Ship Wreck Mafia - game thread-

[Vemynal]

Vote Count

 

Vemy (3): Kivam, Boyo, Danya

Kivam (1): Vemy

Barm (1): Talya

Talya(1): Kison

 

Day ends Monday 14th @ 8pm MST

[Talya]

 

 

Both of these are horrible reasons to vote someone. The complete opposite of what you are suggesting can just as easily be true. That's called WIFOM, and while I have no idea if you know what that means, you can find more on that HERE.

 

That is not to say you are wrong... It's simply that both cases are equally likely to be true.

 

Needless to say, I'll do the hokey pokey and turn my vote around. [glow=red,2,300]Talya[/glow]

 

They are indeed Kison, and that is the problem with nearly every piece of evidence that goes up here. There can be more than one reason behind what people say...so yours it's just as a horrible reason for voting, if you look at it like that. As far as I can see there isn't much to go on at the moment and I'm just saying what stood out to me. *shrugs*

 

Kivam, I'm not such a good analyst as you, so where did you gt the impressions that Barmy knew Tigs had a role? If he didn't know but knew he was innocent then more than likely he would be guilty. If he just thought he was innocent then it could work either way.

 

At the moment my vote sticks, though others are pinging my rader.

 

Funny how we are all gunning for those that are actually posting, all the evils have to do is stay quiet whilst we lynch each other...just another thought. :-\

[Leelou]

Vemy and Kivam have been making a bit fuss and as I see it both of you could be evil or both just can be grasping for straws as to who is evil, so atm I don't feel like getting into the middle of an argument that could be detrimental to the innocent team. As it is I see [glow=red,2,300]Kison[/glow] to be sticking out for bringing up that Talya's vote was based on horrible reasons, but so is his and has no backing.

[Kivam]

They are indeed Kison, and that is the problem with nearly every piece of evidence that goes up here. There can be more than one reason behind what people say...so yours it's just as a horrible reason for voting, if you look at it like that. As far as I can see there isn't much to go on at the moment and I'm just saying what stood out to me. *shrugs*

 

Kivam, I'm not such a good analyst as you, so where did you gt the impressions that Barmy knew Tigs had a role? If he didn't know but knew he was innocent then more than likely he would be guilty. If he just thought he was innocent then it could work either way.

 

At the moment my vote sticks, though others are pinging my rader.

 

Funny how we are all gunning for those that are actually posting, all the evils have to do is stay quiet whilst we lynch each other...just another thought. :-\

 

Simple - when I asked the mod if we were getting roles, Barm said no.  Nephi corrected him and Barm said "news to me - go look at your day ending scene"

 

Unless Barm knew Tigs had a role, there'd be no reason for him to have a) thought that roles weren't being revealed in coroner (Tigs could have been roleless, hence the description as just "an innocent" or b) to have pointed back to the day ending scene when Nephi corrected him.

 

The two inescapable (as far as I can tell) conclusions are:

 

1) Tigs had a role (and the weird mention of prior time on the boat supports that) and

2) Barm knew about it.

[Kivam]

Sorry, but I can't exactly relate when it comes to meta-gaming. I don't Vemynal and have only played with Kivam once, where he was an exceptionally aggressive townie.

 

The way you two are carrying could start making me think you are both evil. A perfect way to make on of you look very innocent' date=' it's not as though it's been tried before.[/quote']

 

Both Vemy and Barmy thought Tigs innocent. They could be genuine' date=' but if you knew someone was innocent (because you were evil), to back that innocence up would be one way to try and make you also look innocent.[/quote']

 

Both of these are horrible reasons to vote someone. The complete opposite of what you are suggesting can just as easily be true. That's called WIFOM, and while I have no idea if you know what that means, you can find more on that HERE.

 

That is not to say you are wrong... It's simply that both cases are equally likely to be true.

 

Needless to say, I'll do the hokey pokey and turn my vote around. [glow=red,2,300]Talya[/glow]

 

Kison, you weren't involved in it, but in the Illuminator's first game Talya and I pulled just that scam to send our evil team to victory (we came out firing at each other day 1, I went down, and Talya was essentially above suspicion from then on - or at least less suspicious than some of the other players, which is how she won in the endgame).  So it's not just WIFOM logic that has her thinking this way; its metagaming my playing style as well.  Do with that info what you will.

 

Of course, this explanation does nobody any good, since it now ties me to Talya and if she turns out evil I'm screwed - but I wanted to make sure you were operating with full information since that's when you do your best work.

[Kivam]

Vemy and Kivam have been making a bit fuss and as I see it both of you could be evil or both just can be grasping for straws as to who is evil, so atm I don't feel like getting into the middle of an argument that could be detrimental to the innocent team. As it is I see [glow=red,2,300]Kison[/glow] to be sticking out for bringing up that Talya's vote was based on horrible reasons, but so is his and has no backing.

 

Leelou, now an FYI for you - Kison hates WIFOM arguments with a passion, and I've never seen him either a) fail to point it out when he thinks its happening; or b) fail to vote for the player he thinks is making a WIFOM argument

[Vemynal]

Vote Count

 

Vemy (3): Kivam, Boyo, Danya

Kivam (1): Vemy

Barm (1): Talya

Talya(1): Kison

Kison(1): leelou

 

Day ends Monday 14th @ 8pm MST

[Talya]

Okay thanks Kivam..I didn't see that. Hmmm...though we still don't know for definate Tigs had a role...we are just speculating on what was written at the end, though it did lkook like it could mean something :-\

 

The only other things is that Tigs was evil but had an innocent alignment when viewed or died and had a role...yeah I know I'm clutching at straws, and if I keep thinking like this I will just get a headache.

 

Okay I'm going to have to go away and think...

