billoumm7 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I'll go with Egwene, she needs an escape from the white tower so the DO is a reliable choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ares Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Why does Egwene need an escape from the White Tower? She is currently right where she needs to be to best undermine Elaida. It is also where she wants to be, for that same reason. And why would she turn to the Shadow? I don't think any of them are likely to switch sides, not without reason. Which none of them have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Death Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I voted Mogehiean is the MOST likely out of that list. But i still don't think its very likely. I only think her cos she is weak and mistreated by her side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckers Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I don't think any of those will switch sides either. The most likely possibility to my mind is Graendal, were she cornered. Of those you've duggested, only Moghedian had the personality to allow it, and the cour'souvra stops that in its tracks. Perhaps... with the bodyswap. Short of that, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily_Sedai Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I don't suppose we're allowed to vote for Asmodean, huh? *laughs* -Em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benr Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 You didn't include Faile, but then she would be going over to the Light... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billoumm7 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 fail is NOT a darkfriend! she's just confused... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjclinton Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 hmmm...it might be hard for Sammael to change sides considering he's dead ;) that being said, I can't think of a single person on this list (with the possible exception of Moghedian) that would possibly have any vested interest in switching sides. I think at this point in the book, most of those lines have been drawn.....you've got a list of pretty clean, cut and dry good guys and bad guys here that have nothing to gain and everything to lose by switching. Bring more names to the table and i'll consider casting a vote! Names that could prove interesting: Verin Cadsuane Davram Bashere Elaida Those are characters that have either an air of mystique or question about them, or would potentially have a vested interest in switching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmo Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 The only person in the series who is likely, in my view, and would be AWESOME if it happened, is [spoilerS FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T READ LORD OF CHAOS]Lanfear (Cyndane). I imagine her going all "YOU WON'T KILL LEWS THERIN!!" and Balefiring Moridin in an awesome instance.[/spoilerS] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatrixM Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 We can still see your text...And i disagree as she hates him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjclinton Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Plus, if I remember correctly, doesn't he hold her Mindtrap? that would be quite a suicidal balefire she'd be weaving ;D All that being said, 3000 years of love as MatrixM has stated above has manifested into White Hot hatred. I suspect that on top of finally feeling like the lover scorned, that she probably now blames him for her current condition: Not quite as beautiful, not quite as powerful, and not quite as un-mindtrapped...... Women!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckers Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 It's highly unlikely she would be able to complete the weave besides--channeling near your own cour'souvra can be fatal, much less channeling AT your own cour'souvra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 The line between love and hate is so thin it hardly matters sometimes. She shifted from love to hate in a few sentences in tFoH, and she can - and hopefully will - do the reverse in aMoL. Yes, it will be suicidal to channel if her mindtrap is close. Which makes it all the more epic, of course. Sacrificing herself to save Rand in that manner will be a resolution to their relationship that goes beyond massive win. And nothing indicates that she won't be able to channel what she wants, just that if she does actually channel, it will kill her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckers Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Love turns to hate easily, especially the possesive kind of love that Lanfear felt--the reverse is not true, again especially for the kind of love Lanfear felt. And yes, something does indicate that she wouldn't be able to channel what she wants--Moghedian states it--she doubts she would be able to survive even touching the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Because she was at arm's length of him. You don't have to be on top of someone to weave Balefire. In fact, it's more likely that she'd die because she would destroy her mindtrap rather than from the effect of channeling close to it - if she were to do it. And also, I don't think Lanfear has quite "gotten over" Lews Therin yet. The mere fact that she seeks revenge is proof that she cares. She hates him, but she hates him because she loved him and he rejected her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckers Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 You asked for indications that she might not be able to form the weave. If Moghedian feared she would die simply touching the source when in the same room as her Mia'cova, then you have your indications--how far away must she be to be able to touch the source without dying? How far before the pain of touching the source did not then immediately rob her of the source--and we know that pain does rob you of the source, pain far short of dying--so is it exact, distance directly equating pain--within the room kills her, so is it a hundred meters before she can touch the source? A thousand? How much beyond that must she be to concentrate through the pain to weave a web? You stated no indications, but its all there in that simple reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Pain doesn't matter. As long as you are in the Void, you can ignore pain unless it is abrupt, in which case the shock makes you lose the Void. Rand said he could watch himself dying in the Void. If Lanfear was prepared for the pain, and kept a relative distance so she wouldn't just die on the spot, she'd feel it but be able to ignore it long enough to weave whatever she wanted to weave, and die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckievi Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Love turns to hate easily, especially the possesive kind of love that Lanfear felt--the reverse is not true, again especially for the kind of love Lanfear felt. I wouldn't call that love personally. Back to the topic at hand though, I would think Perrin. If Faile is a DF, Perrin would end up being one, simply because he seems to have lost all concept of self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 It's very unlikely that Faile is a Darkfriend - we've had much insight into her thoughts, many POVs from her, and nothing at all indicates connection with the Shadow, plus we've known her location nearly at every moment since she first appeared and she hardly appears to have had some alone time with any confirmed or suspected Darkfriends. And I don't think Perrin could become a Darkfriend unless he severs his connection with the wolves, in which case, he becomes little more than Balefire practice. Seriously though, I don't see either turning into a DF. It'd be too lastmomentish to make sense anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAND AL THOR Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Nobody there is going to switch sides. Indeed I dont think anyone at all who hasnt done so already is going to do so. THe Forsaken, especially, would not come to the Light because the Light forces would never forgive them. Faile is very clearly not a DF though I wish she was so that we can be rid of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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