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I believe I can say with a certain degree of definiteness that you are the one who commonly jumps to conclusions, Bob. Who thinks the Ring of Tarmyrlin is a sa'angreal? I have never heard this mentioned in any sort of coherent theory.If you ask me, it is merely a symbol of office, like the Amyrlin's stole. That an unknown artifact more powerful than Callandor is mentioned, does not mean that we necessarily have to have a clue of what it is. Just because the Ring of Tamyrlin is mentioned, gives no reason to assume that that is it.

 

Also, it is not a logical assumption to claim that there exists a third source of Power that stems directly from the Creator. Why? Because the One Power is his power. So why is he not more picky about who gets to use it, as the Dark One is? Well, because he does not intervene in the lives of his creations. He lets them go about their business.

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Neither of those is my asumption. I'm merely answering the questions that have been asked.

 

A third *'angreal, usable by males HAS been mentioned. The Ring of Tamyrlin has been mentioned as a possibility. I simply relayed that information.

 

The One Power is the power the Creator supposedly set in place to drive the Wheel and power the universe. There is no indication that it has any further connection to the Creator. It's merely something he put in place so he didn't have to stand around and tend the machinery. Since the DO has a Power that stems directly from it, there is no reason to suppose that the Creator does not have a similar Power that stems directly from it. There is also no requirement for there to be any such symmetry. It is merely one further possibility.

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It would make sense to have an alterior power, if not just the will of the creator. I just checked up on the Strike, and it says that even with the two sa'angreal, all they meant toi do with it was to erect a barrier untill they could come up with a better idea. Seeing how the second Great ter'angreal was destroyed, the Light has half its power, and not even the ring of Tamyrlin (if it exists) would help at all at TG.

 

Btw, where is the Ring mentioned? Whats BWB?

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The ring is mentioned in the prologue to The Eye of the World, and possibly in the BWB as well, I can not remember.

 

The BWB is short for the Big White Book, which is short for Teresa Patterson and Robert Jordan's "The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time".

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There is never a description about Lews' Ring, so nobody here can say that it is a ter'angreal, or sa'angreal. Im gonna go ahead and assume that when they say 2 are more powerful than Calandor they mean the statues.(both male and female)

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>>If you're going to postulate that the Creator is taking some part in things, then it's equally valid to postulate a third form of Power, flowing directly from the Creator, that is only available to special adherents of the Light; also undetectable.

 

Not nessasarily. We have evidence in three forms. One)The voice at the begining states its intention to not get personally involved, if that was the creator, and drawing from mythological precedence, the act of guidence is not to get involved. Therefore arguing that he granted access to his own power base is against that.

Two) Lanfear spent the better part of her adult life looking for other power sources. She was good at what she did, she detected the Dark One... but not the Creator. I would suppostate therefore that the Creators power is either the One Power, or indivisible from it.

Three)The character of the channeler did not match that of some super servent of the Light... indeed, that is Rand, and had the Creator been going to bestow this on anyone, it would be Rand.

 

The second is thought to be the Ring of Tamyrlin. But' date=' nobody knows for sure if that's it, or where that ring might be now. LTT may have been wearing it when he offed himself.[/quote']

 

Actually its not. The BWB says that no one really knew what it was, only that it was worn by all the High Seats, both men and women. Why whould a female High Seat wear a male sa'angreal? I suspect the ring is likely only a symbol of power, though it may be a ter'angreal of some sort.

 

Additionally it should be noted that Lanfear said that as far as she knew of the two more powerful then Callandor, only the Choedan Kal survived... of course that doesn't mean it was destroyed, just that its probably going to be hard to find, and not in any of the great holdings.

 

And Ilyena, like Jellybelly said, the two could be the Cheodan Kal as Lanfear definitaely specified that both of the two were male sa'angreal.

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Two) Lanfear spent the better part of her adult life looking for other power sources. She was good at what she did' date=' she detected the Dark One... but not the Creator. I would suppostate therefore that the Creators power is either the One Power, or indivisible from it.[/quote']

 

The dark one, however, wanted to be found, and made no effort to hide himself...

