Hollywood 1940's Mafia! Game Over!

Dark Justice · June 3, 2009

well.. I dont really have anything to add at this point.

mnw has done nothing to convince me my vote for her is not justified.

Verbal32 · June 3, 2009

(although I have a little voice at the back of my head telling me that Verbal played MN into looking guilty

That little voice wouldn't happen to be a mafia teammate, would it? :P

Kidding. Sort of.

mnwhiterose · June 3, 2009

Well, since keeping quiet obviously won't help me, I'm going to come out and say it. I viewed Wes during the night phase and was told he is mafia.

Yes, I'm trying to save my own skin, and I'll probably be night-killed for it, but I'm hoping to take Wes with me. Can't have a known mafia running around.

Verbal32 · June 3, 2009

Unvote people.

We lynch Wes. If he is not mafia, then we lynch mnwhiterose. Done deal.

DPR · June 3, 2009

:o

Wow, can you believe it. MN is claiming finder. It's a huge surprise..a real game changer. Not :P

MN - you would have been better off false claiming healer. It would have better explained your behaviour up to this point and been a less obvious attemtpt to get the real healer to reveal themselves.

And on that note, REAL FINDER, DO NOT REVEAL. You know what is happning here, but it is much better to lose an innocent like me than to reveal.

I'm guessin ghtat the real finder did view me last night because it would have been the obvious choice to look at me or Verbal, and since no one has called Verbal mafia (and MN and he clearly timed their reveal, so they are clearly in communication) then I assume you found me innocent. Either way, do not let the mafia lull you into revealing.

Also, lets not overlook the second aspet of the timing here: Why wait until hours before the deadline to throw a monkey wrench out there? To keep the vote off of Verbal, that's why. He's the only other person with a vote and it would make sense that he would be a major candidate for lynch. But, by pulling this stunt now, they can almost guarantee that a majority vote will not be reached in time. That means that Verbal will get the random nightkill that he so craved on day 1. How nice for him.

Want to know what comes next? Since I brought up the fact that they slipped and made it obvious that they timed their annoucement, thus revealing that they are in communication, they will have to now reveal that they are a miller group! Yay! And, they will say that Talya was their third so that no one will contradict them. Double Yay! Then, if it gets really hot, Verb may just come out and claim healer for the trifecta.

Meh.

The good news is that we have sussed out MN abd Verb so early in the game. It's traditional to not lynch anyone who has clamied finder, but this one was handled so badly that it could go either way.

The best thing is to let the group decide. I'll save my vote to see which way folks want to go.

I'll spare the extra long post because I don't think it's necessary, but am happy to furnish 18 to 20 reasons why this reveal is a really bad fake, if they are needed.

Verbal32 · June 3, 2009

Say what? My responses in red. *sigh*

:o

Wow, can you believe it. MN is claiming finder. It's a huge surprise..a real game changer. Not :P

MN - you would have been better off false claiming healer. It would have better explained your behaviour up to this point and been a less obvious attemtpt to get the real healer to reveal themselves. is this a joke? She hinted at Finder, I picked up on it, and now she's revealed when in danger of being lynched - typical Finder reveal

And on that note, REAL FINDER, DO NOT REVEAL. You know what is happning here, but it is much better to lose an innocent like me than to reveal.

I'm guessin ghtat the real finder did view me last night because it would have been the obvious choice to look at me or Verbal, and since no one has called Verbal mafia (and MN and he clearly timed their reveal, so they are clearly in communication) then I assume you found me innocent. Either way, do not let the mafia lull you into revealing. we timed a reveal? say what? I revealed? I don't remember that - are we playing the same game here?

Also, lets not overlook the second aspet of the timing here: Why wait until hours before the deadline to throw a monkey wrench out there? To keep the vote off of Verbal, that's why. He's the only other person with a vote and it would make sense that he would be a major candidate for lynch. But, by pulling this stunt now, they can almost guarantee that a majority vote will not be reached in time. That means that Verbal will get the random nightkill that he so craved on day 1. How nice for him.

