Hollywood 1940's Mafia! Game Over!

[peacesells]

 

Okay, it *looks* like Lia killed Verbal. Did anyone read anything different?

 

Then, it *looks* like someone else hit Lia - which would be the mafia hit.

 

Does anyone see these a different way?

 

 

My first impression readingit like a story was that Lia killed Verbal but in his dying breath pulled a gun and shot Lia.  Now my mafia game thinking says this doesn't make sense in the frame work of the game.  That scenario would mean that Verbal would have to have a Bomb role as well.

[Blig Blog]

He must have from the way that that story read.  :-\

 

Okay, so it's day? How are we going to start things out with Verbal dead and MN saying that she viewed him last night?  :(

[DPR]

 

As far as MN goes, there are obviously a lot of questions here.

 

I've written and deleted several thories while I am sitting here thinking - and have realized that this just got a lot more complicated.

 

Here's what I know:

 

1. MN findered me as mafia.*me talking here* I'm not, so I called her claim a fake.

2. MN findered Verbal mafia. The role of the Psychiatrist is usually an innocent role. I guess that there is no law against flipping the alignments - which might make sense in a game where the mod chose not to show alignments and where we have all of these joined roles, but that's a pretty elaborate setup and hard to balance. I'm just specualting there, for what its worth.

3. There is no counter claim to the finder role

4. If MN is a fake finder, she would have been better off claiming Verbal an innocent - especially after the posted scene.  Saying that she found him mafia contradicts the scene and brings us back to the possibility that she is the real finder, but limited by whatever flavor she is.

 

MN, since you ahve already revealed you role, would you mind telling us how the role that you have claimed was described? Don't quote the mod's PM to you, but we might be able to tell something by the description.

[peacesells]

 

MN, since you ahve already revealed you role, would you mind telling us how the role that you have claimed was described? Don't quote the mod's PM to you, but we might be able to tell something by the description.

 

I'd be interested in this as well.  In another mafia game I played on I was a finder but I was correct only 75% of the time.  This caused a ton of confusion.

[Blig Blog]

*sits and waits for MN* This sounds like a sound plan. I am mostly dumbfounded as to what to do seeing as how Verbal was innocent as I was pretty sure he was Mafia. O.e

 

I don't know though, something in that post of hers saying that she viewed Verbal and found him to be Mafia when he turned out to be innocent...seems to me she's still being led by the nose from someone...

[Hybrid]

First of all guys, I'm really sorry for being inactive.  I know I'm usually more active than this, but I've been sick with a pretty high fever these past few days.  I am up to date, but I'm about as confused as anyone else. 

 

If MN was mafia, I agree in that there is almost absolutely no reason for her to post that reading on Verbal unless for some reason she or her mafia teammates thought the real finder was about to reveal himself/herself.  From that idea, the only people yet to post since the Night 2 conclusion (correct me if I'm wrong) are DJ and CUBAREY.  I'll look back to see if anyone else hinted at finder that we missed, but I don't think there is anything. 

 

If MN was innocent, then things get a lot more muddled, again as other people have already posted, so I guess I'm for waiting to hear what she has to say about her role too.  I'm praying really hard here that her role is not secretly a % chance role... I hate Lady Luck, personally.  :P

[DPR]

*sits and waits for MN* This sounds like a sound plan. I am mostly dumbfounded as to what to do seeing as how Verbal was innocent as I was pretty sure he was Mafia. O.e

 

Let's not fall into the trap of assuming anything at this point - we have not been told what anyone's alignment is. We don't know if MN is really a finder at all, ad if she is, what type of finder she might be.

 

As far as the game setup goes, it wouldbe downright nasty for a mod to list roles only and then play games with roles where we have to say "well, that's usually an innocent role.", etc. I'm bothered by the fact that for two nights in a row, we've have a pair of linked players die.

 

I'm thinking that we've been given a puzzle to figure out - and we need to put a few pieces together before we can see what's going on.

[Naeann]

The Psycho/Psychicatrist sounds similar to a role I had on Myndjack... I think it was Hybrid who had the other half?  Maybe not though... been awhile.

 

It was Pyro/Firefighter.... I was pyro and had one nk a night and a solo win unless the firefighter found me... after which i realigned with the town and if i remember.. we became like a miller team and could talk outside the game?  I might be mistaken on that with alll the games I've played...but the first part IS correct and could be like what Verb/Lia had.  It would make Verbal innocent and Lia a solo winner.

[mnwhiterose]

Okay - My role, as it was described to me, was that of a cop. I can look at one person a night and find out if they are innocent or mafia. No other comments.  Standard Finder.

