Dirty Cops Mafia - GAME OVER!!!

[Toy and Minion]

No comment, Mynd.

 

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[Myndrunner]

Her name was in white. According to the color key in the first post if she was Other or Other Other it would be in one of those colors.

 

I know the colors, but would her alignment actually change or would she remain a Cop, just also part of the cult?  There is a subtle difference between alignment and win condition.  Just by him not making a comment leads me to believe that it is possible.  But I could be wrong.

 

 

[peacesells]

We have MCS who's very likely Mafia, and you all waste our lynch like that?

 

MCS has role claimed an no one has countered it or provided a sufficient arguement against his claim.

 

Even after everyone moaning about how Mynd is only trying to confuse us, and throwing suspicions everywhere? Seriously?  :P

 

Actually, I'm the only one that seriously brought up this issue.  In fact several others jumped on his band wagon.  In one of my earlier posts I state that either Mynd is mafia or a horrible townee who does more harm than good. I stand by that, I just pray that he is mafia so that we don't lose 2 townees from his blunders.

 

I still think MCS is the most likely candidate for Mafia.  

 

Can you be sure enough to go past his Doctor claim?  

[Myndrunner]

No comment, Mynd.

 

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I take this to mean that it is possible for her to have been recruited by the Cult but still be aligned as a Clean Cop.  It would explain her erratic behavior if she was recruited by the Cult Leader on Night 1.  Only the Cult Leader would actually have a different alignment.  

[Jeran]

Ok, I have NO idea why you guys let Mynd, of all people, talk you into voting Talya for HIS suspicions. We have MCS who's very likely Mafia, and you all waste our lynch like that? Even after everyone moaning about how Mynd is only trying to confuse us, and throwing suspicions everywhere? Seriously?  :P I still think MCS is the most likely candidate for Mafia. Now I'm very unsure about Mynd. I dont buy his "Talya is Cult because she didnt jump on the likeliness of Cultness in this game" excuse.

 

I'll have to go back and look to see who they are, but maybe those who switched their votes are now suspicious as well.

 

Maybe I'll turn out to be wrong, but for now I'm sticking to what I said this morning...What cult?  No evidence except Talya "jumping on it" but she is innocent and not Other or Other Other.

[MsDanya]

MCS has role claimed an no one has countered it or provided a sufficient arguement against his claim.

 

Most likely because if we have a smart Healer, he or she will know better than to counterclaim this early in the game. My main arguments against him is that 1. he claimed when he didnt really need to and 2. because I still find it hard to believe he's not a cop in agame where everyone is a cop. It just doesnt fit. We also have the "edit" episode which I wont accept as just noobness.

 

Actually, I'm the only one that seriously brought up this issue.  In fact several others jumped on his band wagon.  In one of my earlier posts I state that either Mynd is mafia or a horrible townee who does more harm than good. I stand by that, I just pray that he is mafia so that we don't lose 2 townees from his blunders.

 

No, more people have accused Mynd of the same, as its practically a norm in this game. I'm aware that several otherpeople jumped on the bandwagon, but I still think its a big mistake. And are you planning to vote to lynch him tomorrow?

 

Can you be sure enough to go past his Doctor claim?

 

Yes, because I dont trust his claim, as stated earlier. I wont trust his claim until we have a safe view on him. Until that, he's a very likely candidate for mafia in my book.

 

Thats my views, and for now, I'm sticking by them.

[cosmicpanda]

ooops I meant peascesells there so discount my last I just saw the quote name, lol

 

You are right Talya...but I'm not willing to risk a doctor claim, plus if you are innocent..Mynd is gone.

 

No, he's not. I don't like setting up quick-lynches the day before.

[Myndrunner]

All I am gonna say here is that I think Danya is right about MCS fake claiming.  Its pretty clear to me why now, but I won't get into it in the thread just yet.  Like I had stated, I would have no problem with a Myndrunner lynch tomorrow, even though I am innocent, at least it would give you all info on who my antagonizes have been this game.  