The creator on the other hand is actually staying on the edge of the picture.

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I belive that the man in Shadar Logoth that helped rand IS the Creator.

 

The true power can be used by ANYONE good, bad, mean, or Darkfriend. (This is divided into two parts.)

 

The True source was able to be used by any adherents of the Dark One (now only the nae'blis) in addition to the true power.

 

It would be logical and add symmetry if there was another power which the creator used, scince he maintains a general rule of non-interference, he doent let anuone use the power.

 

And finally the reason Fanfear didnt find the creator's power was because he didn't want it found. The Darkone has been through this a few times: he knows that someone will find him. He is TRYING to be found. He WANTS to get out.

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ok

first of all, i dont think the dark one or the creator take a human form, the DO is only ever a disembodied voice, so there is no reason to think that either of them can take an individual form and 'interfere' with the wheel.

the man in shadar logoth is generally accepted tobe moridin, (see that other thread you posted this idea in)

i think the concept of the DO breaking free is a metaphor for ultimate evil and darkness engulfing the world. neither he nor the creator can win absolutely while bound to the wheel because there is an enforced balance.

hence to idea of breaking the wheel...which i think might be significantly harder than the DO thinks.

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Actually it seems likely that the Dark One just wants to destroy the wheel... And that Ishamael knew this.

 

Additionally Dark Shadow, you got it round the wrong way, The True Source is channeled by all, the True Power by Moridin alone. Additionally it wouldn't add symmatry to have a third part. Symatry is two identical but oposite sides of something.

 

Finally the evidence of it being the Creator is that, what... an indefinable need for there to be an oposite source of power to the True Power despite the fact that the True Source plays that role, and nine books were taken up with making it usable to Rand... and then he what, throws all that away in the space of one book. It would be cheap from an authorial point of view.

 

As oposed to the massive evidence of moridin which i am not going to repost here.

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i think everything will eork out well, as we know the wheel works in a cycle, or a t least a modified cycle, so likely the last battle will completely seal the Bore. People will eventually forget what the DO was, and they will advance to a new AoL, they will then redrill the bore, release the DO, have forsaken, etc. and all will start over again but with different peeps doing the stuff ... ... ... i think this is proven by Ishmaels/Ba'alzamons reference to the "many endless battles" when taling to Rand/Perrin/Matt in the dreams early on

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in truth, i dont think we'll really ever see the dark one pop out of the bore. The entire essense of the tale is off balance. Good and evil-the creator and the DO are almost like 2 sides of a coin. There can never be total good nor can there be total evil. The balance may shift, yes, but neither can overcome the other.

 

In truth after reading 11 verses about the bloody (well travelled:P) wind, i think that end will go something like this.

 

A wind blew across the---------it travels far and wide-----the wind slowed and ended. The wheel of time has no beggining or end. But it was an end.

 

 

i'm rooting for the pillsbury doughboy to appear from somewhere (saying he-hehehe as only he can) wield his rolling pin of painful doom and walloping the hell outta the DARK ONE.lol. :P :D

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Yeah, well, anyway...

 

Hi, Fader!

 

What all this bizarre speculation on the nature of the symmetry between The Creator And The Dark One has to do with predictions for "The End" is beyond me. But my theory on the last scene in the history of WOT goes like this. Rand and his three wives are in bed "relaxing" when Aviendha whispers in his ear, "Oh, by the way, I've been meaning to tell you, I killed Asmodean. You're not mad, are you? Let me make it up to you..."

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Always wondered what that last scene would be, ever since I found out that RJ had that first and wrote the story leading up to it. I would like to see Rand live and be made Tamyrlin (but that is just a happy little daydream I fear). A New-Age of Legends perhaps? or more change to bring it into likeness with our present age, like the disappearance of the ability to channel the Power, which probably wouldn't be a bad thing (but only coz I can't channel a lick! lol)? But I know how it ends like this........

The End

of the Fourteenth Book of

The Wheel of Time

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