Best fighter in WoT without OP

[Gentled Ben]

Ah, Aristo beat me to it. I was going to say Elyas because Lan said that he taught him much of what he knows as a Warder.

 

I am surprised that no one has mentioned Slayer or Padan Fain, so allow me to be the first. I am uncertain which is the better, but so far, they have both done rather well in all of their confrontations. Despite all Lan's skill, he has yet to nail a living myrddraal to a door...

[Aristo]

Ah, Aristo beat me to it. I was going to say Elyas because Lan said that he taught him much of what he knows as a Warder.

 

I am surprised that no one has mentioned Slayer or Padan Fain, so allow me to be the first. I am uncertain which is the better, but so far, they have both done rather well in all of their confrontations. Despite all Lan's skill, he has yet to nail a living myrddraal to a door...

 

I think the reason behind leaving those two out is that they're 'something else', and cannot really be categorized as normal beings in the WoT.  I think the nailing to a door of the myrddraal was more or less the myrddraal not having a choice, and didn't fight back.

[agaga]

I agree with Aristo and Gentled Ben I think Elyas could give them all a run for their money. But I think one on one Burkma might hash a victory over Elyas if he didn't have wolves fighting with him.

 

as Far as Slayer and Padan fain goes I think they could be counted but also I think to throw yet another fighter into the mix Furyk Karede Leader of the deathwatch guards I think he's at least as good as Galad and Gwayn

[Gentled Ben]

Ah, Aristo beat me to it. I was going to say Elyas because Lan said that he taught him much of what he knows as a Warder.

 

I am surprised that no one has mentioned Slayer or Padan Fain, so allow me to be the first. I am uncertain which is the better, but so far, they have both done rather well in all of their confrontations. Despite all Lan's skill, he has yet to nail a living myrddraal to a door...

 

I think the reason behind leaving those two out is that they're 'something else', and cannot really be categorized as normal beings in the WoT.  I think the nailing to a door of the myrddraal was more or less the myrddraal not having a choice, and didn't fight back.

 

Well, technically, the thread says "Without OP," and usually, people squirm to find loopholes. ;p

 

Farede is a good choice, and so is his little homey, Asumara of whatever his name was. The little dude from the remote Seanchan hill country.

 

Do we know who the best fighter among the Aiel is? Is there an Aiel legend like Jearom?

[agaga]

I don't think their is one known best fighter but I would guess the clan chiefs would be among the best other wise they probably wouldn't be able to hold on to their clans hold's. If not them maybe the leader of one of the warrior societies? The stone dogs or maidens?

[bad company]

As Far as Slayer and Padan fain goes I think they could be counted but also I think to throw yet another fighter into the mix Furyk Karede Leader of the deathwatch guards I think he's at least as good as Galad and Gwayn

Unfortunately I think slayer and fain's style would eliminate them as fain is more into assassination and slayer can use the dream world to travel thus would have too much of an advantage.

[agaga]

I don't think that's a reason to cross them off everyone has some sort of advantage.

 

Lan's Would be being a warder makes him faster and stronger

 

Perrin Has his mad wolf brother skills which give him berserker like qualities

 

Mat's got his insane luck.

 

I think the best fighter is the one that can overcome any of those advantages and still walk away alive.

 

 

[Gentled Ben]

Right--take Elyas for example. He is both a Warder and a wolfbrother, so he can survive wounds that would kill most men, while enjoying the enhanced senses of a wolf. How is that fair to someone like Galad? What if the fight is in the dark? I mean, I mentioned Fain and Slayer largely to be annoying, but they are not so farfetched, and technically, the thread says "without OP."

[DemandredFO]

The best fighter without some type of beyond mere mortal enhancement would be Galad or Gawyn.  I would pick Galad because I hate Gawyn.

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

I don't think their is one known best fighter but I would guess the clan chiefs would be among the best other wise they probably wouldn't be able to hold on to their clans hold's. If not them maybe the leader of one of the warrior societies? The stone dogs or maidens?

But that assumes that a clan chief is chosen because he's the best fighter. I don't think that's ever stated.

 

Thinking about the test for the role of clan chief ... that's not a test that incorporates skill at arms, but rather a mental test.

 

Therefore, I'm not sure that you have to be the best fighter to become a chief. I don't think it factors much.

 

Aiel hierachy doesn't seem to follow obvious lines. e.g. Sorilea and the other Wise Ones.