 

If you would like to lynch a mafia tomorrow, I think MCS would be a safe bet.  He is lying about being a healer and I know why now.  

[Liathiana]

I'm not convinced for a Mynd lynch yet, there is much more evidence supporting an MCS lynch as far as I can see.

[peacesells]

And are you planning to vote to lynch him tomorrow?

 

I'm gonna see if he follows through with is promise to self vote first before I decide.  I'm uneasy about this whole situation, more so now that he is trying to influence people to vote for MCS now even though his promise was to fully support his own lynching. 

 

If we him get away with the same tactic that he used to get Talya lynched...what's to keep other's from doing as well.  Plus, if we don't lynch him then Talya's sacrificial self vote earns us nothing.  Like I said before...if Mynd isn't mafia...he sure isn't a townee friend.  He does way more harm than good.

[CUBAREY]

After thinking about it for a few hours this is what I am going to do. I am going to vote to lynch Mynd on Day 3. I let him influence me to vote for Tayla on his she is a Cult leader argument. As the third vote on Tayla and the first that was not a target of a lynch vote I started the bandwagon by believing Mynd. At this point I do not care if he is dirty or not ( an innocent cop that goes after another innocent cop is as dangerous as a dirty cop) he got us to lynch an innocent cop and we should take him up on his word and lynch him.

 

I'm still not sure about MCS, is he a doctor, are all his mess-ups rational (I know some have said he cannot be a Jester but I'm still not convinced. Can anyone make as many mistakes as him without intending to?) or is he just a really bad player?

 

 

[Liathiana]

At this point I do not care if he is dirty or not ( an innocent cop that goes after another innocent cop is as dangerous as a dirty cop) he got us to lynch an innocent cop and we should take him up on his word and lynch him.

 

Um...innocent cops don't know who other innocent cops are. ALL innocent cops will sometimes push lynches on other innocent cops because they believe that they are Mafia (or Cult). EVERYONE does this. It just seems like a bad excuse. If we go by this rationale we should lynch every innocent cop.

 

You SHOULD care that he is innocent. We're getting picked off every night, we shouldn't just go gung-ho for a cop that might be innocent, we need all the numbers we can get. I do'nt know if he is innocent, I don't know if you are innocent, I just don't like this reasoning.

[CUBAREY]

At this point I do not care if he is dirty or not ( an innocent cop that goes after another innocent cop is as dangerous as a dirty cop) he got us to lynch an innocent cop and we should take him up on his word and lynch him.

 

Um...innocent cops don't know who other innocent cops are. ALL innocent cops will sometimes push lynches on other innocent cops because they believe that they are Mafia (or Cult). EVERYONE does this. It just seems like a bad excuse. If we go by this rationale we should lynch every innocent cop.

 

You SHOULD care that he is innocent. We're getting picked off every night, we shouldn't just go gung-ho for a cop that might be innocent, we need all the numbers we can get. I do'nt know if he is innocent, I don't know if you are innocent, I just don't like this reasoning.

 

Problem is I do not trust his judgment. Thus unless a finding of a guilty cop is revealed by someone I do not suspect of being dirty then he gets my vote. Since I have doubts about just about all players this means I will vote to Lynch Mynd unless another lynch is based on a guilty finding and Mynd is not a viable candidate to be lynched at the end of day 3. Thus if someone wants me to vote for somebody else you better have a really good argument and lots of votes behind you as I will not change my mind unless its absolutely necessary to have a lynching.

[cosmicpanda]

before deciding what to do tomorrow, wait for night results. A lot can change overnight.

[Myndrunner]

Lia and cosmicpanda are correct, Cube.  I implore everyone to wait until we vote on someone to reveal their findings first, before lynching me.  As I have said, I will be viewing myself to insure that my cop skills are accurate.  I want to make sure that I am not a paranoid or crazy cop. 

