Christmas Mafia

[cosmicpanda]

OK, this is just guilt-trip post for two reasons: I've contributed to the Suras game and I didn't realise that the deadline was so close. I'm used to longer games. Thus I have the laptop with me in bed  :D

 

As to the Mynd assassin claim: well, there's two ways of looking at this, as you can generally find two cups of wine in front of you in most situations in mafia. One, he really is an assassin and he's offering to kill someone for the town. Two, he's mafia trying to hide in plain sight by nightkilling the person the town votes for, while the real assassin does their thing.

 

In view of Lor's latest post, I'm thinking that he really is a vig (speculating about an SK is rather useless, as there's no proof) and she's mafia trying to get the vig lynched. Gut feeling mostly, but she comes to the conclusion that Mynd's probably a serial killer, and votes for him for that; this is ridiculously weak reasoning. She says "if the best you can do is get more innocents killed..." - wait, what? more innocents?

 

In other news:

 

I'm still suspicious of Thorum. Gut feeling mostly, but helped along by posts like this:

 

And why would declaring yourself an assassin win our trust? I've always thought it was better to get rid of any assassins, as they only make everything much more complicated.

 

Personally, I take the view that more town directed kills are a good thing as they = more chances of killing mafia.

 

 

Tigs has also raised my suspicions - he quietly hopped on the Lor bandwagon and said that he had little interest in the game since he didn't have a role. How silly is this? If you have little interest, replace out, or play the game with what you're given. Sounds like a mafioso laying low to me. The fact he's voting Lor throws a spanner in the works, but I might be wrong about her and right about him, or he might be trying to bus her (what I believe is known as "Kivam's gambit" - is this right?)

 

Anyway, [glow=red,2,300]Lor[/glow] for the lynch and [glow=yellow,2,300]Tigs[/glow] for the vig-kill.

[Loreina]

Not really wierd...for me that is.  Actually, if you read Barmy's night recap, you will see that only Vemy's toys were sabotaged.  Talya just didn't show up for work that day. Why? Because the Jolly one wanted me to give her the pink slip!

 

The truth of the matter is Lorei, your theory really didn't make much sense at all and seemed to me like a desparate attempt to get people off Lia.  You have been gunning for me since the beginning, which is why I am puzzled you guys didn't choose me to be night killed instead of Vemy.  Plus, we need a majority on someone since we have some lazy elfs around here....

 

Anyways, your death will point us in the right direction of who to kill.

 

I stand by my statement folks.....vote for the player you wish killed tonight in [glow=yellow,2,300]yellow[/glow] and I will submit my night kill on the one with the most yellow votes.   

 

Yes, more smoke and mirrors, by you (btw, I thought you said you didn't know what that meant)?

1)What difference does it make who made toys and who didn't?  ::)

2)Gunning for you from the beginning? The end of day one is hardly the beginning.

3)My death will point them in your direction, because you will have lynched another innocent.

 

Yes Panda more innocents - Cat was an innocent, remember? And he led the bandwagon on her, too. Are you Evil that you would so willingly misunderstand what I said?  I said lynched.

 

What's all this about a deadline anyway? Barm said

I will extend days and nights to accomodate weekends if necessary.

  I took that to mean that weekends didn't count in the hour totals. Some people don't have access on weekends.  And you want me to believe that Mynd is not trying to bandwagon me the way he did Cat? 

 

[MsDanya]

I was going to give mostly the same reason for lynching [glow=red,2,300]Tigs [/glow]as Cosmic Panda did. I dont think thats a very good exuse to be inactive, and I'm more inclined to believe its a low laying mafia, than a mafiagameloving innocent  :P I might be wrong, but some people who are mafia play like that.

 

And the Kivams Gambit is when two mafia agree to argue in thread, have one lynched, which again will make the players believe the other one is innocent. that was a really crappy explanation, but i'm home sick from work, so my brain isnt really working atm anyways.

 

 

[Thorum]

And why would declaring yourself an assassin win our trust? I've always thought it was better to get rid of any assassins, as they only make everything much more complicated.

 

Personally, I take the view that more town directed kills are a good thing as they = more chances of killing mafia.

 

Yes but.

 

It makes games much more complicated. Which makes it harder to get a higher rate of accuracy in our daylynches. AND it's more democratic.

