Jump to content

DRAGONMOUNT

A WHEEL OF TIME COMMUNITY

hurryupnwait

Member
  • Content Count

    78
  • Joined

  • Last visited

About hurryupnwait

  • Birthday 02/16/1982
  1. Master Ablar, I concede the point to you on the Tower's progress. That was an impressive bit of research right there.
  2. I disagree that the tower is just foundations at this point. In one of my earlier posts I discuss Elaida pov chapters in which she thinks on going over the mini model tower to discuss progress on her tower. She also thinks on how upset she is that the sisters are not working on her tower as much as she wants them to. Though she wants more cooperation a partly power constructed project would likely have made decent progress. This Tower from reasonable deduction is clearly beyond the foundation stage.
  3. I still think we will see a black tower in Tar Valon. That said if memory serves Master Ablar and I agreed to disagree so I will leave it at that. I believe that Perrin will need to be involved in the black tower showdown as well. Upon learning from Grady that travel to the black tower will not work Perrin puts visiting the black tower in the wolf dream on his to do list. I also think this will be the second time in Min's vision that Perrin will need to be there for Rand to avert disaster. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
  4. I think you are all correct in some regard. Elida's unfinished project will become the home of the Ashaman, Logain will lead the Ashaman channelers in helping the Aes Sedai save the White Tower from the Seanchan, and because of all this he will become the head of the new reformed Male Aes Sedai. First though he will have to kick Taim's behind in the Black Tower helping to preserve Elain's Kingdom. Well, unfortunately, I dissagree with most of the first part of what you said. I don't believe the Ashaman will be going to Tar Valon. Also I doubt Taim will let all his hard work go to waste. I think he'll get himself and most of his men out of the BT when Rand and Logain return.
  5. This to me makes for an interesting new thread or poll question. What Wheel of Time Character did you marry? I think for me the closest would be Min. My wife is a loving supportive woman. She is patient and understanding with me, but also willing to tell me when I am acting like a jackass. I would say on the whole neither one of us is the dominate partner. Which is how we both want it. I do not have the inclination to run roughshod over her ordering her about every which way nor does she with me. I think that I have more than a little Mat in me, if she were to decide that she were suddenly in charge and begin to try to authoritative over me I would balk big time.
  6. Just be a boy in his early teens who wants to read about the boys he can identify with and not about the authoritative woman who always knows better would be my advice. That's how it was for me. I remember the first time I read Eye of the World I skipped straight through all the female POV because I didn't want to read them Pretty much this for me. I was a boy in my late teens when I started reading the Wheel of Time, and reading the storyline of women and teenage girl who seemed to act like they just got home from the beach and never bothered to get the sand out their undies was not something I enjoyed as much as reading about 3 boys my age who were forced to learn and grow due to unfortunate and sudden burdens thrust upon them. In short I had not learned to even try to see things from Nynaeve, Elayne, Egwene, or even Aviendha's perspective.
  7. I started reading the Wheel of Time in the summer of 2000, right after graduating from high school. It was love at first read. I read obsessively trying to chew through the series as fast as I could (at the time I had not yet realized that the series was unfinished), I just had to know how everything turned out in the end. I followed the character arcs and mostly responded typically e.g. I loved Mat from book 3 on and my love for his pov chapters just kept growing, I became increasingly frustrated with Rand's choices, and increasingly disgusted with Perrin's Faile oh my Faile storyline. That said any storyline from one of the super girl's perspective was not something I enjoyed. I would finish an action packed Mat or Rand chapter and discover the next chapter was about Nyneave and Elayne grousing over wagon space, or Egwene complaining that Rand had it easier than her, and groan at the prospect of several chapters of it. I especially loathed Nynaeve her treatment and interactions with any and all around her irked me to no end. Especially her treatment of Thom, Juilin and Mat. Her self righteous pov's were a chore for me to read through. I used to employ an idle fantasy of sneaking into RJ's study for the express purpose of writing a mysterious wanderer into the story who would shove a dirty sock down Nynaeve's throat, tie her up and drag her off to Shara to be sold, never to be seen or heard from again. However, all that said somewhere in the intervening years I came to really like the character that Nynaeve has grown into. It may be that as of this writing I am 29 years old, married, and the father of 2 children. I am no longer the callow 18 year old boy who only idenifies with 3 similiarly callow boys who were my initial favorites. I have come to recognize and appreciate the value of a strong, loyal, and good woman as I have found one to spend my life with. All that said I also think a great deal of the admiration I now have for Nynaeve comes from her own growth. She has retained the passion, fire, and determination she has always exhibited, but tempered it with a measured approach. In short for me at least she grew from the character I despised most to my 3rd favorite character, behind Mat and Rand. I am curious to see if anyone else has had a similiar transition in their feelings towards Nynaeve or any other character.
