Reds bonding Asha'man

[Jaydena]

Have fun you guys, I will snatch up any you don't take. *winks*

[Tigara]

Nuh uh! Jas will bond them all and take over the world!!!! Mwhahahahahahaha!!

 

>.>

 

Maybe I'll leave one for you if you give me cookies.... *wink*

[Elgee]

How's your baking, Jade? *giggles*

 

Seriously: forgot to ask you earlier - we would need to make a rule about how many Warders/Bondeds a Red can have.

 

Up to now, they've been allowed to bond only female Warders, I think? I can't recall off-hand if the rule was only 1 per character, or more.

 

I was thinking the following rule (to be put in place of whatever the previous rule was):

 

Members of the Red Ajah may bond only female Warders, or members of the Black Tower (I'm specifically saying BT members, not just men who can channel - one of the bargaining chips from Reds will be that we will no longer gentle men we find who can channel, but hand them over to the BT.).

 

as for how many - Here's a few options:

 

Max of 2 BT's + 1 female (if that's the current max)

Max of 3 Warders (any ratio of BT's and female)

Max of 4 ...

 

What do you guys (including Jade) think?

 

edit in:

 

Also, I've been throwing ideas around with Seg and his proxy, Sieve, about how this is going to take place. So far we have something like the following (which as I told them, is not set in stone - it's just brain-storming still):

 

Amyrlin tells Highest that Reds may bond BT'ers (big rp thread at the Reds about the telling, decisions, etc)

 

Zarinen (Highest) and maybe some others will then go to the BT to negotiate (who will she negotiate with, btw?)

 

THEN EITHER:

 

Once agreement is reached, those with her can Bond

 

OR:

 

The M'Hael lends her an Asha'man to Travel with her to the Tower so she can tell the AS what agreement has been reached, and they Travel back to the BT for the Bondings.

 

The reason why there is an option B, is because the Amyrlin is also going to partake in the Bonding, and it is highly unlikely she would form part of the negotiating team.

 

input?

[Jaydena]

Hmmmmm I don't see why that wouldn't work. It's a little weird for me to see the Reds go to the BT and ask to bond since they are so anti bonding to these men. However since some of them were bonded and since they have bonded females, maybe they think they can control the men? I think it will work! Ohhh and for a ratio, my opinion is up to 2 BT and 1 female warder.

[Tigara]

My vote is for 3 bondeds in total with no more than 1 female warder. *nods sagely*

[Muirenn]

I say we scrap the female warders altogether and only bond the BT boys. :D

 

If we get Shevara in on the bonding, do we want her to publicly be known to hold a bond?  Or should it be kept quiet?

 

Zarienin and Shevara need to have a sit down and discuss the ideas IC.  Z has actually bonded a man who can channel before, and Shevara is heavily suspected of having done so.  Would be an interesting convo for all the secrets to come out!

[Elgee]

Zarinen and Shevara will definitely have to discuss this - I think you said you'd like Shevara to broach the subject with Zarinen? Eventually the Sitters will have to be told (or at the same time).

 

My personal feeling on female warders is: grrrr ... but aren't there already Reds with those?

 

Whether or not Shevara let's it be known she's bonded one, would be up to you, i'd say - it would be interesting RP either way  ;D

One thing I would suggest is that she be the bond holder - it wouldn't do for the Amyrlin to BE bonded *shudders at the thought of THAT uproar!* - she'd probably find herself deposed  :P

[Jaydena]

I don't know if there are. Maybe do a survey and see if any of your girls have a female warder or are planning on having one??

[Elgee]

Yah ... if I can find them  ;D

 

I'd rather make it a 3 max warder (either 2 BT Char's & 1 Female, or 3 BT Char's max). That way we'll get to do this thing this year still.

 

Jade, what are the other Ajah's rules on this? And maybe I should ask the Warders.

[Jehaine]

*raises hand*

 

Sorry to intrude, but i have a female TG, Melenis. And it's likely that my next WY char will be a female as well, given my tendency to make female chars (over a dozen females against one male char, and he was BT <.<; )

 

Figured i'd mention it since you were asking about them...

[Jaydena]

Other ajahs do not have a rule regarding bonding of Ashaman as of yet. Tig I would love it if you posted in each ajah forum asking how the seperate ajahs feel about how many they think they should have. We also need to know what the BT is allowing, since a bond happening from their end I think will be different. I am thinking what Tig mentioned is the best choice.