 

I looked at Wes night 1 - came up as mafia.

Looked at Verbal night 2 - came up as mafia.

 

But, after looking at Leelou's night killings - I honestly don't know if I can trust my findings. I also get a role reveal (stunt double, writer, director, etc.) and I got the same result for both people, which didn't match Verbal's role as the Director. Unless the mod is lying about the roles - which I don't think is the case.

[peacesells]

did you viewing of verbal say he was mafia or guilty?  guilty could mean cult.

[mnwhiterose]

mafia

[peacesells]

2 straight mafia readings...1 player possibly innocent (verbal).

 

Paranoid cop?  Everyone seems guilty?

[DPR]

 

Okay - My role, as it was described to me, was that of a cop. I can look at one person a night and find out if they are innocent or mafia. No other comments.  Standard Finder.

 

I looked at Wes night 1 - came up as mafia.

Looked at Verbal night 2 - came up as mafia.

 

But, after looking at Leelou's night killings - I honestly don't know if I can trust my findings. I also get a role reveal (stunt double, writer, director, etc.) and I got the same result for both people, which didn't match Verbal's role as the Director. Unless the mod is lying about the roles - which I don't think is the case.

 

The mod can't lie, but she has does to follow the rules that were laid out before the game, so she won't flip things around on you in play. No mod would ever do that.

 

Which means that there ought to be a clue of some sort that would describe your situation?

[Hybrid]

The Psycho/Psychicatrist sounds similar to a role I had on Myndjack... I think it was Hybrid who had the other half?  Maybe not though... been awhile.

 

It was Pyro/Firefighter.... I was pyro and had one nk a night and a solo win unless the firefighter found me... after which i realigned with the town and if i remember.. we became like a miller team and could talk outside the game?

You got it.  Except you were Pyro/Arsonist.  I was Iceman/Firefighter. ;)

Thanks to your hints that game, I was able to recognize you.  Man, long time ago (not that long ago  :P).

 

From what I remember from that game, I would either heal the person I targeted from only the Arsonist's kills or I would convert the Arsonist to an innocent mason (if I targeted the Arsonist).  Verbal probably remembers better than we do, since it was his game... dammit.  :D

 

From the way the Psychiatrist role sounds (i.e. the whole "bring me back to sanity" part), it might only have been the convert/recruit part which unfortunately is not definitive on alignment like the doctor part, since that part would be near useless to the mafia.

 

Also, I realized I used a lot more smileys than usual in this post.  ;D

[CUBAREY]

Just thinking, but could Lia and Verbal also have been unknown sibling Millers? Which would explain why MN got a false positive reading on Verbal.

 

On another note it seems that MN is either percentage Finder (but what percentage?) an insane cop or Mafia and slipped up when she said she had viewed Verbal as Mafia. The first two options make me think that there is a second Finder in the game that has not (and as things stand probably will not reveal himself/herself). The other alternative is that the Mafia team was quite small (possibly two players) and an accurate Finder would have been too much of an overkill on the Townies side.

 

However, the possibility still exists that Mn is Mafia and she simply messed up in saying she read Verbal as mafia in order to really confuse us.

 

In any case I heartily concur with Bif Blog's Comments, "I want my mommy".

[Dark Justice]

Im still not 100% convinced mnw is finder. It could be just another great play by some mafia. I can smell WES behind all this, really...

The real finder has chosen not to reveal, and therfore the mafia team desides to play it further... dunno... Im just not gonna buy her as finder as of yet.

Im not saying we should lynch her either. Im just saying we need to not jump to conclutions...

[Naeann]

I'm not buying that she "messed up" in telling us he was Mafia.  What I don't get now is why Verbal was so strongly protecting her when it seems to me they weren't partners.  Could be a miller thing.. I keep forgetting about them.  They do show up as mafia although they are innocent.  Which leaves us with Dpr.... is he a miller too?  Is he Mafia?  Or is he regular innocent.  or Leaving us with Mn-  a suspicious person who either doesn't know what kind of finder she is or she's a lying liar who lies.  I think we give her one more chance... all pick someone for her to view.. and see what the result is for that one and go from there...

 

In the mean time.. we need to find a mafia to lynch today.  Any of you mafia's want to volunteer for that?

[DPR]

 

Sheesh, I feel like that kid in the neighborhood that gets blamed for everything. :D

 

Now, I've been waiting to see hat everyone else had to say before I started in with thoeries and accusations. And I think we have all posted now, so this is where I stand atm:

 

I'm still leaning towards MN being a fake.  The details surrounding her viewings are weird enough that it's possible she's telling the truth. But there are too many question marks out there for me to really buy into it. See if you agree with these points:

 

1. If there is a real finder, they have only had two nights to view. Chances are that they would not spot a mafia on the first two nights of a game, so that would eplain why they have not come forward.