 

Also, I still get the worst maffia-vibe from mynd. So [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] and [glow=red,2,300]vote[/glow]

 

No idea why we should unvote if we vote someone else the same post

[Myndrunner]

Ok, stray voltage from Myndrunner as I try to answer the various questions and pundits:

 

So you think vote is mafia, Thorum?  Is that it?  Is that why you voted [glow=red,2,300]vote[/glow]?  Vote does seem a bit scummish lately.... :D

 

Loreina, I am still not sure how my unvote of Catina to vote Vemy and then back to Catina is either a smoke and mirrors tactic or a bandwagon.  My main concern at that point was to not be the one with the most votes.  Plain and simple.  As you can read from my posts, I was suspicous of Catina among other people, but it was hardly a bandwagon.  If anything, Catina brought that lynch on herself with her own vague accusations and overall tone.  Funny how you select me out of the 6 people who voted for her.

 

And again, much in the same way with Catina, I am not leading anything on you.  Personally, I find Thorum equally scummish right now, followed by a few others, but you have made some very vaguely accusatory posts that really haven't helped us much at all.  If you are innocent, which I think is unlikely, then it will at least help us narrow down who isn't innocent. 

 

Lore, I stand corrected.  You have had it in for me from the beginning of you actually participating in the game, aside from Day 1 sillyness.  Is that a better way to say it then?  ;)

 

Thorum, a vigilante makes the game much more complicated for the mafia, I agree.  I have also elimenated the guesswork to some degree in that I have made it democratic.  We are now going to vote in the thread on who I should Vig kill.  Vote the name in yellow on who you want me to whack.  Not only wil this prove that I am the Vig by who I kill, but also makes the entire process more like a night lynch rather than a solo kill. 

 

Cosmic, I am with you on the Thorum and I am debating weather or not it should be Tigs or Thorum.  Honestly, Thorum has pinged more on my radar than Tigs based on his posts, but I will go with our majority vote here.  I only ask that our good friend Doctor McCoy makes sure I make it to Day 3.  ;)

 

Danya, I see your reason for voting Tigs in the lynch, but Cosmic is actually voting Tigs for the Vig kill.  He is voting Loreina for our Day 2 lynch.  Do you wish to change your lynch vote or keep it on Tigara for Day 2? 

 

Paging Mr. Verbal Kint to the thread.  Mr. Verbal?  We would like to hear from you now.  Thank you. 

 

And a new Vote recount as of this post:

 

Liathiana votes Tigara

Myndrunner votes Loreina

Tigara corrects his unvote and votes Loreina

Loreina votes Mynd

Cosmic Panda votes Loreina

Danya votes Tigara

Thormum unvotes and then votes for [glow=red,2,300]vote[/glow]

Mynd facepalms

 

MOD: Thorum obviously wants to vote me, so in the interest of semantics and such, I'm going to go ahead and act like he is voting me, even though technically he still didn't get it right.  We all understand that the official votes are solely up to the discretion of the Mod.  Fair enough?

 

Day 2 Lynch Votes:

[glow=red,2,300]Tigara[/glow] (2) - Liathiana, Danya

[glow=red,2,300]Liathiana [/glow] (1) - Verbal

[glow=red,2,300]Loreina[/glow] (4) - Hybrid, Myndrunner, Tigara, Cosmic Panda

[glow=red,2,300]Myndrunner[/glow] (1) - Loreina, Thorum

 

Night 2 Vigilante Votes:

[glow=yellow,2,300]Tigara[/glow] (1) - Cosmic Panda

 

Ok, Loreina is dangerously close to a majority at this point.  Does anyone see what I see happening here?  The lines are clearly being drawn......but who is on which side of the line is what spooks me.

 

Say that Loreina is not mafia, who can say with a halo on their head that they didn't vote her and we should go after Myndrunner?  We have Thorum, Danya, Verbal, and Lia....of course, Verbal probably hasn't been on to revote.  I think we should reconsider Thorum at this point.

 

I'm gonna [glow=green,2,300]un[/glow][glow=red,2,300]vote[/glow] right now.  I find something interesting going on here.  I'll be back in a moment....but even with my unvote, Lore still has the majority.  Also, don't forget to start voting for the Vig votes now in that Barm will likely lock this thread at night. 

[MsDanya]

I know he did. I would rather vote to lynch him than to vig kill him. I'm not too sure if you're completely truthful.

[Verbal32]

I said before that I wouldn't remove my vote and place it elsewhere until something more solid on somebody else came up.  That still hasn't happened, so I'm keeping my vote on Liath.  Her post was the most mafia-ish (I refuse to say scummish) so far, while several of her other posts have been thoughtful and direct.  Based on that, I think it might have been a slip-up by her, so I voted her.

