Hollywood 1940's Mafia! Game Over!

[Verbal32]

Incorrect again, my friend.  I voted you when you suggested a No Lynch....which is VASTLY different from a random lynch.

 

 

 

 

...and how are you reminded of Vemy?  :-\

[CUBAREY]

I Frankly do not think that DPR is actually guilty, MN would of said anything to save herself. i bet if we lynch DPR and the coroner finds him guilty she will claim that she is an innocent townie a finder and insane.

 

Another thoguht just occured to me are DPR and Verbal palying a varient of Kevim's gambit?

 

I will come back later and see where the vote stands to make my final decision but I really do not like this last minute find by MN it not only smells scummy but as if it was coordinated with other players.

[Verbal32]

The following makes no sense:

 

i bet if we lynch DPR and the coroner finds him guilty she will claim that she is an innocent townie a finder and insane.

 

Uh, mnwhiterose revealed as Finder.  If Wes is guilty, why on Earth would she claim insane?  Huh?

 

 

Symp.

[DPR]

Okay, I can't let these suckers take me down without a parting shot. Thoughts of Vemy inspired me.

 

And Vemy would do this:  ;D

 

MN's first post after night one, when as the supposed Finder, she would have already known I was mafia

 

 

My best scenario right now is that the mafia killed Talya because she is an experienced player. Then, somebody (and it could have even been Talya as a Jack-of-all-trades) killed Sarayne, probably for being a low-layer and hoping to take a lucky shot.  This is speculation, but I think we are dealing with an experienced player, even if the hits were reversed.

 

This seems to be a rather specific explanation to me.  How do we know that mafia killed Talya unless, in fact, you are mafia, Wes, and just tipped your hand?  As you said, we could have a serial killer or a vigilante on our hands.  Why specifically target mafia as Talya's killer?

 

[glow=red,2,300]DPR[/glow]

 

Hmmm. Does this look like the post a person would make if they were a finder and just found a mafia?  I'll grant you, missing the whole "of course the mafia hit Talya" point does smack of a newbish play style, but then if you are a newb, how is it that you are so cool with hiding that you are the finder and you scored a mafia. Inquiring minds want to know... :P

 

Let's move on to her second post, shall we?

 

So, MN, what is your game history?

 

This is my 3rd game, quite honestly.  

 

I agree that her quickness to vote for him for a theory that is more than likely true is a bit suspicious.

 

As for my quickness to pose a vote - I'm not one to stay in the shadows and lurk while in game mode.  Last round I voted No Lynch to see who would pop up on my radar and to get more information as to possible mafia members.  

 

mnwhiterose - just when I'm still thinking Wes is hiding something, you make me think I've got things backwards.

 

 

Verbal: I'd go with your first instinct.  Usually proves to be the right answer.  When we second guess ourselves, that's when we make mistakes.

 

Answering my questions - that's good. But here we have a little sticker:

I'm not one to stay in the shadows and lurk while in game mode

 Except, of course, when you are the finder and you have discovered a mafia? Then you choose not to tell anyone? Ooooookayyyyy.

 

We also see the Mn / Verbal convo starting here. He makes an attempt to distance himself form her, but they still have that chummy thing going. Nice, huh?

 

Here's her third post on Day 2:

 

Which leads me to my next observation (They are my opinions, but they are generally accepted. Feel free to disagree as always)

 

See, this is what pings my radar about you, Wes.  When your opinions are generally accepted and you are mafia, that usually doesn't bode well for the innocents.  People will tend to agree with you because everyone likes you.  As for disagreeing with you, this is my first game playing against you, so I really can't agree or disagree as to your opinions.

 

And thanks for the tips.    :)

 

Just a quick question, though. Why does it seem you are the timekeeper? You seem to be on track with how much longer we have to vote? Do you always do this?

 

Honestly, what does this even mean? Who knows...but what we do know is that this is not a post you would make if you knew that the person you were answering to was mafia! If she was really the finder, she would have announced it! What was she waiting for?

 

Thus, my comment that said that they planned a flase reveal the entire time - to frame me and suss out the real finder - I just can't believe anyone is buying it. But wait...it gets better. Here's her next post.

 

So, because I stay logged in while I'm at work and don't post because I'm at work, that makes me mafia?

 

Am I missing something in the rules that states I have to post every time I'm online?  Or is this some sort of newbie hazing?   :o

 

Yeah, its newbie hazing. You vote for me based on nothing and proceed to rather openly attack with Verbal. But I'm hazing you...though I will give you points for going for the "poor defenseless me" sympathy vote. Maybe not such a newb after all, eh? But I digress...next post:

 

Mn... its almost 100 percent likely that the mafia is who took out Talya simply because the other target was linked to a mafia. They would never knowingly take out a mafia's link.  That means when one dies the other dies.  Granted sometimes the lovers have to find each other... but like Dpr said... you'd be WIFOM'ing all day about that.