  8. I was lazy and skipped to the end of this thread after reading the first page or so. That said forgive me if someone has already covered this aspect of Min hate/dislike. It is my contention that Min is directly responsible for Rand losing his hand. During the confrontation with Semirhage, Rand could have thrown himself out of the way of the fireball. He did not because he knew Min was behind. If Min was just kinda there when they stumbled on a by chance ambush I would take no issue with this. Rand took an injury to protect the woman he loves. Admirable, if someone threw something at me that I knew could kill or seriously injure me, and my wife or daughter were behind me I would stand my ground too. In my opinion that is just part of being a man you protect those that you care about. All that said Min was present for the Semirhage ambush because she manipulated Rand into agreeing to allow her to go. This was a meeting on the surface anyway with the leaders of the Seanchan. The possibility of it going wrong was sky high. Min is not a channeler or a warrior she is Rand's lover. Nothing wrong with that, but insisting on going to a potentially dangerous meeting was just plain lunacy. Her concern for Rand should have allowed her to see reason. She knows very well that Rand is terrified someone will try to hurt her, and is supposedly routinely annoyed at his attempts to protect her from harm. It had to be obvious to her if she went along to this meeting Rand would be more focused on her safety then his own. She had to know he would sacrifice himself to save her, therefore she should have known to stay away from the meeting with the Seanchan. I do not hate Min but this is something that irks me about her. The fact that it has not occurred to her to even feel a smidge guilty about causing the circumstances that led to Rand choosing to stand in the path of a fireball also bothers me. If anything she was annoyed at Rand for not crying over the loss of his hand. She should be grateful he was not angry with her for forcing the choice on him.
  9. Never underestimate the patterns ability to move things in the direction it needs them to be moved in. Rand once told Mat that fighting the Pattern was impossible. Whenever he did so he was forced in the direction he was meant to go in often unpleasantly so. He then told Mat only when he ran in the direction he was supposed to go did he have any measure of freedom in doing things at least a little his way. I agree many of the sisters have been bonded against their will, and to balance that Rand has ordered an equal number of Asha'man bonded to Aes Sedai. This does not take into account the few that have WILLINGLY bonded together. Narishma and Flinn come to mind immediately. This is something that is spreading rapidly, and I predict will begin to spread exponentially. While I do agree Elaida started construction on that second Tower out of arrogance, that is why I said it would be ironic if a militant Red's ego palace became home to the Asha'man. It is unclear how far into the construction that tower is, but we do get some hints from Elaida's various POVs. She mentions meeting with the foreman in charge of the project and looking over the miniature model tower with him to discuss the project. She also is annoyed at the sister not working as diligently as she wants in helping with the construction of her palace. We can glean at least 3 things from this. First she hired a construction crew and foreman to begin actual construction it was not just an idea it was underway. Second we know enough progress was made on it for the foreman to walk Elaida through the mini tower to discuss their progress. I could be wrong but that probably means they are past the digging of the foundations stage. Third we know that at least some of the work was done by sisters wielding the One Power. This also would hint that even though the sisters were not as enthusiastic about it as Elaida wanted, they no doubt made much faster progress than could have been made by the sweat of a crew of simple men's backs. I also think a semi merger with the Aes Sedai would increase the influence and prestige of the Asha'man not diminish it. I am no fan of Egwene or Aes Sedai arrogance but to the people of Randland the White Tower has stood as a monolith in their society for 3000 years. They have the respect of every Monarch in the land. This is evident by Egwene's ability to gather the armies of the world in opposition to the breaking of the seals. We the almost omniscient readers can see the cracks and flaws the women of Tar Valon have in abundance, but the folks in the story do not. I will acknowledge that it is possible that my Twin Towers theory could be 100% wrong. As I have said before both the irony of Elaida's Tower housing the wielders of Saidin, and the Symbolism of Men and Women working and living side by side as equals in an Ivory tower balanced by an Ebony Tower appeal to me.
  10. That is a somewhat one sided argument. A Twin Towers arrangement would give the Asha'man legitimacy in the eyes of the world. Over time the close living arrangements will help to soothe and erase the old tensions and prejudices. Besides such close proximity would give the two sides a greater chance to keep tabs on one another. Yes the Aes Sedai will want to take a hand in Asha'man affairs, but it also will give Logain a chance for the same. