A theory of Asmodean

[mb]

No u are all wrong Lanfear is still trapped and Asmo is Cyndane, that would give him/her reason to hate Rand. 

 

feel free to flame I dont believe it either

 

What then do you believe (about this topic)?

 

Asmodean being Cyndane is absurd.

Asmodean never offered Rand to rule the world with him, and Asmodean has not really loved Rand nor has Rand spurned his love.

Also, Cyndane would have channeled saidin like Arangar if she was Asmodean.

 

[pxnsolid]

MB im going to have to guess that english isnt your first language , some of your posts point to that, im going to have to say you couldnt taste the sarcasm of lordofsoup's comment :P

[Fjong]

Not dane either  ;D

[mb]

MB im going to have to guess that english isnt your first language , some of your posts point to that, im going to have to say you couldnt taste the sarcasm of lordofsoup's comment :P

 

I guess your comment about my language is sarcasm.

If not, English is actually the only language I grew up with and my knowledge of other languages are just words & phrases.

 

My comments to lordofsoup do not tell if I detected the sarcasm or not.

 

[hurryupnwait]

Graendel (spell) killed Asmodean.  I am confident after more than  a half dozen rereads of each book that this is so.  I state this from POVs of various forsaken.  That and from circumstances. 

 

Semirhage wonders to herself while torturing the Aes Sedai what happened to Asmo, Demandred is informed by the Dark One that Asmo is dead.  Lanfear and Moghedien were incapacitated Lanfear by the snakes and foxes, Moggy by Nyneave and the a'dam.  Masaana (spell) is holed up in the tower and cannot get out much this does not rule her completely out, but makes it unlikely.  Sammael wonders to himself what happened to Asmo.  Moridin and the two Gars are in new bodies and would not have been recognized to produce the startled "YOU??"

 

This leaves Graendel who states emphatically that Asmo is dead to Sammael on multiple occasions.  When questioned on how she knows this she does not respond.  Also if you remember Lanfear set up an arrangement between Rahvin, Sammael, Graendel and herself.  Of those 4 we know only Graendel is unaccounted for  as Rahvin is dead Lanfear is neutralized by Moiraine, and as previously stated Sammael is ignorant of the fate of Asmo.  Those 4 initially met in the Palace there in Caemlyn to set up their plans.  This implies at least that Graendel had a chance to aquire some familiarity with the Royal Palace there. 

 

Also Graendel later displays a willingness to visit the former centers of power of her fallen forsaken brethren.  She does this when she visits Illian to pick through Sammaels things to try to find things of use.  She mentions hiding from Rand and his Asha'man as she sifts for things of use after Sammael meets his end in Shadar Logoth.  Thus its possible Asmodean just wandered into her as she tried to hide under similar circumstances. It is also possible she decided to deprive Rand of his teacher and took advantage of the chaos of the recent coup.

 

However as I said first and foremost of the forsaken that Asmo would recognize and fear she has the most opportunity, the most familiarity with the scene of the crime, and is the only one that states with certainty that Asmo is dead without (at least to our knowledge) outside confirmation.  All of this leads me to think that RJ's statement that the killer of Asmo is and should be obvious, is in fact after multiple rereads possible to in fact be at least somewhat obvious. 

 

It was Graendel in the wine cellar with Saidar

[Jethro]

hurryupnwait, you are the first person who has written an accusation of Graendal in such detail. Quite refreshing after all the "Graendal did it." comments with no evidence. Thanks.

 

P.S. Just to be a pain, is there any chance of a page reference of when Graendal is asked how she knew, but didnt answer? I cant remember it.

[the_Genghis_Khan]

That was one of the better explanations that I've read.  Thanks!

[Mr Ares]

hurryupnwait, you are the first person who has written an accusation of Graendal in such detail.

If you really think that is the first one in such detail given the hundreds of pages of discussion on this topic, you are deluding yourself. Many have been written. You simply haven't bothered to read them.

Quite refreshing after all the "Graendal did it." comments with no evidence. Thanks.

You have been given ample evidence. You ignore it. Indeed, just about everything hurryupnwait said has been said to you previously. In fact, we have given you more evidence elsewhere. Your lies do you no credit.

[Jethro]

Your arsehole attitude doesnt do you any either. Get over yourself.

[hurryupnwait]

Let me do some flipping of pages it is either in Lord of Chaos or Crown of Swords, possibly both as the converstaion is between Sammael and Graendel.

 

 

ok I found one of these conversations between Graendel and Sammael Lord of Chaos page 485-486.  In this to sum up Graendel states that  Lanfear and Asmodean are dead Sammael demands proof "show me a corpse". 

[MikeRiley]

Is a man's detection of a woman channeling always described as a tingle? Or has it been described as a shiver as well? I ask because right before Asmodean walks to his death he idly thinks of events that morning "-and with a shiver-" I believe the words went. I've been wondering if this might be mistaken by him as coming from his thoughts rather than something he actually felt.

 

But wouldn't Graendel have made a pet of him? She goes for those with power and hinted at taking one of the chosen at one or two points. That's the only reason I don't also say it's Graendel. It just seems out of character.

 

Robert Jordan didn't just say Asmodean was roadkill, didn't he say also "he's done, finished, not coming back"?

[Sabio]

Mainly she had to act quickly, she didn't know if he was holding the power and since compulsion won't work when a man is holdig the power she would of been risking it not working and losing her advantage.  Most likely killing him wasn't her main reason for being there but when the situation presented itself she took it.

 

Also have to remember Lanfear didn't tell them she shielded him so they also wouldn't of known he was weakened. 

 

Capturing Asmo wouldn't be Graendel's tatic either, since she relies on others underestimating her.  By not telling anyone she killed him she avoids people wondering why she was there and viewing her as a threat.  After all if she can succeed in killing Asmo when the others couldn't, suddenly she doesn't seem so harmless. 

[Mr Ares]

But wouldn't Graendel have made a pet of him? She goes for those with power and hinted at taking one of the chosen at one or two points. That's the only reason I don't also say it's Graendel. It just seems out of character.

Her pets are both good looking and powerful. Even if Asmo is good looking enough he is not powerful. Plus what Sabio said, about it being impossible to compel a man holding the Source, and she didn't know he was weakened. Best take the surest option and go for the kill.