Civil War Mafia: The Abolitionists Are Coming! Game Over!

[the dude]

heh, i've been hoping to see some magic from sirayn, but it sounds like she's got bigger fish to fry.

[Mayleigh Aes Sedai]

not relly dude but ill keep it in mind  ;D

 

at the moment im torn between kivram and dude also Dae is seeming suspitious to me haveing played as a maffia with him in previous games something about his style is just pinging my radiar.

 

Thats it for now!

[the dude]

aaah well.  all will become clear in time, may.  ;)

[Mayleigh Aes Sedai]

I know dude!! anyawho we do need to lynch someone we needthe info and after some thought the only option i can see is [glow=red,2,300]Kivram[/glow]

[Blig Blog]

I know dude!! anyawho we do need to lynch someone we needthe info and after some thought the only option i can see is [glow=red,2,300]Kivram[/glow]

 

I agree. I see that we do, in fact, need a lynch tonight. The only logical way to go is to vote for [glow=red,2,300]Kivam.[/glow]

 

I still think that the Dude and Kivam are working together as mafia but i would much rather get rid of Kivam than a player that could very well be the true Finder.

 

Deadline is a little while away so i still have time to change my vote if need be.

[Mayleigh Aes Sedai]

i would much rather get rid of Kivam than a player that could very well be the true Finder.

 

Deadline is a little while away so i still have time to change my vote if need be.

 

 

have to agree with blig here and I also reservr the right to change my vote!

 

[DPR]

and i dont think jelly rechecking you, dpr will shed anylight on this whole thing, it should be herself or the dude (she didnt do that yet right?) some another suspisious body. or sirayn.

 

My thought here was that we will be able to tell what kind of finder Jelly is, and can do that by checking it against Dude's find.  I won't say never after the BT game, but I think it's unlikely that they are both evil finders since we have no counter claim.

 

I also thought that Dude would be down with this plan, given the possible outcome that both finders are legit, but both a little wonky.

 

It occured to me that with all of the hype about "new roles" and "variations on roles" from the mods, that we may be looking at a dual finder situation where one is correct on one night, and the other is off. It would be just like Alycral to do something devious like that (which I love!). Both would have to reveal, both would have to live through a likely lynch, and both would have to test to find which night they were accurate on.

 

It would fit with Dude getting two results on day 1 (one may be off....hmmmmmm) And since Kivam copped to the turncoat role, and Jelly was off about Vemy, it could be that Dude's innocent is not so innocent after all (know anyone who would give you an innocent result on a mafia on the first day, just to mess with your mind?).  Or it could be something different. But then, If you stand back and look at this thing so far, we have:

 

* Thorum is lynched - FDM is night killed. Nothing new here.

* Jelly claims finder first, finding Vemy evil.

* Vemy is lynched and is innocent.  This looks really bad for Jelly.

* Dude claims finder second, during the night, after Vemy had been killed. He says that he did not counter claim to save Vemy because he felt he shouldn't. This looks really bad for the Dude.

* Dude finds Kivam to be - neither? Kivam is a "turncoat", one of the promised new roles, and evidently can choose to be evil or stay innocent. Kivam promises everyone that he would never turn evil....never.  This looks really bad for Kivam

* Night two ends and Jelly posts right away finding me to be mafia. But there has been a lot of talk about her having an alternative finder role.

* Dude posts and has nothing? Because - wait for it - Kivam, the turncoat, is also a role-blocker! Surprise! What a coincidence!

 

So Kivam and Dude go through their dust-up, blah blah blah, and we wrap up on Friday with both high on the possible lynch list.

 

Now, I really didn't think that these two would both be evil and set something like this up so early in the game.  I even say as much, noting that I would hate to lose either if they were innocent. I'll admit to leaning towards Kivam as the guilty party.