[DPR]

WIFOM is WIFOM no matter how you slice it, and meta-gaming is meta-gaming. We all know how this works, and right now we seem to have a few players directing the action, a few playing with their cards close to their vest, and a few more laying low. It's interesting that we have so many players with distinctive styles, but that does not mean that they are defined by them. When I look at this particular game, I see this:

 

Kivam is the leading the game around like it's on a leash. Anytime one player has that much of an effect on the game, it spooks me because that's when other players get comfortable with someone directing them, and before you know it, the bad guys are doing a happy dance in the winner's circle.

 

I did not see Barm's remarks the same way that Kivam did, and Talya's vote for Barm with a subtle push from Kivam, combined with his admission that he and Talya have pulled off winning plans in past games spooks me even more. It's kind of like an antimeta before the main dish is served. But Vem could easily be a part of this.

 

My verdict is still out on Vem, so I'm going to wait to vote and see if we have a few more revealing posts.

 

 

 

 

[Vemynal]

we still don't know for definate Tigs had a role

 

he had a role :P

[Kivam]

we still don't know for definate Tigs had a role

 

he had a role :P

 

And you know that with 100% certainty because . . .

 

Actually, there's only one reason I can think of why you might know that.  [glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

 

I've got some actual work to do, and I'll ponder where I'm going with my vote when I get back (and it may be back to Vemy, depending on what develops).  FTR, right now the people pinging my radar (aside from Vemy) are Talya and our inactives - Dark Justice and Min

[MsDanya]

...

 

 

*falls asleep*

[Alys Kinch]

*pokes the thread* sorry guys. took a day longer than i thought i would. had to work yesterday and then realised i wasn't totally ready for school today. :(

 

Do not lose this quote if any of those three come up scum.

 

lol. kivam is intelligent, and i like to match wits with him. it is very enjoyable to me to know when i have bested someone who is entirely smarter than i am.

 

Also, the idea that an evil team would deliberately choose not to kill to play headgames makes no sense.  As an evil, you want to narrow the field quickly, hopefully killing the finder before he can reveal and provide information, and at the very least moving closer to end-game.

 

it's also good as an evil to keep the pool confused because that means that you can operate with near impunity. it's a strategy that has worked more than once in the past. and it worked all too well. *shudders*

 

i do think it more likely that they ran out of time or something like that though. less likely that they got blocked on night one.

 

as far as the rest goes, day ends tonight. everyone seems to have a bad reason for voting for everyone else. we neeeeeed to get the ball rolling, but i don't see anywhere to go.

 

thinking further, while it'd be just like vemy to blow his own cover on day one, i don't think the possibility of him having what kivam was thinking is very high. i mean, that'd be all but one or two games here that weren't major rolls. i think it was more a vague dramatic statement.

[Alys Kinch]

oh and loki asked me to mention that he's still in, but he needs sleep.

[Talya]

OK everyone!

 

Dark Justice, Dsage  and Minuet are being bumped from the game. Sorry guys but the game needs to go on. 

 

DPR: (1) Barm

Barm: (2) Loki, kison

Kivam: (2) Alys, Vemy

Vemy: (1) Kivam

 

7 votes to lynch.

 

Get voting!

 

For your info Kivam DJ and Min are no longer in the game...so I guess that just leves me :D :-\

[Kivam]

thinking further, while it'd be just like vemy to blow his own cover on day one, i don't think the possibility of him having what kivam was thinking is very high. i mean, that'd be all but one or two games here that weren't major rolls. i think it was more a vague dramatic statement.

 

Uh, I think so Alys, but me and pippi longstocking?  What would the children look like?

 

(translated for the cartoon impaired: No, I don't think you're pondering what I'm pondering)

[Alys Kinch]

*grins* kivy knows something we don't?

[Kivam]

we still don't know for definate Tigs had a role

 

he had a role :P

 

And you know that with 100% certainty because . . .

 

Actually, there's only one reason I can think of why you might know that.  [glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

 

I've got some actual work to do, and I'll ponder where I'm going with my vote when I get back (and it may be back to Vemy, depending on what develops).  FTR, right now the people pinging my radar (aside from Vemy) are Talya and our inactives - Dark Justice and Min

 

Just noticed that Vemy's sudden conviction that Tigs was roled came after my comment that similar knowledge made barm look very innocent.  Which lowers the value of his proclaimed certainty considerably.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vemy[/glow], again

[Kivam]

*grins* kivy knows something we don't?

 

Yes - where the rum is

[DPR]

 

I may or may not be back before the deadline, so my best guess is [glow=red,2,300]Talya[/glow].

 

We know she's a good player, and she stands out to me as the most likely to at least be involved in a plan.  Going after Barm for his comments strikes me as an effort to get a player off of the field while we are drawn to the Vemy/Kivam battle, and I am still deciding on what I think about that. 

[Alys Kinch]

gotta go somewhere... [glow=red,2,300]vemy[/glow]

[Alys Kinch]

nephi dear, can we get the official roll updated so that all the players that were removed aren't still listed?

[Talya]

Well I'm keeping my vote on Barmy for now...I still can't see where it was he said he knew he was roled before Tigs was killed...saying so after, means nothing.

[Kivam]

Well I'm keeping my vote on Barmy for now...I still can't see where it was he said he knew he was roled before Tigs was killed...saying so after, means nothing.

 

Saying so after, but before there's any on-thread indication to suggest it, means just as much as saying so before.

[Kivam]

 

Vote Count

 

Vemy (4): Kivam, Boyo, Danya, Alys

Kivam (1): Vemy

Barm (1): Talya

Talya(2): Kison, DPR

Kison(1): leelou

 

Day ends Monday 14th @ 8pm MST

 

not voting: Loki (on LoA), SoyBoy, Naeann