Want to know what comes next? Since I brought up the fact that they slipped and made it obvious that they timed their annoucement, thus revealing that they are in communication, they will have to now reveal that they are a miller group! Yay! And, they will say that Talya was their third so that no one will contradict them. Double Yay! Then, if it gets really hot, Verb may just come out and claim healer for the trifecta. nope...no miller group, no nothing. I was suspicious of you, I said so on Day 1, and then the Finder viewed you....and hinted at it....and is now in danger of being lynched, so she revealed....nice try though

Meh.

The good news is that we have sussed out MN abd Verb so early in the game. It's traditional to not lynch anyone who has clamied finder, but this one was handled so badly that it could go either way. almost as bad as your logic here, eh? ;)

The best thing is to let the group decide. I'll save my vote to see which way folks want to go.

I'll spare the extra long post because I don't think it's necessary, but am happy to furnish 18 to 20 reasons why this reveal is a really bad fake, if they are needed.

Ok, seriously. This is easy. We HAVE to assume that mnwhiterose is the Finder. That Wes is even pushing you to consider otherwise means he is mafia. Simple as that. If somehow mnwhiterose is lying, the coroner report on Wes will confirm that, and we lynch mnwhiterose. Nice and neat. Unvote mnwhiterose, and lynch Wes.

DPR · June 3, 2009

Actually, I think my points have been clear and your responses weak (though very well done for those people that only read the last post instead of every post. Don't think I didn't notice. heh) If anyone else has questions, I'm happy to answer them.

But I'm not going to wear everybody down with another long, drawn-out debate that just makes people sick of reading. Stuff like this happens to me all the time and I do know how not[/] to give the mafia what they want, thank you very much.

DPR · June 3, 2009

Damn italics. Supposed to end at "not".

Dark Justice · June 3, 2009

[glow=red,2,300]unvote mnwhiterose[/glow]

I for one am not really keen on taking the chance.. I am not 100% convinced she is the finder, in any way. But Im not willing to take the chance..

Verbal32 · June 3, 2009

Actually, I think my points have been clear and your responses weak (though very well done for those people that only read the last post instead of every post. Don't think I didn't notice. heh)

My responses? Wes, I've been accusing you of being mafia since the beginning of the game! It is you who have been responding weakly to me. See? Italics working as intended. :P

But seriously, you are dancing around the issue. We have the situation of a Finder reveal pointing the finger at you for being mafia. What do we ALWAYS (don't try to wiggle out of this) do in this instance? How about "don't lynch the potential Finder"!!!! Let them prove themselves. We lynch you, and if you are innocent, then that makes mnwhiterose mafia and we lynch her tomorrow.

Anybody that keeps a vote on a potential Finder before confirmation is either mafia, a SK also trying to hide, a symp, or somebody who isn't thinking. I don't see the difficulty here. We have a typical Finder reveal situation, and we should act accordingly.

Unvote mnwhiterose, and lynch Wes. Once the coroner comes in, we go from there.

Edit: DJ, I would agree with you if I hadn't already thought Wes was mafia. Regardless, we need to lynch him in order to confirm mnwhiterose.

Liathiana · June 3, 2009

If Wes is innocent then I am lynching mn tomorrow and no excuses will sway me.

[glow=red,2,300]unvote mn[/glow]

[glow=red,2,300]Wes[/glow]

Dark Justice · June 3, 2009

what I cant understand, is why she waited so long with revealing.. She was lacking 1 vote for quite a while, but NOW she came out as the finder...

Verbal32 · June 3, 2009

Dunno, might be she wasn't online. I'm not sure. Either way, a mafia false Finder reveal very rarely works, so I'm inclined to believe her until proven otherwise. And the only way to do that is to lynch Wes, because we can't lynch her on the chance that she is really the Finder.

Wes has no choice but to attack either her (as the revealed Finder) or me (as the one who's been pressuring him). So, he's going to attack her through me, which is really his best option. But it doesn't matter - what Liath said is right:

If Wes is innocent then I am lynching mn tomorrow and no excuses will sway me.