 

And then, sure enough, Kivam takes his sights off of Dude and points the finger at...Leelou! Who has hardly posted and when she did she suggested a no-lynch.  I'm not a fan of the no lynch, or low layers, but I could not have picked a player farther away from the action if my goal was to draw attention elsewhere. I'm almost sold on Kivam at this point. But, I stick to my plan, and wait until Monday morning to propose my idea. I'm doing this because neither said they would be away, and both can respond.

 

I thought for sure that Dude would see and go with the plan, and Kivam would fight it, knowing that if a finder system were discovered, the gig would be up.

 

But that's not what happened at all. Dude wants to find Jelly instead.

 

DPR, i see your point in a way about night-viewing you.  thing is, that really only works if we're (jelly and i) both innocents and telling the truth.  now, i know i am, but if jelly's not what she is claiming, then she's just going to lie and tell you what you want to hear.

 

So were supposed to assume that Dude is innocent, of course, and whatever he finds out about Jelly is the truth?  So far he has counter-claimed finder, and his information has turned up an innocent we would never ask to be revealed, Kivam as the turncoat-role-blocker, and a nothing on for night two, because he was blocked. This sounds really, really bad.

 

What if Jelly is an insane finder? And what if she's the only finder we have? Her results so far would actually make more sense, and we can do something with that. Or, if she is fake claiming, it is now impossible to tell with all of the crazy info that Dude has brought into the game.

 

I want to see what other's make of this before I vote. Is this helping or making it worse?  :P

 

 

[DPR]

 

Bah - the bottom qoute ends where it says /quote

[Luthine]

My thought here was that we will be able to tell what kind of finder Jelly is, and can do that by checking it against Dude's find.

 

Euh... I'm sorry I don't really get it either. Since Jelly already viewed you, why do it again?

It occured to me that with all of the hype about "new roles" and "variations on roles" from the mods, that we may be looking at a dual finder situation where one is correct on one night, and the other is off. It would be just like Alycral to do something devious like that (which I love!)

If this is the why, good news, it means you're evil, since Jelly was wrong Night 1 :P

 

Otherwise, I really like the idea of the Mafia laying low, letting us shred each other to pieces

[loki redfern]

..if her reselts change ever other night ..that makes you evil ..you conffesing?

 

shes already viewed you, i see it as a waste going back over old ground this early in the game. i think the best thing is for the dude and jelly to view jelly, to tell us the most, but i dont really want to be teling them what to do

[loki redfern]

er thats basically what luthine said ..cept heres made sence :-\

[Naeann]

It makes sense to me DPR.. but I don't trust you as far as I can throw you. :P  Especially with, like what Luth said... If it was an every other night thing and night one Jelly viewed Vemy and wrongly got that he was mafia.  Then when she viewed you.. she was correct in viewing you were mafia.

 

That being said I don't understand why you were the one to bring up the every other night deal.  You, of all of us here, know the correctness or incorrectness of that.  Since, whatever your alignment is, you know if she gave a correct claim or not.

 

Is this a slipup on DPR?  Cause that seriously pings my radar that you'd say that... *ponders*

 

Damnit people stop posting for a second. :P

[DPR]

My thought here was that we will be able to tell what kind of finder Jelly is, and can do that by checking it against Dude's find.

 

Euh... I'm sorry I don't really get it either. Since Jelly already viewed you, why do it again?

 

To see what result she get's. If she gets mafia again, she's an Insane Finder, which would be really good to know. If she gets innocent, then she's a Random Finder and is pretty much useless to us.

 

 

It occured to me that with all of the hype about "new roles" and "variations on roles" from the mods, that we may be looking at a dual finder situation where one is correct on one night, and the other is off. It would be just like Alycral to do something devious like that (which I love!)

If this is the why, good news, it means you're evil, since Jelly was wrong Night 1 :P

 

This is one possible scenario that I considered - although it has it's obvious flaw. But I mentioned it in case anyone else was thinking along the same lines, or to see if it prompted any other observations.

 

 

[DPR]

 

between the quotes and trying to squeeze a post in, I'm losing my mind - does everyone understand that last?