 

Mynd, I'll admit that the vig voting thing is a good idea, but at this point I don't have another suspect as high as I have Liath, so I'm going to withhold a yellow vote.

[Thorum]

So you think vote is mafia' date=' Thorum?  Is that it?  Is that why you voted vote?  Vote does seem a bit scummish lately.... [/quote']

 

Best of all is I even saw it. Mynd. Though my reasoning starts to fall apart.

 

Verbal. Because he doesn't do much anyway

[Verbal32]

Also, I still get the worst maffia-vibe from mynd. So [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] and [glow=red,2,300]vote[/glow]

 

Best of all is I even saw it. Mynd. Though my reasoning starts to fall apart.

 

Verbal. Because he doesn't do much anyway

 

Let me get this straight, Thorum.  You vote Mynd because he gives you the worst mafia-vibe.  Ok, I can understand that.  And then you vote me yellow, because "I don't do much anyway".  My potentially witty comeback notwithstanding, you do realize that the person who has claimed this role, and seems prepared to prove it by killing the player we suggest, is the same person you find to be most mafia-like?

 

On what world is this a logical course of action?  :-\

 

Well, because I actually believe Mynd here, and in the interest of self-preservation and not wanting to kill even more innocents, I'm going to vote [glow=yellow,2,300]Tigara[/glow] for the assassin kill.  And seeing that Liath is voting for Tigs for a lynch, it makes me more inclined to think that perhaps Liath is innocent, as it wouldn't make too much sense for mafia to vote each other right now (to easy for a potential bandwagon to form and too late for randomness).  Enough so that I will [glow=red,2,300]unvote Liath[/glow].

[Myndrunner]

SCUMMISH!! SCUMMISH! SCUMMISH!!!   (Come on, Count Verb, you know you love it!!!)

 

Alrighty....more stray voltage:

 

Thorum, I am beginning to think you actually want to keep your vote on Cosmic Panda without anyone noticing.  You are a very experienced player and DM member, so I am certain you know the difference between glowed and colored text.  Why do you continue to mess up your unvote?

 

Danya, your suspiciouns are valid but I can give you some assurances.  One, if my role was a solo win, it would be ill advised for me to reveal at this time.  Our win condition is to elimenate the mafia not to elimenate the mafia and the assassin.  I win with the innocents, so it is my best interest to target the mafia.  Besides, trusting me has nothing to do with casting your yellow vote...I will still select someone to kill, I just rather it be a majority consensus, thats all.  

 

Verbal, Lia has me perplexed in that I almost buy her whole deal about just being frustrated.  Tigara became a bit suspect in his defense of her, but then she goes on to vote him.  Very curious to me.  I almost think that lynching her would be best in that innocent or mafia, the coroner report will shed some light on who has been for and against her.  She is near the top of my list for certain, but there are other culpable fiends in this game.....

 

.....namely, Thorum.  See above for my concerns about his voting.  Also, he was with the whole mob that wanted Cosmic Panda's head until I blew the whistle on it.  Metagamers can see that he is being very Mafia Thorum in this game with trying to take control of the game with his charts and analysis.  What happened to all that, Thor?  You were on a roll there and then suddenly...KAPUT.  No more plusses and minuses.  If that really wasn't your mafia tell, then how come you stopped when it was pointed out?  ;)

 

Loreina, assuming that you are innocent for a moment, who would you lynch besides me and why?

[MsDanya]

Danya, your suspiciouns are valid but I can give you some assurances.  One, if my role was a solo win, it would be ill advised for me to reveal at this time.  Our win condition is to elimenate the mafia not to elimenate the mafia and the assassin.  I win with the innocents, so it is my best interest to target the mafia.  Besides, trusting me has nothing to do with casting your yellow vote...I will still select someone to kill, I just rather it be a majority consensus, thats all.

 

But how can we know that? What if we're jsut doing the Mafias job for them, or your job of winning solo for you? of course you can reveal, and still make it as solo-winner. All you need to do is make the innocents believe you win with the innocents, and kill whoever they want you to kill. Sorry, im just not convinced.

 

[Myndrunner]

Danya, I think you are missing the whole point of voting.  The yellow votes is not something Barmy the Mod has created here, it is solely a poll that I am conducting among everyone to see who I should kill tonight.  I could have just as easily not said anything and picked someone by myself. 