 

I would ask that others view me as well, or at least one of you to see that I am innocent.  With not only the mafia out there but also other threats, we need to look at the whole picture.  I would question Cube's sudden bloodlust on me though.  I mean, the lynch on MCS just seemed too easy and you gotta admit, Talya was acting scummish this game.  If she had just voted MCS to begin with, none of this would have happened. 

 

I am looking forward to the results from tonight. 

[CUBAREY]

Lia and cosmicpanda are correct, Cube.  I implore everyone to wait until we vote on someone to reveal their findings first, before lynching me.  As I have said, I will be viewing myself to insure that my cop skills are accurate.  I want to make sure that I am not a paranoid or crazy cop. 

 

I would ask that others view me as well, or at least one of you to see that I am innocent.  With not only the mafia out there but also other threats, we need to look at the whole picture.  I would question Cube's sudden bloodlust on me though.  I mean, the lynch on MCS just seemed too easy and you gotta admit, Talya was acting scummish this game.  If she had just voted MCS to begin with, none of this would have happened. 

 

I am looking forward to the results from tonight. 

 

My name is Cubarey, if you want to shortern it you can use Cuba, please do not call me Cube.

 

Now back to the game. The fact that Tayla acted strangely was the selling point to your argument, I will admit. However, we are now faced with a situation where in selling Tayla's lynch you said that you would be the first to vote for your own lynching if you were wrong. Well you were. I will therefore vote for you unless someone I have some confidence in points the finger at another candidate. It's not bloodlust, its a recognition that I was used (either intentionally or by accident to Lynch Tayla). There are people in this game who I will still listen with an open mind. Until there is proof that you are neither a dirty cop, some other type of bad guy or a totally untrustworthy person who would rather get other people to agree with his views instead of sitting back, recognizing that he made a mistake and let others take the lead (which at the very least you are guilty of) Iimply will not listen to your BS and make you live up to your commitment to place the first vote to lynch yourself.

[cosmicpanda]

what I see with this now is scum going for an easy lynch. I refuse to vote for Mynd just because he said that we can lynch him if Talya wasn't cult.

 

We could lynch Mynd anyway for leading the Talya lynch, he didn't need to tell us that we could lynch him. Talk of an the commitment that Mynd made to self-vote only leads to a blind quicklynch, and that doesn't help the town. Mynd, I would really rather that you didn't self-vote.

 

The question that everyone's forgotten: What about mcs?

[CUBAREY]

what I see with this now is scum going for an easy lynch. I refuse to vote for Mynd just because he said that we can lynch him if Talya wasn't cult.

 

We could lynch Mynd anyway for leading the Talya lynch, he didn't need to tell us that we could lynch him. Talk of an the commitment that Mynd made to self-vote only leads to a blind quicklynch, and that doesn't help the town. Mynd, I would really rather that you didn't self-vote.

 

The question that everyone's forgotten: What about mcs?

 

For those of us that were not convinced that MCS was scum little has changed. Unless we get more information I am still hesitent to vote for him.

 

I can be persuaded but you would have to show to me that my concerns are baseless or irrelevent.

[peacesells]

 

The question that everyone's forgotten: What about mcs?

 

I dont think anyone has forgotten...have you forgotten his role claim?

[mcs0083]

Thank you Cuba. Most claims against me CAN'T be proven. But even the one's that are clear as day, no one has evidence of what my intentions were.

 

 

The question that everyone's forgotten: What about mcs?

 

I dont think anyone has forgotten...have you forgotten his role claim?

 

No one has defended themselves as if I was not the doctor. But IF I was lying I would expect the real doctor not to say anything.

[Myndrunner]

I'm not sure why peacesells, Cuba, and MCS want to push so hard for a lynch right now.  It is night for crying out loud, and like cosmicpanda said, there is a lot of info that might be coming in that could change the direction of the game.  Often, when people push hard for a lynch before the Day phase, its because they want a quick lynch.  Need I remind everyone that even if you get a majority on me, we still have plenty of time to discuss things.  So there is no rush here. 