 

 

I agree that her quickness to vote for him for a theory that is more than likely true is a bit suspicious.

 

Knowingly - I bolded this word because it seemed important.  So, what if they didn't know they were lovers?  What if they "had to find each other"?  Or maybe the mafia figured it was a calculated risk in order to throw off the game play of the rest of us by killing off one of their own.

 

Yes, a WIFOM scenario.

 

As for my quickness to vote for Wes, he pinged my radar and I went with my gut.  

 

Allow me to paint a picture here - Sweet and innocent little Mn is the finder. She has findered me on night 1, and found that I am mafia! This is only her third game, and she has bagged (pardon if I do enjoy a bit of my own reputation here...) one of the most notorious, dare I say dreaded, mafiosos in the game!

 

And yet, she's as cool as a cucumber. She doesn't even flinch - it's almost like...she's not really the finder at all.

As for my quickness to vote for Wes, he pinged my radar and I went with my gut. [\quote]

 

Now we get into the posts where she tries to play innocnet, is ping-ponging back and forth with Verby, and generally scrambling as the votes build up against her.  And when they (she and Verby) realize it's down to the wire, we get this absolute gem of a reveal:

 

Well, since keeping quiet obviously won't help me, I'm going to come out and say it.  I viewed Wes during the night phase and was told he is mafia.  

 

Yes, I'm trying to save my own skin, and I'll probably be night-killed for it, but I'm hoping to take Wes with me.  Can't have a known mafia running around.

 

Does this have any "AH HA! I have you know, scum!" punch to it? Or is this the weakest, most flaccid excuse for a finder reveal ever?  Honestly, I believe that MN is new to the game. And this sounds an awful lot like someone is putting words in her mouth. I'll bet you  a nickel it's Verbal.  ;)

 

This is why I hate to go down like this - I understand how the game is played, and i'm glad that my lynch will be the undoing of these two. But I did wnat to get at least one good run in before I'm gone. If I get inspired, I'll do Verbal. But that one will be alot longer - gawd, there's soooo much to say about those.  :-*

 

 

 

 

 

 

[peacesells]

lol...really Wes...all those things you just posted support her case as newb finder better than yours as newb mafia.  She quick voted (typical newb who got mafia results. )Bread crumbed her role with the "it's a gut feeling" statement.  And so on.  In fact...you state she can't be the finder because she didn't come out and reveal once she found a target?  Please...you are acting like a newb now.  It's a finders responsibilty to stay hidden.  She knows this.  Why in the world would she come out unless being in danger of being lynched.

[Verbal32]

Ha!  I love it.

 

One problem:  if I was mafia and "directing" mnwhiterose, don't you think I would have made the reveal a little more solid?  I agree that it wasn't the best reveal of all time, and I certainly would have done it differently to lend more credence to it.  Think about that.  I wouldn't have let her reveal like that.  I'll also beg your pardon, but I'm pretty good at this game, too.  ;)  Perhaps not yet at your level, but enough to better coach a newbie player.....which I'm therefore obviously not doing.

 

Now I know why you think Vemy - he likes to make comments on somebody's every post, lol.

 

 

lol...really Wes...all those things you just posted support her case as newb finder better than yours as newb mafia.   She quick voted (typical newb who got mafia results. )Bread crumbed her role with the "it's a gut feeling" statement.  And so on.   In fact...you state she can't be the finder because she didn't come out and reveal once she found a target?  Please...you are acting like a newb now.  It's a finders responsibilty to stay hidden.  She knows this.  Why in the world would she come out unless being in danger of being lynched.

 

I like this guy.  :D

[DPR]

lol...really Wes...all those things you just posted support her case as newb finder better than yours as newb mafia.   She quick voted (typical newb who got mafia results. )Bread crumbed her role with the "it's a gut feeling" statement.  And so on.   In fact...you state she can't be the finder because she didn't come out and reveal once she found a target?  Please...you are acting like a newb now.  It's a finders responsibilty to stay hidden.  She knows this.  Why in the world would she come out unless being in danger of being lynched.

 

Uh oh. Look who came out to play.

 

Verbal, you may want to warn your teammates about what I do best. heh

 

[peacesells]

And I find something really funny.  Wes..you play just like Mynd does when on the ropes as scum.  Arguements based on bad logic and obvious twisting of peoples words.

 

BTW...your little addition that "Peacesells may be mafia" as well was nice.  OMGUS.  Anyone who has posted in disagreement with you is obviously mafia.  If you really are town...take it like a man knowing you will help town win.  Cause if you do flip town...MN is next and probably verbal.