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. In this case literally. We know with the turning of the Wheel men and women wielding the Power will eventually merge into one institution. This would just be the start of the process. I also believe the closing of the rift would go more quickly and smoothly than many think. Already in the series RJ has made a point of emphasis on how surprisingly well Asha'man and Aes Sedai when forced together have gotten along. On top of that the Queen Elayne has made it clear that she considers the Asha'man little more than squatters on her land. A home rightfully theirs in Tar Valon would in my opinion be welcomed by the Asha'man. Also we know Logain and the Asha'man will play a large role in getting the world through TG. To pull an example from real world history let's look at post world war two. The setting up od the United Nations, the redrawing of much of the map. The Soviet Union was almost universally loathed and distrusted by its wartime allies. They were however, granted a seat at the table in the division of power in the new world that emerged from the war. They were granted veto power on the UN council, control of East Germany/East Berlin, and allowed to dominate and retain control over much of the territory in Easterm Europe that they seized from the Nazis. While Logain is no Stalin, he will no doubt be viewed in a similar light. If he like Stalin helps save the world from a common enemy that virtually destroys the world as it was known, it would stand to reason that he like Stalin will be granted a major slice of the pie in determining how the world will be rebuilt, and how power will be divided up.
  11. I've thought that ever since she said it should be equal or greater in size to the white tower itself actually. "Well, that's where the Ashaman will be one day" And the Ancient symbol of the Aes'Sedai will be complete again. Black and White, rather than just the white teardrop. I did the same thing when I first read about Elaida's palace. Glad I am not the only one. As I said before I just love the symbolism of the two towers so near one another equal in size and splendor.
  12. I also like the thought of Logain standing as an equal to the Amyrlin. That is why I also like the idea of a Twin towers in Tar Valon setup. With Traveling now so widespread the Andor to Tar Valon distance does not mean much, but if the towers stood side by side it has a certain symbolism to it. Not to mention the proximity will allow for daily common interaction. Eating meals together, novices attending classes together, and simply working and living side by side. The theme throughout the series is that the greatest feats were accomplished when men and women worked together with saidar and saidin. What better way to begin to bridge a 3000 year gap?
  13. Agreed, although I think that Logain is going to earn his acknowledgment as equal to the amrylin. Also I think that he is basically going to lead the BT to great heights after the Last Battle, and seeing as he could live a long time (he's pretty strong after all) by then end of his life he will have indeed attained a glory such as few men could dream of. He'll probably be a major player for the light forces at the Last Battle too. That should be enough for Min's viewing. On a similar line of thinking, to paraphrase Elaida's Foretelling the Black Tower is going to be rent in blood and fire. It is highly possible the confrontation between the respective Logain and Taim factions will destroy much of the Black Tower and its grounds. This combined with Elayne's less than accomodating feelings towards the Asha'man may lead to the male channelers needing a new home. In the Post TG world that again paraphrasing a Foretelling (this one by Nicola) will have the Servants (Aes Sedai) balanced by the guardians (Asha'man), what better place for them then in the twin tower already started by Elaida. Egwene has in some of her POV's wondered to herself what to do with the monstrosity. What better irony than for the Tower begun out of a Red's arrogance to be the home for the legitimate recognized Asha'man?
  14. I was just casually reading this thread not really intending to post on it when I came across Lily's 10 reason to not like Mat post. I cannot be silent on the Mat is a male Nyneave point. She is the embodiment of all that I hate in the gender stereotypes and that is on either side of the gender line. Overbearing, bossy, self righteous, judgmental,etc. That list could go on and on. There are many reasons to like Mat, and in my opinion few not to. There has been much said of his trying to run from his responsibility. I started reading this series 8 years ago when I was 19 and roughly the same age as Rand, Perrin and Mat. I cannot imagine being thrust into the nightmare that they were literally overnight. I can tell you this I would like to believe that I would be brave and willing to step up to the plate. However when you consider it is an Aes Sedai telling him this as he is fleeing from the only home he has ever known, look at it from his then point of view. He has been told all his life that Aes Sedai broke the world and are not to be trusted. Yes it can be argued that only male Aes Sedai did this, however if you go back and read the people of the two Rivers do not at this time know enough to make a distinction. All they and by association Mat know is the world was once a much better place and thanks to Aes Sedai it is not. Can you really fault him for not immediately embracing what he is being told by this Aes Sedai stanger? Also while it is true that all 3 boy were given special gifts to help them in their saving of the world: Rand with Saidin, Perrin the wolfdreams/talking to wolves/sharper senses, and Mat with his memories of battle and his trinket which gives him some protect against the one power. It can be argued that mat came by his gifts last. I can be argued this is a contributing factor to his embracing of his role in the fight against the shadow.
  15. Let me do some flipping of pages it is either in Lord of Chaos or Crown of Swords, possibly both as the converstaion is between Sammael and Graendel. ok I found one of these conversations between Graendel and Sammael Lord of Chaos page 485-486. In this to sum up Graendel states that Lanfear and Asmodean are dead Sammael demands proof "show me a corpse".
×
×
  • Create New...