 

cosmicpanda, in my arrogance, I did promise to vote myself but I didn't promise that I would keep the vote on me.  I honestly thought we had either a mafia or cult leader of some kind based on Talya's actions.  She seemed just too hungry for blood with Catina and her refusal to take part in the MCS lynch bothered me.  I'm sorry that it came down to an innocent getting killed, but if she had voted MCS, it wouldn't have roused my suspicion.  I was just so sure that she was playing us that I made a stupid decision.

 

Anyways, I'm expecting some info tonight that should shed some light on something I cannot discuss.  I hope someone else is viewing me tonight as well.  I also hope someone is viewing MCS as well.  And I hope our healer chooses wisely tonight, weather it's MCS or not. 

[peacesells]

Let's take a look at Mynd's posts.  Unlike he does...I will actually quote what he says rather than making stuff up.

 

I think the answer is that you know MCS is innocent and might be the healer.  You know that I am innocent.  You and Talya figured that when the coroner report came up on MCS as innocent, you could point your fingers at everyone else for voting him, especially me since I led the charge on him. 

 

I think you and Talya are on the same team and neither of you are innocent.  Mafia or cult, you guys are not innocent.  Prove me wrong.  Vote Talya.

 

Here he says Talya and I "know" MCS is innocent which infers he knows this as well.  He's also inferred that he has viewed MCS and found him innocent.  If he thinks MCS is innocent...why push so hard to get him lynched?  Then he removes his vote and blames others for not hammering?  Looks like he was trying to avoid suspicion here and push it on others.

 

Why the push Thorum?  You already know where I stand on MCS, but why are you not even remotely curious why TALYA or PEACESELLS don't just vote him?  If she did, then I would be satisfied.....but with so much time gone by since I removed my vote, neither one of them have clinched the lych.  You don't find that suspicious at all?

 

Mynd would be satisfied with Talya hammering someone he knew was innocent?

 

geeze.  i come back to read all this junk? why have we not lynched mcs by now?

 

Catina, why are you so bent on lynching MCS anyway?  We have reason to believe that he is the healer, which Talya doesn't deny, and now we are seeing quite interesting reactions from peacesells and Talya when I only mentioned the possibility of a Cult. 

 

Here he chastises Catina for voting MCS and agrees with Talya but later chastises Talya and me for that same reasoning?

 

and I ask you again why did you, after all your badgering to vote for him in the first place, take it off him if you bleieve he is mafia. One minute me and mcs are together then I'm protecting mcs, so according to you mcs would be on my so called team (that he isn't I don't have one except the innocents), then you could find that out by voting him yourself!

I was very clear on my unvote, my gut was telling me he is mafia but he claimed a healer role and something else that you know I cannot discuss.  It is likely that he is innocent, but we needed a lynch and I thought the Day was going to end with the majority so I clinched it.  Surprise, the day did not end and that gave me time to read back. 

 

Here is one of the times Mynd insinuates he had an innocent find on MCS...yet he wants Talya to hammer?

 

This is Peacesells post later on....

...but really I think we are distracting ourselves too much.  Let's find the mafia guys.  (OH nooooeeeesssss MYND...that must make me a cult member.)

 

Notice the common agenda in both posts. 

 

Peacesells has been making very rational posts up until the beginning of Day 2.  Now, all of a sudden, his posts are bent on discrediting me and making me look bad.  They are insulting, mocking, and desperately full of comments bent on downplaying this whole idea of a cult.  If he were with us, he would at least have acknowledged the possibility that Talya has been acting fishy....or that a Cult is indeed a threat. 

 

Here is a great example of Mynd attributing more to what someone says than what is actually said.  Notice I had 1 statement about focusing on mafia and he says "They are insulting, mocking and desperately full of comments bent on downplaying the whole idea of a cult."  Remind me...how many posts did I make?  How many of them referenced the "downplaying of a cult."  Mynd?  Was it 1 short line?  Exaggeration at its finest.

