Death in the Artic - Mafia Game!

[ilgross]

The SS Moridin was steaming across the Atlantic late at night cruising from the Old World to the New, Captain ilgross sat up on the bridge staring into the vast empty sea that surrounded the ship. Watching a few errant icebergs flirt with the prospect of hitting the ship, the Captain cursed his absent navigator... It would only be a few more days until they reached New York and the SS Moridin could complete its maiden voyage, the Captain was relieved that they would soon be making port as the crew and passengers had recently become getting a little....jittery... Conflicts had sprung up between the passengers there had even be few fist fights!

 

Yes there was something about this voyage that just didn't strike the good captain as just right...

 

Turning around to try and find his compass, the Captain saw a figure standing at the door..

 

"Oh Hello, What are you doing here?"

...

"Well perhaps it would be best if you left then, the bridge is not a public place"

...

"What, NO!"

 

*crash*

 

*struggle*

 

And with that the good Captain breathed his last breath, his assailant walking away into the night.

 

It is now morning and upon the discovery of the Captain’s dead body, the crew and passengers are at a loss. Clearly they have a murder with in their midst, it is now more important than ever that they reach port..However with no Captain how will they ever get there?

After much discussion they decide to elect a new Captain to lead them home. Hopefully this one will be more successful their successor....

 

IT IS NOW DAY 1, HOWEVER INSTEAD OF LYNCHING SOMEONE YOU MUST VOTE TO ELECT A NEW CAPTAIN.

 

THE CAPTAIN WILL HAVE DOUBLE POWERS, SO THEY WILL HAVE TWO VOTES AND DOUBLE WHATEVER NIGHT POWERS THEY MIGHT HAVE, MAFIA OR TOWNIE.

 

CHOOSE YOUR NEW CAPTAIN CAREFULLY.

 

AT ANY TIME DURING THE REST OF THE VOYAGE IF 3 PEOPLE PROPOSE TO ELECT A NEW CAPTAIN, THEN FRESH ELECTIONS WILL BE HELD. (YOU CAN DO THIS PRIVATELY IN A PM OR PUBLICALLY IN THE THREAD.)

 

THE RULES:

 

There is no Public Thread

 

You may only PM other players if your role EXPILICTLY allows it.

 

All PMs should be sent to me a night, ASAP.

 

There will be NO talking in the thread at night as you are all asleep, I will be locking it for good measure.

 

Make your votes Glow or Red

. They will be ignored otherwise.

 

You may not quote or screenshot your PMs from me.

 

You may lie.

 

Have fun...Roles are going out now. Please confirm you have recieved it!

[ilgross]

A few final rules:

 

Try not to SPAM. In fact try not to do it at all.

 

Everything was determined randomly.

 

DAY 1

 

Alive:

Alys Kinch

Twitch

Leelou

Talya

Sirayn

Mr. Soy Boyo

Far Dareis Mai

DreadPirateRoberts

Vemynal

Dark Justice

DSage

Danya

Kryos

Thorum

Safir

Barmacral

 

[Vemynal]

eh, until we get a better candidate i vote [glow=red,2,300]me[/glow] for Captain.

[Kryos]

Somehow Vemy, that does not surprise me that you are voting for yourself. Personally, I think the captain will end up being the one to die the most often, interesting rules, that's for sure. I so would've voted you too Vemy if not for the fact that we are electing a captain to have super powers. I think you with power could be a bad thing. I'm not going to be voting at this time as I want to see what others are thinking and what they have cooking up.

 

 

PS... Ilgross, it's Talya not Tayla... :) I constantly make the same mistake myself.

[MsDanya]

ok.....

 

well, just posting to let everyone know i'm here really. or is that spam? if it is, sorry! but you know me.. its like second nature  :-\

 

ok, lets see if I have got this right.. today we lynch no one at all? and when we get a new captain, we go to night? and the captain have doubled his powers?

 

sorry Vem, but i'm not randomly voting for you if thats the case  :P

 

 

[Sirayn]

Is there any way out of electing a captain? The thought of a killer captain with two night kills makes my little heart go pitter-pat and not in a good way. The thought of a captain with two recruiting options - so he can add two more people to his team, do they call this a cult? or is he a mason? - is causing me even greater pain. I'm not seeing the probability of lucking out and getting two heals, for example, as high enough to compensate for a rash of extra night kills ... although I must confess, I'd be very interested to see what happened to the captain next day if there had been two kills overnight.  :P

[Thorum]

I'm gonna try and eliminate the 'good captains':

 

1) too good at convincing people: Sirayn, Vemynal, Barmacral, Mr. Soy Boyo

 

2) Not enough experience (no first-time captains, when the first captain has been murdered) - these are the people I don't remember having played a real-names, non-newbie game: Twitch, Kryos, Safir, Leelou, Dark Justice

 

3) Doesn't want the job (yet): Thorum

 

4) That leaves 6 persons: Alys Kinch, Talya, Far Dareis Mai, DreadPirateRoberts, DSage, Danya.