[loki redfern]

but the dude see roles if hehas actually healer abilitys, lynching kivam should confime that (more reason to lynch kivam) so we would get that anyway if the dude views her again, but we get basically nothing from her if she views you, it doesnt really eliminate anthing

 

and i think it was meant to be

 

 

My thought here was that we will be able to tell what kind of finder Jelly is, and can do that by checking it against Dude's find.

 

Euh... I'm sorry I don't really get it either. Since Jelly already viewed you, why do it again?

 

To see what result she get's. If she gets mafia again, she's an Insane Finder, which would be really good to know. If she gets innocent, then she's a Random Finder and is pretty much useless to us.

 

 

It occured to me that with all of the hype about "new roles" and "variations on roles" from the mods, that we may be looking at a dual finder situation where one is correct on one night, and the other is off. It would be just like Alycral to do something devious like that (which I love!)

If this is the why, good news, it means you're evil, since Jelly was wrong Night 1 :P

 

This is one possible scenario that I considered - although it has it's obvious flaw. But I mentioned it in case anyone else was thinking along the same lines, or to see if it prompted any other observations.

 

 

 

[Luthine]

Barely, but yeah ^^

 

If the goal is to determine whether she is insane or other, she might as well view herself like Loki suggested... assuming she is innocent of course.

If she got you Mafia again, she could just be paranoid too and just as useless as a random one.

[loki redfern]

hehe love the avy loopy

[DPR]

Thanks Loki  ;D

 

She can view herself, but no one is going to believe her.  But, you're right about her being paranoid as well. I just thought we could triangulate since I was the only one that either had viewed and both still could. One could argue that the same thing would work with Kivam, but only if we trust that he and Dude are not working together. Or, does anyone have another idea of how we can test them?

 

[Alys Kinch]

the current count is:

 

kivam- may, blig, loki, jelly

the dude- verbal

 

5 votes out, 15 alive means 8 to lynch

 

The players

 

1. The Dude

2. DPR

[glow=red,2,300]3. FDM- dead night 1 [/glow]  

4. LOki

[glow=red,2,300]5. Thorum- dead day 1 [/glow]

5. Sirayn

7. Luthine

8. Daetirion

9. Blig Blog

[glow=red,2,300]10. Vemynal- dead day 2[/glow]  

11. Leelou

12. Soybomb

13. Verbal

14. Naeann

15. Kivam

16. jelly

17. bcx

18. mayleigh

[Naeann]

If Jelly is insane (gets backwards viewings?)  she could still be of help.  We'd just have to see when she got an "innocent" view and that would mean a mafia.

[the dude]

well, DPR, here's the thing.  i'm not really sold on your idea because of the easy possibility of deception on jelly's part (i can't bring myself to trust her at this point).  the single biggest problem with your plan is just that, frankly, either one of us (i'm owning to the fact that few of you are trusting me here) can just lie to give the answer that suits our agenda.  y'see what i mean, man?  not trying to poo-poo your plan, but we'd need a way to verify the claims.  if you've got a way to do that, by all means, let me know.  i'm open here, if i see a plan that's workable.

 

i'm thinking of voting, but i'd like to ask the mods a question:  if we kill kivam, and he hasn't turned, would it still say he's a turncoat, or just innocent?

[DPR]

 

Does anyone else have any ideas on how we can confirm which finder is real?  Before the lynch is closed and they have time to come up with all new stories....

 

[Alys Kinch]

the current and correct roles and alignments are revealed. if there is a chance of change, that change will be reflected.

[Luthine]

I had to read that sentence 3 times to understand it ^^

 

Actually, I don't think we can figure out the Finders tonight, so let's have it [glow=red,2,300]Kivam[/glow]

 

*waits for the dude's explanation as to why Kivam wasn't a turncoat after all :P *

 

And loopy?  ::)

 

I like it ;D

[Alys Kinch]

my sentence?