 

It is now 5 hours until deadline.  Talya is online and yet she still refuses to vote for MCS.

 

Please re-read her posts, pay particular attention to her downplaying the whole deal about a cult.  Peacesells nearly said the exact same thing the other day.  They are trying to discredit me instead of answering for their own actions, which is the sign of scum in panic mode.  I think I hit the nail on the head here and I implore all of us, innocent and mafia alike, to consider Talya as our lynch today.

 

Again..just statments..no proof that I am saying the exact same thing Talya is.  He offers no quotes to back up his statements..he just assumes everyone will believe what he says is gospel.

 

The empty slot for voting MCS has been open for quite some time now.  She has had plenty of opportunity to vote and yet she chooses not to.  Why is that I wonder? 

 

Again..Mynd is pushing very hard to get Talya to vote MCS.  He even references "the empty slot for voting" which so happens to have been vacated by him.  He wants MCS lynched but he doesn't want the credit?

 

If she turns out innocent, I have no problem with a Myndrunner lynch the following day.  I'll even vote myself first.  I am so sure she is not innocent, I will bet my chance at winning this game on it. 

 

And here is the promise.  You have bet your chances to win...(see how he states HIS CHANCES TO WIN...NOT TOWN'S???)  You lost Mynd, now pay up.

 

I could go on..but I think that last line there about sums it up.  He was betting on his chances to win.  Think about that a moment.  Townees think in "we", mafia think in "I."

 

 

[mcs0083]

I'm not sure why peacesells, Cuba, and MCS want to push so hard for a lynch right now.  

What the hell Mynd. I didn't say anything about a lynch. What's with you and all the propaganda huh?

[CUBAREY]

Peacesells it does not help the effort to lynch Mynd to make some rather flimsy statements about him just because he attacked you. Frankly you and Tayla did seem tied together at the hip not voting for MCS and downplaying the Cult or "other" alignment. His erratic behavior and calling everyone scum is a tell. So is possibly his late vote switching. But you and Tayla did come off as doing a coordinated defense of MCS. That is proved not to have been the case does not mean that it did not look that way at the time.

 

I think we have three vites fir Mynd, peacesells. myself and MCS (who will vote on anybody to save himself). We need either a finding of Mynd as dirty or reasonable arguments that others will believe not attempts to show ourselves innocent by twisting mynd's words.

[peacesells]

Peacesells it does not help the effort to lynch Mynd to make some rather flimsy statements about him just because he attacked you. Frankly you and Tayla did seem tied together at the hip not voting for MCS and downplaying the Cult or "other" alignment. His erratic behavior and calling everyone scum is a tell. So is possibly his late vote switching. But you and Tayla did come off as doing a coordinated defense of MCS. That is proved not to have been the case does not mean that it did not look that way at the time.

 

I think we have three vites fir Mynd, peacesells. myself and MCS (who will vote on anybody to save himself). We need either a finding of Mynd as dirty or reasonable arguments that others will believe not attempts to show ourselves innocent by twisting mynd's words.

 

Non of my posts were an effort to show my innocence.  If you think so, can you please go through it again and point it out for me as that was not my intention.  The post had the sole purpose of showing that MCS is trying to confuse and manipulate people.  I was also showing that he contradicted himself may times.  I believe the only reason you thought that Talya and I were acting in concert were because of Mynd's gross misrepresentations of other's actions.  I think he had a definite purpose behind this tactic. 

 

BTW...I haven't committed my vote to Mynd yet.  I'm just trying to hold him to his promise to self voting and keeping it there.  Let's be clear.  I don't know if Mynd is scum.  I think it is possible that he is innocent (a horrible one..but still innocent).  If I hear a convincing argument against someone else I have no problem voting that direction.  (btw...none of mynds arguments will have any impact on my decision making in the future.)