[glow=red,2,300]unvote mn[/glow]

[glow=red,2,300]Wes[/glow]

Totally agreed, and I'll do the same. And the Finder would likely view me as well, so I'm putting myself on the line here, too.

peacesells · June 3, 2009

[glow=red,2,300]Vote DPR aka WESS[/glow]

Here's how I see it. If Wes flips innocent then both MN and Verbal are on the hook.

Sorry Wes..I'm not convinced you are mafia but even you would jump at the chance of a 1 for 1 trade. It helps town to vote you off in this situation.

Wes is right about one thing...if MN is fake claiming..then there is no reason for the real cop to counter claim. We will know soon enough if MN is mafia...and perhaps Verbal.

mnwhiterose · June 3, 2009

I will even vote for myself next round if Wes is innocent, even though I know he isn't. How does that sound?

DPR · June 3, 2009

LMAO - I can't believe I called it first, then they pulled it and people are voting for it. Delicious.

I don't disagree with pulling your vote off of MN - it is a good play to be safe - so I can see that.

But to let Verbal rush me to the lynch just screams of scum. Especially after he has gone back and forth pressing for my lynch, then being my buddy. Then he presses for my lynch, then he's my buddy again.

Want to see something funny? Vote for him, and if the count climbs high enough to where he is threatened, watch him try to be my buddy again.

[glow=red,2,300]unvote MN[/glow]

and

[glow=red,2,300]vote Verbal[/glow] - to protect a possible :P finder, but mostly because he has used so many scummish techniques and in the end, we are supposed to go with the evidence. Not the wishy-washy metagame trail he's trying to lead everybody down.

DPR · June 3, 2009

Just saw peacesells post -

Is nobody curious why Verbal was so hot to lynch me on Day 1, then again on Day 2? This is tragic...

Here's another question: If you were the mafia, who is the person you would most like to lynch right now?

I gotta go, but when I get back I'll do a detailed post on why MN and Verbal are obviously working together and why this is a fake claim. egads

peacesells · June 3, 2009

I will even vote for myself next round if Wes is innocent, even though I know he isn't. How does that sound?

Actually sounds rather hollow and has no influence at all. This tactic has been used before. I've never seen the offer carry through.

Verbal32 · June 3, 2009

Is nobody curious why Verbal was so hot to lynch me on Day 1, then again on Day 2? This is tragic...

Well duh, I think you're mafia. You were suspicious to me off the bat, and that hasn't changed.

But to let Verbal rush me to the lynch just screams of scum. Especially after he has gone back and forth pressing for my lynch, then being my buddy. Then he presses for my lynch, then he's my buddy again.

Not being your buddy - agreeing with a statement you may have made. As a smart mafia player, you aren't going to throw out lies with every post, so I'm bound to agree with a couple of things here and there.

The only other possible explanation I can see here is that both Wes and I are getting played like a fiddle. But the only way to find that out is to lynch Wes. That confirms mnwhiterose one way or the other, and that is our #1 priority. If Wes is innocent, then mnwhiterose is obviously mafia. Strategically, it would not make sense for me to be mafia as well, because that means a 2 mafia to 1 innocent trade. I'd be nuts to want that if I was mafia.

DPR · June 3, 2009

Okay, I'm back.

My last post to vote Verbal was admittedly out of agitation. I'll leave it on him, and skip the drama of voting for myself, but this is what I will suggest to everyone else.

Lynch me. The truth is, you will learn a lot and when you see my role, you will have two mafia dead in your sights. This is the best way for me to help the innocent team, so there it is.

Then, when you see who I am, re-read my posts! There are not that many and they have been pretty thorough in putting together evidence against MN and Verbal.

When you lynch these two, then you will have either won or there should only be one more mafia (My best guess is a lurker or maybe peacesells. But I'm not solid on anything there...)

