Min's Viewing about Moiraine

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At the beginning of "A Crown of Swords" Min thinks about a viewing of Rand, in which he needs Moiraine to succeed.  She assumes that her viewing is wrong and Moiraine is dead.  This confuses me.  Min has never been wrong in her entire life, and Moiraine was obviously alive when everyone last saw her going through the doorway.  Of course they all assumed she died, but Min has her viewing as evidence to the contrary.  Why is it that Min assumes she is wrong rather than (1) Moiraine is not dead or (2) the viewing was right and Rand will definitely fail?

 

It seems to me that Min should either be holding out hope for Moiraine or freaking out.

[Darth_Andrea]

While Rand and Min don't know it, Moiraine is indeed alive. She is being held by the  Eelfinn (Fox people) and is quiet alive. Thom and Mat know it because of the letter she sent to Thom before she fought Lanfear. They are going to go rescue her in AMOL. Along with who we believe might really be Jain Farstrider.

 

 

 

Darth_Andrea       

 

[Hybrid]

At the beginning of "A Crown of Swords" Min thinks about a viewing of Rand, in which he needs Moiraine to succeed.  She assumes that her viewing is wrong and Moiraine is dead.  This confuses me.  Min has never been wrong in her entire life, and Moiraine was obviously alive when everyone last saw her going through the doorway.  Of course they all assumed she died, but Min has her viewing as evidence to the contrary.  Why is it that Min assumes she is wrong rather than (1) Moiraine is not dead or (2) the viewing was right and Rand will definitely fail?

 

It seems to me that Min should either be holding out hope for Moiraine or freaking out.

I think Min's opinion is actually the logical one given that she isn't as informed as we readers are.  Min has never been wrong--yet.  But it only takes one false viewing to prove that Min's viewings can be wrong, so she can't assume yet that her viewings always happen.  Min assumes Moiraine's dead because there's no evidence to the contrary: she saw Moiraine fall through the doorway, and the doorway melt behind her.  She has no knowledge that a rescue is even feasible.  Yet she doesn't want to believe that Rand will fail, because it's not human nature to give up (most of the time  :P).  So she decides that her viewing was wrong .

[lordofsoup]

she does have good reason though, her bond with Lan was severed the moment she went in

[mb]

The viewing is actually a women dead and gone; not necessarily Moiraine, though Moiraine might be one candidate that could fulfill that.

The viewing is actually in the 35th chapter, not at the beginning of the book.

 

I think we cannot be entirely certain if Moiraine is alive or dead; nothing in the books proves either.

 

Min did not see Moiraine fall through the doorway; she was in Salidar when it happened.

 

Either Moiraine was stilled or she was killed; we cannot be certain which one right now.

 

[Majsju]

 

Either Moiraine was stilled or she was killed; we cannot be certain which one right now.

 

 

Perhaps those of us who have read all the books knows something you do not ;)

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Yet she doesn't want to believe that Rand will fail, because it's not human nature to give up (most of the time  Tongue).  So she decides that her viewing was wrong.

Why not hold out the (more logical in my opinion) hope that Moiraine somehow survived?  There are three possible conclusions for Min:

1) Moiraine is not dead

2) Rand is going to fail

3) The viewing was wrong

If you want to talk about not giving up, isn't the first option the best?  Maybe Min doesn't even consider that Rand, Lan and the rest could be wrong about Moiraine because she is an airhead, constantly thinking about Rand when she's not lost in a book.

 

The viewing is actually in the 35th chapter, not at the beginning of the book.

oops.  When I looked up the quote I mistook the chapter for the page number.

 

Min did not see Moiraine fall through the doorway; she was in Salidar when it happened.

Didn't mean to imply it, however she could have gotten the details of that day from Rand.  Also, the less Min knows about the fight with Lanfear, the greater possibility from her perspective that Moiraine might have survived.

[Hybrid]

Yet she doesn't want to believe that Rand will fail, because it's not human nature to give up (most of the time  Tongue).  So she decides that her viewing was wrong.

Why not hold out the (more logical in my opinion) hope that Moiraine somehow survived?  There are three possible conclusions for Min:

1) Moiraine is not dead

2) Rand is going to fail

3) The viewing was wrong

If you want to talk about not giving up, isn't the first option the best? 

Not necessarily.  As far as Min is concerned, there's pretty definite proof that Moiraine is gone.  On the other hand, there's no definite proof that her viewings always come true.  Of course, that's my interpretation of her thought process.

[Pixiedragon]

The viewing is actually a women dead and gone; not necessarily Moiraine, though Moiraine might be one candidate that could fulfill that.

The viewing is actually in the 35th chapter, not at the beginning of the book.

 

I think we cannot be entirely certain if Moiraine is alive or dead; nothing in the books proves either.

 

Min did not see Moiraine fall through the doorway; she was in Salidar when it happened.

 

Either Moiraine was stilled or she was killed; we cannot be certain which one right now.

 

The way the sentence is worded seems to imply that this are Min's own words, not a description of the viewing but a subjective interpretation.

And, as we have seen before, interpretations can be very wrong.

[ROB_88]

The viewing is actually a women dead and gone; not necessarily Moiraine, though Moiraine might be one candidate that could fulfill that.

The viewing is actually in the 35th chapter, not at the beginning of the book.

 

I think we cannot be entirely certain if Moiraine is alive or dead; nothing in the books proves either.

 

Min did not see Moiraine fall through the doorway; she was in Salidar when it happened.

 

Either Moiraine was stilled or she was killed; we cannot be certain which one right now.

 

The way the sentence is worded seems to imply that this are Min's own words, not a description of the viewing but a subjective interpretation.

And, as we have seen before, interpretations can be very wrong.

 

that's what i always thought too. she knows the viewing is about Moiraine, and she "knows" that Moiraine is dead, so she change the wording to say that it is all impossible in some strange way