[peacesells]

lol...really Wes...all those things you just posted support her case as newb finder better than yours as newb mafia.   She quick voted (typical newb who got mafia results. )Bread crumbed her role with the "it's a gut feeling" statement.  And so on.   In fact...you state she can't be the finder because she didn't come out and reveal once she found a target?  Please...you are acting like a newb now.  It's a finders responsibilty to stay hidden.  She knows this.  Why in the world would she come out unless being in danger of being lynched.

 

Uh oh. Look who came out to play.

 

Verbal, you may want to warn your teammates about what I do best. heh

 

 

Get lynched as scum?

[Verbal32]

LMAO.  You're just slingin' from the hip, aren't ya?  Not even aiming - just firing away at whatever is there.

 

And I find something really funny.  Wes..you play just like Mynd does when on the ropes as scum.  Arguements based on bad logic and obvious twisting of peoples words.

 

BTW...your little addition that "Peacesells may be mafia" as well was nice.  OMGUS.

 

LMAO again.  Except this time I agree.  I didn't even notice the OMGUS, lol.  But the Mynd comment?  Ouch.  :D

[Leelou]

1 hour 15 mins

 

Wes: 5 mn, verbal, liath, peace, hybrid

 

Verbal 2: cub, wes

 

Mn 1: nae

[mnwhiterose]

Honestly, I'm getting conflicting reports on how, as a Finder, I'm supposed to act. I thought that I was supposed to keep my identity a secret, unless I'm about to be lynched. This way, I'm not a target for mafia. Which is what I did. I did view Wes on the first night action, and the information given to me told me that he is mafia. So, without revealing my role too much, I fingered him as mafia right away hoping for a clean lynch. Naive, I realize.

 

Hmmm. Does this look like the post a person would make if they were a finder and just found a mafia?  I'll grant you, missing the whole "of course the mafia hit Talya" point does smack of a newbish play style, but then if you are a newb, how is it that you are so cool with hiding that you are the finder and you scored a mafia. Inquiring minds want to know...

 

All during this round, I've been slammed by various people for not revealing myself right away as the Finder, most of all by Wes. Granted, I probably shouldn't believe a word Wes says because he is the big, bad mafia player and as a newb I probably should fear him, but really.  Come on.

 

Now, I did try my best to play this round without revealing myself, but when no one believes a word out of your mouth, what's a girl to do? So, the cat is out of the bag and on the off-chance that I'm wrong, as stated before, I will vote to lynch myself the next round so that my incorrect viewings won't affect the rest of the townies' decisions.

 

and, for the record - not knowingly working with Verbal on this one. If he's a townie, we'll know soon enough.

[Naeann]

What is the point of a finder?

 

 

When you find the bad guys you let the town know.  Logic.. the GOOD kind.. *eyes people*  would tell you that.

 

Sitting on a found mafia, especially one such as DPR.. is insane.  What's the purpose of even having a finder if you don't do anything with the results?  Shoot me too if I'm wrong but I'm not buying it.

 

My first time as finder I nearly couldn't wait for day to start to reveal when I found a bad guy.

[DPR]

And I find something really funny.  Wes..you play just like Mynd does when on the ropes as scum.  Arguements based on bad logic and obvious twisting of peoples words.

 

BTW...your little addition that "Peacesells may be mafia" as well was nice.  OMGUS.  Anyone who has posted in disagreement with you is obviously mafia.  If you really are town...take it like a man knowing you will help town win.  Cause if you do flip town...MN is next and probably verbal.

 

It be nice if I shut up, wouldn't it? Then you wouldn't have anything to worry about. ;D

 

And, in case you didn't see it, I called Nyn out before you inherited the role, so you've been suspicious longer than you've been you.

 

But it's lovely for you to appear like this, on time for my lynch and everything.  Just like your friends.

 

and...

 

LMAO.  You're just slingin' from the hip, aren't ya?  Not even aiming - just firing away at whatever is there.

 

And I find something really funny.  Wes..you play just like Mynd does when on the ropes as scum.  Arguements based on bad logic and obvious twisting of peoples words.

 

BTW...your little addition that "Peacesells may be mafia" as well was nice.  OMGUS.

 

LMAO again.  Except this time I agree.  I didn't even notice the OMGUS, lol.  But the Mynd comment?  Ouch.  :D

 

You're not keeping your eye on the game, pumpkin.  ;)

[Verbal32]

*eyes Nae*

 

Would you agree that, regardless of whether mnwhiterose could have handled the reveal better, it is still the proper play for the town to lynch the fingered mafia and thereby confirm the Finder?

 

The only other option, at this late point (1 hour left?) is to have a random lynch occur.  This is not a good option.....agreed?