And one more thing. Since we are preserving the possibility of MN being the Finder, I would love to see her check Verbal out tonight. She should be protected by the healer, so she'll be able to report what she finds in the morning.

I will also request that the real Finder check Verbal out as well. Then you will be able to claim a mafia for sure, spotlight MN for the lying liar that she is and put to rest any foolishness about these two not working together.

That ought to wrap the game up, or come mighty close to it.

Just please, please, please don't fall for this sloppy reveal and the manure that these two are spreading around. I don't mind dying for the team, but it would just suck to see it wasted.

Go inns.

Verbal32 · June 3, 2009

Because I like doing this, my answers are in red.

Okay, I'm back.

My last post to vote Verbal was admittedly out of agitation. I'll leave it on him, and skip the drama of voting for myself, but this is what I will suggest to everyone else. of course you'll skip the drama....you're hoping to reverse the votes on you!

Lynch me. The truth is, you will learn a lot and when you see my role, you will have two mafia dead in your sights. This is the best way for me to help the innocent team, so there it is. sorry, I think some soda just came out of my nose

Then, when you see who I am, re-read my posts! There are not that many and they have been pretty thorough in putting together evidence against MN and Verbal. not that many posts? ha! evidence against me? ha again!

When you lynch these two, then you will have either won or there should only be one more mafia (My best guess is a lurker or maybe peacesells. But I'm not solid on anything there...)

And one more thing. Since we are preserving the possibility of MN being the Finder, I would love to see her check Verbal out tonight. She should be protected by the healer, so she'll be able to report what she finds in the morning.

I will also request that the real Finder check Verbal out as well. Then you will be able to claim a mafia for sure, spotlight MN for the lying liar that she is and put to rest any foolishness about these two not working together. that will backfire on you big time, once I'm confirmed innocent ;) but I agree, please view me

That ought to wrap the game up, or come mighty close to it.

Just please, please, please don't fall for this sloppy reveal and the manure that these two are spreading around. I don't mind dying for the team, but it would just suck to see it wasted. let's see what the coroner says about you before we talk about who's spreading "manure" ;)

Go inns.

Leelou · June 3, 2009

Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Vote count:

Wes 4 : mn, verbal, liath, peace

Mn 2 : nae, hybrid

Verbal 2 : cub, wes

3 hours to deadline

Hybrid · June 3, 2009

The timing of mn's reveal makes me a bit skeptical. Why not simply reveal at the beginning of the day? Still, it's pretty obvious what has to be done. We've already got one mafia down and the Healer (if there is one) is still alive. So let's test out mn's viewing. [glow=red,2,300]Unvote and vote DPR[/glow].

Verbal32 · June 3, 2009

All correct, Leelou.

Ok, people - 3 hours left! I bet Wes wouldn't mind a random lynch here, eh?

We CANNOT have a random lynch here! Remember how I said it was ok on Day 1, but not later? This is that later I was talking about. We potentially have a mafia on the ropes.

So far the non-voters are as follows:

mcs

blig

DJ

Don't know about the first 2, but between DJ, Nae, and Hybrid, we need 2 of you to vote for Wes.

Edit:

The timing of mn's reveal makes me a bit skeptical. Why not simply reveal at the beginning of the day? Still, it's pretty obvious what has to be done. We've already got one mafia down and the Healer (if there is one) is still alive. So let's test out mn's viewing. [glow=red,2,300]Unvote and vote DPR[/glow].

She is a newbie, so my guess is she didn't realize she should have revealed at the start of the day. Dunno....

Cuba, Nae, mcs, blig - somebody needs to vote Wes and confirm mnwhiterose, while also avoiding a random lynch.

DPR · June 3, 2009

My annoyance grows...

We CANNOT have a random lynch here! Remember how I said it was ok on Day 1, but not later? This is that later I was talking about. We potentially have a mafia on the ropes.

Actually, I remember you voting to lynch me because I suggested it. But that's just me...

The mafia gods are rolling in their graves right now.

I'm reminded of Vemy...

Hollywood 1940's Mafia! Game Over!

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