Would you accept Rand returning to life?

[Alakir]

I would love to see Rand succeed and live to feel the satisfaction, the assurance that what he did saved everyone in the whole world including himself.

 

I think that is where we differ. ofcourse I would be happy to see Rand survive. I have a strong affection to the character. But in the same time I believe that sorrow and sadness are as strong emotion as is happiness. To see him die and fullfill the prophecies to the fullest and die, even though you've wanted to deny it all along will make the ending stronger I think. To feel the satisfaction of him succeeding is something that I'm conviced that we will get. But at the same time, with all the hardships he has gone through it is as the shienaran saying. "Duty is heavier than a mountain, but death lighter than a feather." I do believe that when dying he will finally get peace. As you say Rand is a rather realistic character, how could he ever live on without being haunted? This is very speculative ofcourse.

 

[Paviel]

Rand is going to die of natural causes if nothing else kills him, so in the end it's all irrelevant anyway.

 

Anyway, Nicola's foretelling makes it pretty clear that Rand is going to (at least seem to) come back from the dead, since "he who is dead yet lives", and this probably isn't going to be like the Heroes of the Horn, for example, who are most certainly dead.

 

After all, the Horn of Valere calls them back from the dead, not from the living.

[Guest Dreadlord]

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Rand is going to die of natural causes if nothing else kills him, so in the end it's all irrelevant anyway.

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What a pointless comment. We arent on about who will die of old age, we are on about whether Rand will be alive at the end of book 12.

[MatrixM]

Rand is going to die of natural causes if nothing else kills him, so in the end it's all irrelevant anyway.

 

Anyway, Nicola's foretelling makes it pretty clear that Rand is going to (at least seem to) come back from the dead, since "he who is dead yet lives", and this probably isn't going to be like the Heroes of the Horn, for example, who are most certainly dead.

 

After all, the Horn of Valere calls them back from the dead, not from the living.

What was the whole prophecy? It could mean Lews Therin lives through Rand...

[aussie_ashaman123]

A couple of theories, firstly, Nicola's foretelling "He who is dead yet lives" may not be Rand at all, but Ishy come back as Moridin.

 

Secondly, It may be possible for someone to reverse death with Choedan Kal (With that you could challenge the Creator).

 

There may be some deaths that can be Healed quite easily, "unnatural" death, pretty much anything that simply ceases body functions with the Power or something, theoretically should be possible to Heal (unless they made the heart explode or something) within a certain amount of time.

 

If Rand dies like in a way that doesnt have any major organs bludgeoned, sliced or shredded, in a 'magical' way, why shouldnt that be reversible given enough power?

 

In the end though, I personally hope he survives, resurrected or not. The Champion dying at the moment of victory isnt the way I enjoy my stories to end. I kind of feel sheated without a "happily ever after"

[Mr Ares]

"The lion sword, the dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he who is dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done with battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians balance the servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."

 

-Lord of Chaos, Dreams and Nightmares

 

Seems a bit odd to me to put mention of Rand's three ladies right next to a foretelling about Ishamael coming back to life.

[benr]

"The lion sword, the dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he who is dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done with battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians balance the servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."

 

-Lord of Chaos, Dreams and Nightmares

 

Seems a bit odd to me to put mention of Rand's three ladies right next to a foretelling about Ishamael coming back to life.

 

My apologies - I'm sure this has been explained before.  All of this prophecy is clear to me except "The future teeters on the edge of a blade."  Do we know for sure what exactly this refers to?

[Paviel]

I think it might refer to what the Aelfinn told Rand in response to "How can I win and survive Tarmon Gai'don?"

 

"The north and east must be as one. The west and the south must be as one. The two must be as one. If you would live, you must die."

[Safia al-Maaz]

I agree with Alakir in that Rand dying in some way when he finally learns to love again would be extremely dramatic and would immortalize the series, and it would be an excellent ending I think, but I doubt I would be able to accept it.  I mean, you should have seen my reaction when I first finished reading Lord of the Rings.  I was 10, so my first perception was "hey, they just SAILED OFF???  and left all their friends and loved ones behind??  WHO DOES THAT???"  It wasn't until later when I read the appendices and so forth that I understood what actually happened, but the point still stand: I would not be able to accept Rand being dead.  I even held out for Sirius coming back to life in the Harry Potter series, even though I knew he wouldn't. 

 

But seriously, I swear RJ wrote this series just watch us all speculate and ring ourselves dry trying to figure out what he was planning...

 

 

[Lord Nik]

personally i hope rand survives, and maybe he will be all like... SMASHED DEAD... wakes up to find himslef ini the world of dreams *gasp* then mat blows the horn and rand comes back as a hero... that would be cool.

[RAND AL THOR]

Nicola's foretelling "He who is dead yet lives" may not be Rand at all, but Ishy come back as Moridin.

 

 

I very strongly object to this. It very very strongly points to Rand. There are so many hints pointing to Rand dying and it says:

 

The lion sword, the dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he who is dead yet lives.

 

Mentioning Rand's babes and then mentioning Rand's enemy makes very little sense. I'm 100% convinced that it refers to Rand.

 

And about the 'future balances on the knife edge; part:

I think it means that even after Rand 'dies' the action in the books is not yet over. I expected Rand to 'die' at the end of TG but it does not seems so. Furthermore, mentioning the guardians=servants just before that suggests that a great battle between the White and Black Towers is due AFTER rand 'dies.'

[Guest Dreadlord]

Twice dawns the day his blood is shed. Once for mourning, once for birth.

 

Maybe Rand will be reborn straight away, although I would rather he died and returned as Rand, not his next life.

[Lord Nik]

personally i hope rand survives, and maybe he will be all like... SMASHED DEAD... wakes up to find himslef ini the world of dreams *gasp* then mat blows the horn and rand comes back as a hero... that would be cool.

anybody think this is possible? I just thought this would be really awesome

[Paviel]

Twice dawns the day his blood is shed. Once for mourning, once for birth.

 

Maybe Rand will be reborn straight away, although I would rather he died and returned as Rand, not his next life.

 

I just had a rather unsettling image of Rand coming back as his own son...

[Guest Dreadlord]

Maybe Elaynes twins will be both Rand and Ilyena reborn...now that would be strange haha

[Guest Dreadlord]

Or even better, Rand and Moridin reborn! "Now now children, you know how dangerous balefire is. Now make a gateway before your late for school."

[Paviel]

Or even better, Rand and Moridin reborn! "Now now children, you know how dangerous balefire is. Now make a gateway before your late for school."

 

Isn't one male Forsaken come back as a woman enough?

 

Plus, if the Pattern did that sort of thing, women channeling saidin wouldn't be so uncommon.

[Safia al-Maaz]

No, not Elayne's children, Aviendha's!!!  She is the one who is supposed to have something strange about her babies!

 

Mwahaha this is too much fun ^^

[Lord Nik]

NO NO NO!

the twins will be rand AND LTT :o

woah this is fun :D

[RAND AL THOR]

Let the Lord of Chaos Rule.

[CUBAREY]

the twins will be rand AND LTT

 

Having two incarnations of the same person active in the same person at the same time is odd enough. But having two personalities of the same person in two bodies simultaniously?  Talk about split personalities! better yet they're born siamese twins. :)

[Safia al-Maaz]

lmao

 

and Rand thinks he has problems NOW!

[Lord Nik]

Let the Lord of Chaos Rule.

 

What a mess lol

[RAND AL THOR]

Let the Lord of Chaos Rule.

 

What a mess lol

 

HAHA LOL!!! ;D

[billoumm7]

rand's an asshole i hope he dies and stays dead...he is a weapon, nothing more...