 

Likewise with the warrior societies.

[Mr Ares]

But that assumes that a clan chief is chosen because he's the best fighter. I don't think that's ever stated.

 

Thinking about the test for the role of clan chief ... that's not a test that incorporates skill at arms, but rather a mental test.

 

Therefore, I'm not sure that you have to be the best fighter to become a chief. I don't think it factors much.

Indeed. They would probably look for someone who would be a good leader, rather than look at who could kick most arse.

 

Well, technically, the thread says "Without OP," and usually, people squirm to find loopholes. ;p

Moridin uses TP. As does Shaidar Haran, presumably. I think that counts as a loophole.

 

[agaga]

I don't think their is one known best fighter but I would guess the clan chiefs would be among the best other wise they probably wouldn't be able to hold on to their clans hold's. If not them maybe the leader of one of the warrior societies? The stone dogs or maidens?

But that assumes that a clan chief is chosen because he's the best fighter. I don't think that's ever stated.

 

Thinking about the test for the role of clan chief ... that's not a test that incorporates skill at arms, but rather a mental test.

 

Therefore, I'm not sure that you have to be the best fighter to become a chief. I don't think it factors much.

 

Aiel hierachy doesn't seem to follow obvious lines. e.g. Sorilea and the other Wise Ones.

 

Likewise with the warrior societies.

 

I get what your saying with the clan chiefs and your probably right but don't you think being clan chief they would strive to become the best fighter. So they could defend their clan by themselves if need be?

 

Also I think it might be different with the warrior societies They elect their own leaders and if I'm not mistaken which I very well could be. We have no idea what their test consists of.

[Duneflayer]

my pick is probably Lan i mean the guy is blademaster quality and i don't know about any1 else but i don't remember ever seeing him lose he gets hit by 1 of the forsaken in Eye of the World but that was with the OP anyway Lan is my pick

[DaTaimsta]

There are different styles of combat to consider. After Galad and Gawyn get beaten by Mat the teacher stands up and says that Jearom (that legendary blademaster) was beaten once by a farmer with a quarterstaff. You have to take into consideration that Mat with his blade spear weapon (the name is too long for me to spell) would be more than a match for anyone with a sword. Therefore, it really is unfair.

 

However, I will say Mat. That spear is way too fast, and the knives are just cheap, since they come out of nowhere. Seriously, Lan could block MAYBE one before Mat threw one through his chest, and that's if he can beat Mat when the gambler is using his spear.

 

Now if you want to look at swordfighting, I was very impressed by Lan, Galad, and Valda. Valda was great, even at Lan's skill if I may be so bold, but his cockiness killed him.

[agaga]

I see what your getting at with Mat's spear but I think Lan is just to good has been drilling himself too long. No I think he would pull that off some how. He's just got to much experiance and after that He is never cocky he just get's the job done. Yes Mat's good he's even my favorite but I think Lan would beat him.

 

Also I think that people are underestimating gawyn The last time he said Galad was better than him was before he started leading the Younglings he's beaten two warder blade masters I think he could match his Half Brother if push came to shove. Especially if he was fighting to protect something. Say Egwene for example? I think he could beat just about anyone if he was fighting to protect that woman.

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

I get what your saying with the clan chiefs and your probably right but don't you think being clan chief they would strive to become the best fighter.

Isn't that what every Aiel fighter does? That makes it unlikely that the chief'd be the best.

So they could defend their clan by themselves if need be?

If it comes down to a whole clan being defended by one person, then they're already dead. It's merely an indication of how seriously they take it.

Also I think it might be different with the warrior societies They elect their own leaders and if I'm not mistaken which I very well could be. We have no idea what their test consists of.

Maybe.

 

But, I'd stack my first ed copy of the TWoT on it not revolving around fighting ability.

 

Remember the saying, "Any fool can kill."

[bad company]

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Quote from: agaga on January 08, 2009, 09:32:00 PM

I get what your saying with the clan chiefs and your probably right but don't you think being clan chief they would strive to become the best fighter.

 

Isn't that what every Aiel fighter does? That makes it unlikely that the chief'd be the best.