 

2. MN's info is still a little dicey - If you were in her position, after everything that she's been through, wouldn't you have made a point to tell everything that you knew when you gave the report this morning?

 

But, imo, she kind of held back. And a few things don't add up: These from her first post of the day -

 

Okay - My role, as it was described to me, was that of a cop. I can look at one person a night and find out if they are innocent or mafia. No other comments.  Standard Finder.

 

So she's a cop whos sees alignment. She used the term "Standard Finder"

 

But then she says:

 

I also get a role reveal (stunt double, writer, director, etc.) and I got the same result for both people, which didn't match Verbal's role as the Director. Unless the mod is lying about the roles - which I don't think is the case.

 

This really stuck out for me. A Standard Finder only gets aligment. A Coroner Finder gets aligment and roles. So why did she say she was one, and then the other?  This type of mistake makes it look like she's trying to spin the story as she's writing it and got tripped up. Then there is the part about the same roles being given for both people, which didn't match Verb's role as it was posted.

 

1. MN didn't give us the resutls she was given.

2. Right off the bad, you know you are looking at a handicapped finder.

 

I'm starting to see a picture where she was lead through her reveal by Verbal, but then he died and she is unsure of how to continue.

 

If we play by the evidence alone, MN winds up being a pretty logical choice for a lynch, the biggest reason being that she is useless to us as a finder anyway, and if she turns up mafia, we'll know she's being lying the entire time and we can get on with casing her supporters.

 

On that note, I was not comfortable with this comment from Peace:

 

2 straight mafia readings...1 player possibly innocent (verbal).

 

It looks innocent enough and maybe I'm just a little sensitive at this point - but it does lead one to believe that only one mafia finding (Verbal) could possibly be innocent. So, why phrase it that way when it has become clear that any finding would be suspect?

 

I also thought it a bit odd that Peace did not call MN on the points that I made above. I figured you would catch on to that right away - I suspected you might even lead a lynch against MN. But you subtly pushed me back into the spotlight instead.

 

So if we lynch MN, and she's mafia, I'd say Peace is our next best suspect.

 

I'll wait to vote until folks get on and agree or disagree.

 

 

 

[DPR]

 

Just read Nae's post - I'm not a miller or a mafia. Promise. heh

 

Really though, I'm not a miller or in any group at all.

 

I think they tried to frame me from day one, got all tangled up in their own lies and botched a fake finder reveal. Then I think Verbal got killed and now MN doesn't know what to say and what not to. i don't think she is a finder at all. Occam's razor -

 

[Naeann]

Before I read your second quote about her getting roles as well I remembered her saying that when I read the first quote about being standard.  That nails it for me.  [glow=red,2,300]Mn[/glow] you cannot even keep your stories straight.

 

Something has struck me wrong about you since before your reveal but saying no other comments. Standard Mafia. and then later saying oh yeah... I get roles too... nope.

 

 

[peacesells]

I'm not going to be on much this weekend so I'll go ahead and cast my vote now.  I was all prepared to lead the way on DPR until MN said she got a mafia hit on Verbal as well.  I know think the risk of lynching her has lessoned greatly..since if she is a finder..she's a bad one and of no real use.  [glow=red,2,300]MN[/glow] is my vote.

[DPR]

 

 

I wanted to see if anyone else had a different take on it, but it looks like we actually agree on something.

 

[glow=red,2,300]MN[/glow]

 

 

[Blig Blog]

*gingerly walks up to mnwhiterose*

 

Umm... :-[

 

*has a pad and pen in his hand and ever so lightly taps on her shoulder*

 

Hey, ummm...could I have your autograph, [glow=red,2,300]MN[/glow]?

[Leelou]

Vote Count:

 

MN (4): Nae, Peace, Wes, Blig

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 for a majority.

[CUBAREY]

Well, since Mn is basicly useless as a Finder if she is a townie and could be mafia I will go along with the others on this vote. It seems to me that there are only two other people on whon either there is evidence that they are Mafia (Mn's find on DPR, which may or may not be accurate) and Peace (his comment that Mn's situation means one of her findings, that on Verbal, could have been wrong), throws DPR to the wolves. I think we should concentrate of these two candidates are most likely to be Mafia for Tomorrow's Lynch Vote.

 

In any case [glow=red,2,300]VOTE MN[/glow]