 

Also, seeing who everyone wants me to kill tonight is also another avenue of information gathering for us innocent people.  The more you put off voting for someone, the more SCUMMISH you are beginning to look.  Refusing to vote for the vigilante kill is a statement in its own.

 

One last thing, I assure you that I am innocent; however, even if I were a solo win character, my goal right now would be the same either way: ELIMENATE THE MAFIA.  If I were a solo win player, which I am not, then I would want the Mafia out of the way first so that we don't have their night kill looming over our heads.  Help me in this task right now, and if the game does not end when the mafia are all gone, then you may lynch me.  Make sense? 

[Verbal32]

Verbal, Lia has me perplexed in that I almost buy her whole deal about just being frustrated.  Tigara became a bit suspect in his defense of her, but then she goes on to vote him.  Very curious to me.  I almost think that lynching her would be best in that innocent or mafia, the coroner report will shed some light on who has been for and against her.  She is near the top of my list for certain, but there are other culpable fiends in this game.....

 

.....namely, Thorum.  See above for my concerns about his voting.  Also, he was with the whole mob that wanted Cosmic Panda's head until I blew the whistle on it.  Metagamers can see that he is being very Mafia Thorum in this game with trying to take control of the game with his charts and analysis.  What happened to all that, Thor?  You were on a roll there and then suddenly...KAPUT.  No more plusses and minuses.  If that really wasn't your mafia tell, then how come you stopped when it was pointed out?   ;)

 

I actually do buy Liath's deal now, but that is because she voted for Tigara.  If she was mafia, she wouldn't be doing that at this point.  Like I said, it's too late for the silly randomness thing, and it's too risky for an accidental bandwagon to form and then losing a teammate.

 

I see what you're saying about getting info from Liath's lynch, but I do not think it is our best option.  We should stick with our top suspects and lynch them.  Lynching somebody we think might be innocent is bad - lynching somebody we think might be mafia is much better.  I'm not sure about Lor - and I can't decide between Thorum and Tigara enough to place a vote right now.  How much time do we have left?

[Myndrunner]

Time left?  Honestly, I thought time was up by now, but I think like Lore said Barmy is making exceptions for weekends. Kinda like 3 Business Days rather than three days.  I just finished my last final exam today so I am a FREEEEEE MAN until next semester!!  WOOT!

 

Anyways, Danya and Liath are both pushing for a lynch on Tigs, and Danya is climbing up my MafiaScum radar right now.  I still don't understand why she won't vote for tonight's Vig kill.  It just doesn't make sense to me. 

 

I also am second guessing the lynch on Loreina as well.  All vendettas against Myndrunner should not make one look scummish, and in some cases, it makes you innocent.  I've been known to toss out wild theories and the fact that no one understood what the heck she was talking about, leads me to believe that she is working alone and therefore innocent. 

 

I keep coming back to Thorum.  He lead the charge on Cosmic Panda but only after Liath made her comment "gee whiz" comment about lynching whoever had it in for Vemy.  Liath didn't actually vote for CP but Thorum did....and technically, his vote remains on CP since he has flubbed his unvote twice now.  Something is fishy with that whole thing and when I called him out on his numbers and fact findings being a mafia tell, his activity stopped. 

 

But keep in mind that the mafia are in communication.  Right now, PM's and IM's are flying back and fourth on strategy.  They are preparing themselves for this battle, and will try and discredit as many of us as they can.  We need to vote someone and we need a majority.  I'm not sure Tigs is the one, but he may end up suffering my Vig kill anyways. 

 

I want to hear back from Lore on who she would lynch besides me.

[Liathiana]

Wow! Lots of activity since I left for work, I"m too tired to think at the moment (got up at 4:30 pm yesterday, worked 9 pm - 8:30 am, and I'm fading fast) so I'm not going to try to make any kind of a decision. If we still have time after I wake up I'll try to add something more constructive, sorry.

[Hybrid]

So you think vote is mafia' date=' Thorum?  Is that it?  Is that why you voted vote?  Vote does seem a bit scummish lately.... [/quote']

 

Best of all is I even saw it. Mynd. Though my reasoning starts to fall apart.

 

Verbal. Because he doesn't do much anyway

I agree with Verbal here, the contradictory nature of this post is very interesting, to say the least.  Not to mention the idea of killing off people "who don't do much" isn't exactly the most pro-town motive out there.  So I'm going to be taking a much closer look at Thorum's posts so far.