 

 

 

And Wes...I'm ignoring your post and not responding with the exception of the statement that your post added nothing to the game.  You're just spamming now.

[Naeann]

Because I smell a rat.

[Verbal32]

I think my 2 questions were yes/no questions.

 

So you think that lynching Wes is wrong, because you smell a rat?  That's fine, if that's why your saying.  But the only way to prove that is to lynch Wes.

 

Why would the mafia trade 1-1 for an innocent?  That is foolish for the mafia.  You're starting to look awfully suspicious, Nae.  :-*

[Leelou]

40 mins

[CUBAREY]

What happened to my last post? Anyways, Mn is playing I am a NOOB to the hilt. QWhich is interesting since she did not pay the NOOB card in the previous game we played together. Frankly only thing that points to DPR is her last minute declaration that she (MN) is the Finder. I think she is either Mafia and being coached on a desperation move that actually is working (she had 5 votes on her when she declared herself) or she is claiming to be the Finder as a desperation. And now she has set up the insane finder claim by suggesting she will vote for herself is DPR is found to be innocent. It's just to pat in my opinion.

 

Maybe because the last person to claim the Finder role and actually survive the next day was Mynd, but I think this is a rouse. Sorry, under these circumstances I will not be the 6th vote to lynch someone I think is a townie.

 

My alternative theory is that Verbal and DPR are running a kevim's gambit and merely using MN's desperation move to cement their ploy.

 

In any case, I just do not trust either Verbal or MN and am unwilling to join a bandwagon led by them.

[Verbal32]

That's a joke.  Why would Wes and I do that when in the event of a random lynch, WE COULD POSSIBLY DIE?!?!?!

 

Wes, Nae, and CUBA:  these 3 refused to play the proper town play.  And they were online to do it.  And they even posted.  I call shenanigans on them.

 

I'll probably be dead tonight, so that Wes can shut me up.

 

CUBA, you are not making sense.  Of course mnwhiterose's move is working - she claimed Finder!  You don't lynch a potential Finder!!!  This is normal mafia!  How on Earth are people not seeing this?  I'm shocked.  The only possible explanation is that they are mafia.

 

 

[Leelou]

The argument between mn and wes ended in a stalemate.

 

Mcs was minding his own business, when a faulty stage light came crashing down on him.

 

Day has ended. Mcs, the reporter, is dead.

 

Night will end around 6 pm Friday.

[Verbal32]

In any case, I just do not trust either Verbal or MN and am unwilling to join a bandwagon led by them.

 

But you apparently trust Wes, right?  Now why would you do that, I wonder?  ::)

 

 

Edit:  not sure what a "reporter" is.....sorta sounds like a Finder.  Not good.  Which begs the next question:

 

mnwhiterose:  why would there be TWO Finders, if a reporter is a Finder?  :-\

[peacesells]

 

 

In any case, I just do not trust either Verbal or MN and am unwilling to join a bandwagon led by them.

 

Horrible choice here.  You sealed the fate of a random townee AND GATHERED NO INFORMATION!  What a brilliant scum move.  If you would have hammered then we would have had 1 mafia dead either now or the next day. 

 

Validating a finder is pretty typical mafia play.  Those not participating are not acting in towns interest.

[mnwhiterose]

In any case, I just do not trust either Verbal or MN and am unwilling to join a bandwagon led by them.

 

But you apparently trust Wes, right?  Now why would you do that, I wonder?  ::)

 

 

Edit:  not sure what a "reporter" is.....sorta sounds like a Finder.  Not good.  Which begs the next question:

 

mnwhiterose:  why would there be TWO Finders, if a reporter is a Finder?  :-\

 

Um - don't know, quite honestly. Unless this isn't a standard mafia game.

[Blig Blog]

Ummm...I just had to read from page 13...*eye twitches*

 

Well...what do I think? 

 

I think MN is probably just innocent or the real Finder. Either she was the real Finder and wanted to come out and say it when she had time left to do so, and didn't do it earlier because she didn't feel the need to, or she's just an innocent that wanted to stay in the game and couldn't find any other way to do it.

 

Now what do I think of Wes? I think he's Mafia and just talked and talked and TALKED his way out of that ONE...LAST...VOTE!!!! Bravo, ol' chap. *claps* Oh and why do you keep betting a nickel? O.e If I was as sure as you say you are then I'd bet a lot more than that.  :D

 

Verbal? I have a feeling that he's innocent. Again, anyone could be ANYTHING so...I'm not 100% sure.

 

I can understand CUBA's reasoning, I don't have any kind of read on him though...what-so-ever. And for everyone else? I got nothin'... :( 

 

Poor MC...he didn't even see it coming.  :'(