[Tigara]

So other Ajahs will later bond Ashies? OK, I can ask the other Ajahs. From the Gray standpoint, I would say bond 1 Ashie whether or not you have a pre-existing Warder, but if you bond an Ashie and don't have a Warder, you can't bond a Warder until you're other one is gone. >.> It's less complicated that it sounds.

[Jaydena]

Yup other ajahs will be allowed to bond ashies, that's always been the plan, but Reds get first pick when we start this out. *G* No that names sense Tig, at least to me.

[Elgee]

I've made a request to Jade at the Staff Board to approach the Warders on the matter of Reds bonding female warders. Here's what I asked:

 

I know you're very busy, but I would appreciate it if you could approach the Warders and find out their opinion on Reds bonding female Warders.

 

I believe there was a decision made that this was to be allowed. Are they aware of it? Do they have any rules about it? Are they happy/indifferent/unhappy about it? Do they want it to continue or not?

 

In light of our plan for Reds to be allowed to bond BT Members, and the rules we as an Ajah have to decide on for that, I would like to clear up matters with the Warders first.

 

The most popular choice seems to be:

 

Members of the Red Ajah will only be allowed to bond members of the Black Tower or Female Warders, to the maximum of 3 Bondeds in total with no more than 1 (one) female Warder.

[Jaydena]

Yup and I have got it posted. *G*

[Elgee]

No official word back from the Warders yet, but it looks like we'll be going with the bolded option up above. Will let you know as soon as I hear.

 

On the BT thing: ... *dances around impatiently, with the odd giggle thrown in*  ;D

 

Nothing decided yet, but the suggestions are looking good!

 

Just remember: Reds are scary, man-hating, dour and miserable women ... right? ... *cracks up laughing* ...  ;D

 

[Kaylan]

*peek*

 

So, I feel a little bit odd being in here, given that it's been so long since I wrote anything for Anthea. I'm in the process of editing her bio so she can be an active member of the Reds, and I actually think I'd like to play her on a full-time basis, but that's not the point of my replying to this thread. *clears throat*

 

I actually don't think Anthea would be in the least interested in Bonding or being Bonded. She's quite focused on tradition and law (she'd object majorly to the Bonding of female warders, too), and she's going to feel that, Source cleansed or not, the men are still two or more steps down the road to madness, and still very dangerous.

 

As a player, I'd love to be involved. But the character just isn't the type to swing that way. If she ever was to Bond, I think it'd only be to one man. But, definitely at the start at least, she'll be opposed to ANY Bonding, and therefore won't care more or less about the numbers.

 

Clear as mud?

[Elgee]

Opaque, even  ;D

 

Welcome back, Kaylan  :D

 

Just let me know if Anthea wants to stand completely clear, or be one of those who are ordered to bond.

[Jaydena]

Glad to see you found the board Kaylan. The DL of the warders has no objects, though they do feel that it takes away from the scared rite of bonding a Warder from the Warders Yard and that they don't have enough bondings going on as it is, this will take away from it. I have assured them that I am going to write it into the new rules, that you should always consider bonding a Warder member first. Do you ladies feel we should have this a kind of bonding that requires permission or just have it like the Warder bond where the name of your bonded and yourself has to be sent into the DL?

[Elgee]

Reds don't bond "normal" Warders in the Books, and I don't foresee that changing, but since someone made a rule here that they're allowed to bond female Warders, I suppose we have to allow that.

 

I would therefor ask that Reds be excempt from the proposed rule that Warder members be considered first.

 

Suggestion: Reds only have to apply for permission to bond female Warders, but not for bonding BT Characters. Other Ajahs must do it the other way around.

 

Since the Reds are ever so slightly clueless about bonding and warders in general, they won't approach it (at first) in the traditional way (ie getting to know the man/woman first). They'll just pick more or less at random. Other Ajahs will most likely approach Asha'man as they do normal warders, though.

 

Sorry - still half asleep here and not writing this up in any logical fashion. Hopefully the other Reds will understand what I'm saying and put it better.

[Kaylan]

When DID the rule about female warders get made? I've never heard of it prior to now - was it something Andrea brought in?