 

As for the whole assassin issue, I refuse to vote for someone.  I'm a bit leery of the whole system devised by Mynd.  It seems an awful lot like escaping responsibility.  If the player killed is an innocent, it's not Mynd's fault because we voted on it.  Plus, it implies that we have to kill someone each night.  It also assumes that a) Mynd is the assassin and b) the assassin is not an evil role.  Though I do agree that we should get rid of the mafia before taking a look at possibility b as it will only confuse us.

[Myndrunner]

I see what you mean Hybrid, but I assure you that the responsability ultimately falls on me with this kill.  I can say "screw you all, I'm killing Verbal!" if I really wanted to, but I am not going to. I am truly interested in hearing from each of you on who you would recommend that I kill, but ultimately, the decision is still mine to make.  We don't have a finder so I am relying on the information of us all here to make an educated decision.

 

Really, the vigilante vote system here is very much pro-town.  To refuse to vote at all is very anti-town.  Again, part of the whole reason for the yellow votes is to see who people recommend.  You and Danya both refuse to vote which I find very interesting.

[cosmicpanda]

Yes Panda more innocents - Cat was an innocent, remember? And he led the bandwagon on her, too. Are you Evil that you would so willingly misunderstand what I said?  I said lynched.

 

Um, no, you didn't.

 

If the best you can do is get more innocents killed...

 

OK, so you meant that he would get more innocents killed during the day. Why does his role matter, then? That counts only at night. Second, if he's a serial killer like you seem to think, why would he only vote for innocents? Surely he'd be happy to go for innocents and mafia indiscriminately.

 

[Tigara]

It appears I ping thy scumdar. However, I cannot provide thee with a defense until I can actually figure out what you are accusing me of.  ;) Make it clear how you feel about me, please.

 

But I'm going to leave my vote as is on Thorum and I'll add a [glow=yellow,2,300]Thorum[/glow] since he seems rather contradictory and refuses to vote properly. :P No one else of significant suspicion to mention.

[cosmicpanda]

I did say what I accuse you of. You were lying low, and when people called you on it you gave a silly answer.

[Tigara]

I didn't give a silly answer. I said that I always lie low unless I have a special role. That's just my playing style. Just like Mynd is eccentric.

[Myndrunner]

Again, I see everyone else as less mafia versus more mafia, no one but me is 100% innocent in my eyes.  I assume everyone else plays the same way....except the Mafia, of course who KNOW who is innocent and who is not.  Right then....

 

I'm not exactly sure now when our deadline will be, but we're gonna have to come to a mutual agreement.  I am still puzzled why some of you refuse to vote for my vigilante kill.  Call it a suggestion, call it a direct order from the innocent collective.  By not voting, you are preventing us from another line of information.....and the only ones who would benefit from blocking information opportunities are MAFIA.  What do you have to hide? hmmmm?

 

Tigs, I'm vexed a bit with you and Liathiana.  Coming to her defense and voting Thorum was interesting but her turn in voting you with Danya is even more disturbing.  You may be pinging louder on other peoples radar, but Lianth and Danya are pinging louder than you on mine.  Maybe you can explain to us all a bit more why you came to her defense like that......I mean, what she posted was INCREDIBLY scummish.  Agree?

[Tigara]

I wouldn't call what I did coming to her defense. She appeared to be genuinely frustrated and I didn't want ya'll to turn her away from mafia. That's not what we want to do.

[Loreina]

*burp* Another Christmas party... ;D  Yum!

I want to hear back from Lore on who she would lynch besides me.

Mynd, I don't know. There's been a lot of posting since I was here last. And it's too late and I'm too tired to analyze right now. I share your frustration with the non-voters.  So maybe Tigs or Verb or Danya. But the thing is, one of them is bound to be the Healer. Then what good will it be? 

 

[Hybrid]

Well, that last post by Loreina has dropped her off by radar for now since it seems she isn't holding onto her self-acknowledged crazy theory.  Also, Christmas parties?  Obviously not an evil elf.  :D

 

Thorum is pinging my radar a lot more for previously mentioned reasons, so [glow=red,2,300]unvote and vote Thorum.[/glow]

 

Mynd, if you are sticking with the vig kill by popular demand method, I'd suggest you stick to what the group decides and we lynch you if you don't.  I assume the whole point of the group vote is a second "lynch" vote to bring out more information, but if you don't go with the group decision that sort of defeats the purpose, right?  "So-and-so looked more suspicious to me" could also be an attempt to protect your teammates if you are really mafia.  As far as my vote for the kill would go, I'd have to see how today turns out closer to the deadline before deciding.  That's assuming you agree with me or convince me otherwise, of course.