not list any dreams.

 

Just checked the page for the chapter.

This is the explanation:

Most likely it is Sammael's dreams Perrin is picking up. Sammael always wished himself to be tall.

 

Edit: Belal might have been in Tear when the dream occurred, Perrin was in Illian; Belal would not have been strong enough to channel that far.

 

[Mr Ares]

The explanaiton provided on Encyclopaadia-wot is this:

# A tall, slender man in richly embroidered coat and boots with gold fringe; most of the time he held what seemed to be a sword, shining like the sun, and laughed triumphantly. Sometimes the man sat on a throne, and kings and queens groveled before him. These felt strange, as if they were not really his dreams at all.2

 

2. Most likely it is Sammael's dreams Perrin is picking up. Sammael always wished himself to be tall.

 

Given that they were in Sammaels' city, Illian, and that we know he didn't bother wearding his dreams, this is a reasonable conclusion.

[Thor]

forsaken ward their dreams, i don't see how perrin could have seen it.  if egwene or the other dreamwalkers can't do it, why should perrin, given he has less control over his dreams and TAR.

[mb]

if egwene or the other dreamwalkers can't do it

I think any channeler has the ability to ward dreams; those likely do not have the knowledge.

 

[Mr Ares]

forsaken ward their dreams.

Not all of them do.

[Thor]

if egwene or the other dreamwalkers can't do it

I think any channeler has the ability to ward dreams; those likely do not have the knowledge.

 

 

i'm saying if egwene/dreamwalkers can't break through the wards. what's wrong with people's comprehension here >_<

 

and where did it say only some of the forsakens ward their dreams?  do you really think they survived all the backstabbing without warding their dreams?  i can imagine moghedian having a field day if that's the case.

[Kadere]

Sammael purposefully doesn't ward his dreams to terrorize and demoralize the people of Illian. Be'lal also doesn't so as to make the people of Tear worship him.

 

And the dream Zigg is refering to is the one where Perrin talks to Lanfear and Ishamael. Perrin only would have looked like that if he'd gone over to Lanfear and she actually gave him everything she was promising.

[Hybrid]

Edit: Belal might have been in Tear when the dream occurred, Perrin was in Illian; Belal would not have been strong enough to channel that far.

Ah, the dream occurred in Illian.  For some reason I thought it was from Tear (probably because of Callandor).  I stand corrected.

[mb]

if egwene or the other dreamwalkers can't do it

I think any channeler has the ability to ward dreams; those likely do not have the knowledge.

i'm saying if egwene/dreamwalkers can't break through the wards. what's wrong with people's comprehension here >_<

The post does not mention breaking through wards, only warding dreams.

The full post::

forsaken ward their dreams, i don't see how perrin could have seen it.  if egwene or the other dreamwalkers can't do it, why should perrin, given he has less control over his dreams and TAR.

 

It seems that at least strong channelers that know how can break through wards. Or at least channelers that know Moiraine's trick.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

ya the dream im talking about is in the dragon reborn, shadows sleeping, page 67.

"he stared into the mirror, a part of him not comprehending what he saw, another part accepting. A gilded helmet, worked like a lion's head, sat on his head as if it belonged there. gold leaf covered his ornately hammered breastplate, and gold-work embellished the plate and mail on his arms and legs. only the axe at his side was plain. a voice -his own- whispered in his mind that he would take it over any other weapon, had carried it a thousand times, in a hundred battles."

 

that one.

[balefireruinssteaks]

Perhaps the dream was himself drawing on his own ancestry - probably people who were warriors.  The Aiel say that Perrin dances the spears very well for a wetlander.  The dream says that he had worn the armour a thousand times in a hundred battles.

 

As Rand saw his own lineage, perhaps this was Perrin's line of ancestry.

[Padraic_Seebrr]

The difference is that Rand saw it through a Ter'angreal that was meant to do just that, show important parts of his ancestors lives. Perrin was being manipulated by Lanfear, and I believe right before he saw this he was speaking to Baalzamon as well.