 

I agree about getting permission to Bond Asha'man. It's something unusual, and there has always been a problem of too many Warder Div members not being Bonded. I know, I used to play the Commander of the Tower Guard way back when. ;) It was always really hard to come up with stuff for the TG to do so that they didn't feel like rejects who couldn't get a Bond - I can only imagine the numbers of unbonded Warder Div members will go up now, both because we've simply got fewer players in the WT div, and because the initial excitement of being able to Bond BT guys will have everyone scrambling for that. Especially if they're going to be allowed multiple Bonds (doesn't that kind of take away from the special factor of the Green Ajah, btw?).

 

Ramble ramble ramble. It's a bit of a complex issue, in my head at least. What do the incarns or whatever we're calling them these days think?

[Muirenn]

The theory behind having the Reds bond Asha'man first was to preserve the relationship between the WT and the Warders.  Since the Reds don't bond regular Warders anyway (until Andrea brought in the whole female Warder thing, which I still disagree with, and to date I believe she's the only one to have done it).  So I'd support stricter guidelines on Ajahs other than the Red bonding Asha'man, and definitely not allow multiple Asha'man warders apart from Red (sorta the reverse of Green). 

 

I also think that the Warders Div brings a lot of hurt on themselves because there are so darn many femal TG running about.  A lot of people don't want to deal with the hassle of bonding a female Warder.  I know if there were more male Warder PCs that I'd be more apt to bond with my Green (I even have plans for her!).

[Kaylan]

So I'd support stricter guidelines on Ajahs other than the Red bonding Asha'man, and definitely not allow multiple Asha'man warders apart from Red (sorta the reverse of Green).

 

 

I'd support that. I also liked the proposal that was raised earlier re: the Gray Ajah I think, where it was said that one Asha'man could be Bonded even if you already have a Warder (or have filled your slots, if you're a Green), but if you didn't have a Warder he'd count as your Warder slot, and that until you were Bond-free you wouldn't be able to Bond again (whether it was an Asha'man or a Warder). If that makes sense at all. I feel like a diagram would help. :D

 

I've played female TGs and male TGs and have enjoyed playing them both. I've also Bonded both male and female Warders and haven't found one any more hassle-ish than the other - wasn't aware it was an issue for most people, although thinking about it now I do think the majority of Warders probably are male. I don't think that's a Warders Div issue, I think that's more of a player issue, but it might help if the Warders Div issued some kind of public service announcement about it? *lol*

 

What is everyone's opinion about the female Warders for Reds thing? Is anyone Promised? Is anyone interested in it? I don't want to come in here before I've even got my Red PC sorted properly and make like my opinions are important, but I do find myself wondering how the members of the Red Ajah feel about it.

 

 

Oh, and I never answered about Anthea being ordered to Bond, did I? As a player, I like the idea, but the little Anthea voice that lives in my head is saying that she'd rather be exiled for disobeying orders than Bond anyone, but especially a man who can channel. So I think I'll abstain. ;) Unless you want to play that sort of thing out, because it could be ridiculously fun. Although sending a character to the Farm in the main plotline could be slightly problematic, heh. 

[Kaylan]

Also, Muir! Hey! *pounce*

[Elgee]

I don't want to step on WY toes here, but my personal opinion is: I'm not interested in female warders, I don't see why so many are allowed, and I don't advocate female warders for Reds. My reasoning: I like to stick as close to the Books as possible. There is 1 confirmed (Birgitte) and one unconfirmed (Tabitha's) female warder(s), out of hundreds, if not thousands, of males. I don't see any female Asha'man or male Aes Sedai here, so what's with that? Anyway, it's their decision.

 

There are 2 reasons why I lean towards not tossing out the rule about Reds bonding females:

1) It's been made, there is already at least 1 (I think)

2) The WY seem to fear exactly what Kaylan has mentioned, ie Sisters rushing to bond Asha'man, and Warders are left with nothing.

I would, however, suggest that Reds who want to bond a female Warder need to apply for permission, and other Ajah's who want to bond Asha'man must also apply for permission.

 

I also liked the proposal that was raised earlier re: the Gray Ajah I think, where it was said that one Asha'man could be Bonded even if you already have a Warder (or have filled your slots, if you're a Green), but if you didn't have a Warder he'd count as your Warder slot, and that until you were Bond-free you wouldn't be able to Bond again (whether it was an Asha'man or a Warder).

 

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of not leaving the WY out in the cold?

 

With regards to Anthea: It's entirely up to you how you want to play it, Kaylan - personally, I'd love to have Zarinen throw a frothy and make someone serve penance till their eyes popped ... lol. Though it would be for talking back, not disobeying ... no Red would disobey the Highest, would she?  ;D