Eladia and The Royal Blood of Andor

[BIGRED]

I know this has probably been mentioned before, but I'm not sure... lol As we all know Eladia is one ingnorant and arrogant woman that doesn't know up from down. In her foretelling she knows that the royal bloodline of Andor must be kept and will play a key roll in winning tarmogeden. Everyone says rand resembles the previous queen... can't think of her name right now... Although I know it's nearly impossible for her to know that he is her son, but it just shoes how inept she is at understanding things and only thinking inside the box.

[42Bonzo88]

    I agree but there are a couple things out of order. Tigrane was a princess, not the queen and Morgase was not related directly and had to win the throne before she became queen. I also agree that Eladia is off her rocker, but the scary thing is... she might be a little more right now that Elayne's kids and Rand now have joined the line that was broken.

 

Hope that makes sense.

[Luckers]

Tigraine and Morgase were cousins, and close cousins, though Dyelin was just as close.

 

As for the the foretelling, I've always held that it refers to more than Rand. The Royal line of Andor... a line is a sequence of points. And in truth all of those points have played integral roles. Rand, Elayne, Gawyn, Galad, Morgase, and even Luc...

 

Elaida was wrong to focus on Elayne, but so too do i think people wrong to focus on Rand. The Royal line of Andor as a whole has played a key role in events around Tarmon Gai'don. Every single one of them.

[trakand_01]

Although I know it's nearly impossible for her to know that he is her son.

 

Didnt one of the noblewomen Rand invited to Caemlyn (might even have been Dyelin) remark in a 'knowing' way to him at the end of their meeting that he looked very much like Tigraine?

 

Would Moiraine and Caraline Damodred also constitute part of the Royal Line of Andor, being related to Taringail, or are we purely looking at the REIGNING royal line - by that I mean a present or past QUEEN and her offspring?

[Majsju]

Moiraine and Caraline are only related through marriage. In order to even be considered a part of the Andoran royal line, you must have a descent from Ishara, which the damodreds do not have.

[CUBAREY]

Tigraine and Morgase were cousins, and close cousins, though Dyelin was just as close

 

Close only in determining who has a better claim to be Queen not in any ordinary sense as Dyelin told Rand.

[Paviel]

Tigraine Mantear and Morgase Trakand were distantly related enough that if they were commoners, they wouldn't be considered related at all. (LoC, end of Connecting Lines)

 

And Rand felt relieved to hear that because it meant his feelings for Elayne weren't incestuous.

[Luckers]

Tigraine and Morgase were cousins, and close cousins, though Dyelin was just as close

 

Close only in determining who has a better claim to be Queen not in any ordinary sense as Dyelin told Rand.

 

Yes... well, i actually only meant close in comparison to the other High Seats, but either way it stands for much the same thing.

 

 

[Kaznen]

I think Elidia was blinded by here red ajah bias when Elayne was born, and could see that she could channel.

[Swigaro]

Elida is self-centered to the point of blindness.  She seems to think that every foretelling is about her, specifically.  I would tend to think that this RJ way of showing us that having foretelling and interpreting foretelling are two, completely unrelated gifts.  While Elida certainly has talent in the former, she is woefully lacking in the latter.  I always saw Elida's interpretation of the foretelling as follows, in the most convenient way for herself. 

 

At the time of her foretelling, when she was still an accepted, Tigrane was the Daughter-Heir.  Clearly, she, and any of her offspring were "The Royal Line of Andor."  From an objective stance, as this line produced the Dragon Reborn, I think it is clear that this is the line to which the foretelling referred.  Later, when Elida had become Aes Sedai, she attached herself to the family that succeeded to the throne.  Her self-centered rationale seeming to be, "Clearly, this foretelling was intended to be a message to me, so that I can influence things personally.  It couldn't possibly refer to Tigrane, because, since she disappeared, mysteriously without a trace, there is nothing I can do to control her.  So, since the only way I can personally control things is if the foretelling refers to Morgase, that has to be the proper interpretation. 

 

This is not to say that Morgase and Elayne are not important figures in the battle to come, it just makes more sense to me that the purpose of the scene was to show that Elida is power hungry and blinded by ambition.  It just makes more sense to me, dramatically. 

 

I think the message is very clear, that Elida has never accurately and objectively interpreted one of her own foretelling, as her personality warps everything she sees to put her in the best light possible. 

 

[42Bonzo88]

    Swigaro hits it perfectly. Eladia does let her ambition cloud her fortellings. If Tigraine were still alive during her fortelling and dissapeared, wouldn't it be sensible to go looking for her. I know people did, when someone dissapears of course you go looking, (especially royalty) but even after 20 years something could show up that might show some signs.

 

    To give Eladia credit (which I myself would rather not given I can't stand her) she has been asking anyone and everyone about Rand after she sees him. With so many people seeing that he looks like Tigraine, she had to see it too. So, maybe she was looking that way.

 

 

[Snowy Dawn]

``With so many people seeing that he looks like Tigraine, she had to see it too. So, maybe she was looking that way.''

 

I think that this has more to do with her foretelling when Rand appears in the Royal Court after he falls into the garden where Elayne and Galad had gone to get a glimpse of Logain. See Ch. 40, ``The Web Tightens'', p. 614 (paperback edition) in <i>The Eye of the World</i>, where Elaida foretells ``Pain and division come to the whole world, and this man stands at the heart of it''. Note that she speaks this foretelling so softly that even Rand, who is only a foot or so away, can barely hear it.

 

It is interesting that Gawyn says, and apparently others thought, that he clearly looks Aiel, but no one remarks on his resemblance to Tigraine, tho' this was noticed by the Cook (Coline by name) of The Queen's Blessing, who remarks on it to Mat when he and Thom show up there in <i>The Dragon Reborn</i> (Ch. 45, ``Caemlyn'', p. 526).

 

But did Elaida see the resemblance to Tigraine? She is from Murandy, and may never have been to Caemlyn until after Morgase became Queen. She probably had never seen Tigraine, tho' perhaps may have seen pictures of her.

[Paviel]

I think that at some point Elayne did comment on Rand's resemblance to the portraits or tapestries depicting Tigraine, although it may have been in TGH while talking to Egwene rather than TEOTW while talking to Rand.

 

Another oddity, though: Elayne caught a glimpse of Slayer in Luc-form, and thought that he looked like Rand's uncle. Shouldn't she have recognized him as Luc? Even if the First Princes of the Sword don't get the same number of portraits that the Daughter-Heirs and the Queens get, Luc did look an awful lot like Tigraine. (Janduin couldn't have been the only one who thought so...)

[Snowy Dawn]

``I think that at some point Elayne did comment on Rand's resemblance to the portraits or tapestries depicting Tigraine, although it may have been in TGH while talking to Egwene rather than TEOTW while talking to Rand.''

 

I think that it is in TGH, but as I don't have a copy of that to hand, I can't check it. As I recall tho', Elayne says that he looks like pictures she had seen of Tigraine, but adds that it seems unlikely that Rand and Tigraine could be related. Given Tigraine's disappearance this may seem obvious to Elayne and most others---the sequence of events that led to Rand's birth is, it seems, known only to him, because only he has heard both about Gitara's foretelling about Tigraine and her resultant disapperance and also about what the Aiel, specifically Amys, know about her becoming a Maiden of the Spear and Janduin's lover, and finally about Tam al Thor's discovery of the dying Shael and the baby (i.e. Rand) on the slopes of Dragonmount.