 

Another point I'd like to interject(hope that's the right word) the aiel as natural fighters wouldn't necessarally need the best fighter as the leader, a leader is not only skill but ability to use the resources available to produce the required result, as well as draw together troops into one fighting force. Throughout history nations and rules have fallen on the ability of the leader to combine and use whats at their disposal e.g. Hitler had the world on the run but eventually was destroyed for not listening to his generals (overspimlified anyone who wishes to correct me either do it here or PM me), Or if we were to look at the WOT, I wish to compare two generals that of Mat Cauthon and Rand. Mat is indeed helped greatly by all those memories and his incredible luck, however you'll notice that he knows what he has to work with and plans accordingly, as well as the fact that we see in his army many different nations. We also notice a change in Tuons perception of him when her thinking goes from him being a fool and plaything to a lion on the field as he naturally takes charge of his army.

 

Now to rand, still capable general but does seem to have a certain lack of control of the battles he's involved in and we see alot of Tenobia's renegade general in battle control. I think this may be put down to a lack of understanding dealing with his army as you don't have to be blind to see he isn't around that much anywhere.

 

And for those who may wish to abuse me it is opinion thus not always going to be exactly true, and there is a good chance you guys and gals may feel different

[agaga]

Okay you guys are both most likely right about the Aiel. Espescially with that quote I had forgotten about it. But that doesn't solve the riddle if we threw them all in an arena who would come out still kicking with out the One Power. Maybe we'll never know.

[Duneflayer]

There are different styles of combat to consider. After Galad and Gawyn get beaten by Mat the teacher stands up and says that Jearom (that legendary blademaster) was beaten once by a farmer with a quarterstaff. You have to take into consideration that Mat with his blade spear weapon (the name is too long for me to spell) would be more than a match for anyone with a sword. Therefore, it really is unfair.

 

However, I will say Mat. That spear is way too fast, and the knives are just cheap, since they come out of nowhere. Seriously, Lan could block MAYBE one before Mat threw one through his chest, and that's if he can beat Mat when the gambler is using his spear.

 

Now if you want to look at swordfighting, I was very impressed by Lan, Galad, and Valda. Valda was great, even at Lan's skill if I may be so bold, but his cockiness killed him.

 

actualy i disagree in CoS when Lan is training he is focusing like crazy going through the forms of the sword when a grasshopper jumps though the air behind him

 

without breaking rythme Lan turns quick as lightning and cuts the grasshopper in half AS iTS FLYING THROUGH THE FREAKIN AIR don't tell me that a guy who can do that can't block daggers being thrown at him

[Alderthal]

Hrh, on second thoughts, I doubt this discussion will ever end what with everyone having their favorites. I mean, I notice a lot of people saying Galad and Valda, disregarding Gawyn. That's probably because most readers do not like Gawyn as much as Galad. Even though he certainly impressed me much more than Galad at least sword skill wise.

 

Let's see, Hammar and Coulin (We know Hammar was the Warder Blademaster) and Coulin was probably very good too. Killed 4 Aiel alone (Sure, compared to Rand defeating a bajillion Trollocs everytime he farts, it's nothing, but pre Rand, that's a heck of an accomplishment, since the Aiel do not believe in fair fighting if they have the advantage of numbers).

 

Still though, I'm glad a lot of people agree that Lan = AWESOME. I looooved that grasshopper thing. Remember they were behind his FREAKING back, and he was also paying attention to Egwene's convo with Nisao and Myrelle and Siuan WHILE he was at it.

 

As for Mat. Mat's lucky. We've established that. Luck =/= skill. I'm sure he's very good with his staff, but seriously, good enough to beat up Lan (sans luck)?

 

 

[Mr Ares]

As for Mat. Mat's lucky. We've established that. Luck =/= skill. I'm sure he's very good with his staff, but seriously, good enough to beat up Lan (sans luck)?

That question assumes it is possible to remove luck from the equation and see who is better.

[bad company]

I would say luck plays a very large part in a fight, e.g. if you mamaged to slip as the person attacked and it went past or just nicked?

[agaga]

I would say luck plays a very large part in a fight, e.g. if you mamaged to slip as the person attacked and it went past or just nicked?

 

I totally agree. Like I said in an earlier post I think the best fighter is the one who can dash luck and any other outside interference and still come out alive. More or Less :)

[bad company]

Thank you someone finally noticed one of my posts, feels like I was beating my head against the wall ;D

[Padraic_Seebrr]

Guys guys guys. Obviously the best fighter is Bela. I mean honestly, she killed Asmodean, one of the feared FORSAKEN!, in less than a second, with no weapon that we know of. if bela can kill a extremely tough channeler, than im sure she can decimate any non-op fighter even easier