 

Now it gets hard.

Don't take it wrong, but I've never heard of a female captain. That leaves DreadPirateRoberts and DSage. Two well-known pirates (around Fiddlesea), but only one can be captain. Seeing no spam is allowed, I'm gonna vote for [glow=red,2,300]DreadPirateRoberts[/glow] as captain. (sorry, DSage, but you're probably gonna have more problems with that; and sorry to all females  :-[ :-*)

 

Did that make any sense at all?

[Sirayn]

Wow, I don't even know where to begin!

 

Firstly, your classification seems to be extremely arbitrary. For example, you list Barmacral and Mr. Soy Boyo (is that you SBoydW?) as "too good at convincing people", but you don't think Talya or Alys Kinch are convincing? Your list of people with "not enough experience" includes two of the top three players on the mafia scoreboard? And half the rest can't become captain because ... they're female?

 

I would go into your final choice in a bit more detail but I seem to be looking at an entirely different player list. I see DreadPirateRoberts and DSage, but you're talking about Wes and Toy. I'm confused.  ???

 

In short, you just shot up my suspect list - in fact, I didn't even have a suspect list, so I've invented one all for you - for using bizarre and arbitrary reasons to pick one player as your choice. His gender was a particularly bad excuse and makes me look at you with great suspicion.

[Thorum]

DreadPirateRoberts is Wes

DSage is Toy

Mr. Soy Boyo is SBoydW

Danya is MsDanya

I'm gonna edit that in my previous post

 

And: the first two points are only my opinion of too-convincing/not-enough-experience (through the games I have played, I don't usually have the time to follow games I don't play in :(); and the last part was me looking for a way to make a random vote a little less random. I really have never heard of a female captain, so that just was a beginning of an excuse.

 

Oh, and evils really would try to put as much attention as possible on themselves.

 

EDIT: I'm gonna add a little bit more on specific choices on the convincing-list:

1) Talya not eliminated: I've only played with her (twice, both evil), and, yes, she can be convincingly, but she has never been able to convince ME.

2) Alys Kinch not very good at convincing, because she usually gets killed early.

3) Mr. Soy Boyo with the list: that's because of the newbie game, where me, Vemy, and Talya were evil.

4) Barmy is on it for the general impression I have from him, not only here, but also on fiddles and aiel.

[Sirayn]

DreadPirateRoberts is Wes

DSage is Toy

Mr. Soy Boyo is SBoydW

Danya is MsDanya

 

Thanks for this list. I've been enormously confused ever since everyone changed their names.

 

And: the first two points are only my opinion of too-convincing/not-enough-experience (through the games I have played, I don't usually have the time to follow games I don't play in :(); and the last part was me looking for a way to make a random vote a little less random. I really have never heard of a female captain, so that just was a beginning of an excuse.

 

I would have found a random vote far more convincing than your actual post. A random vote is, at least, up front about the fact that there is no basis whatsoever for the vote. Your post was a process of elimination trying to make it look logical to vote for this person when it really wasn't. This carries the risk that some other poor souls who didn't read too closely will follow you like little lambs while under the happy impression that at least one person thinks their vote is logical. :P

 

Oh, and evils really would try to put as much attention as possible on themselves.

 

That's not so at all. Some people like to lie low and coast to victory when they're evil. Some people like to drag the game kicking and screaming toward an evil victory. If you're quiet, you could be in the first category ... if you're loud, you could be in the second. Nice try.  ;)

[Thorum]

First, I've edited the explanations of specific persons in in the previous post;

 

Secondly: your last quote was meant sarcastically. You pumped me up as suspect for that reason. I usually vote for the person that puts as little attention on themself as possible. EDIT: OF THOSE I DOUBT BETWEEN (I thought this was at the start of the sentence)

[Sirayn]

Personally, I think the captain will end up being the one to die the most often

 

Good point.

 

If the captain is innocent: he may have any role under the sun, but there's a definite possibility from the evil team's point of view that he has a dangerous role like a vigilante or finder. It makes sense for the evil team to kill him unless they really don't think he has that role.

 

If the captain is evil: again he may have any role under the sun, but there's a major danger that he will have a double kill or even worse - a double recruit.

 

PS: I hate to harp on this point but let's say there are 16 players, so 4 evil players give or take. If the evil player has a recruiting power, when he becomes captain he'll have two. So on day one there will be 12 innocents and 4 evils - counting a night kill and two conversions, on day two there will be 9 innocents and 6 evils! This is practically a voting majority. You can see why this is exercising my mind.

 

If the captain is evil continued: they obviously won't kill their own team member. If there's a double kill, it leads us to the conclusion that the captain is evil, but a double kill is too useful a thing to throw away and I think it's entirely possible that they'd use the second kill and frame it as a vigilante kill. After all, imagine trying to lynch a captain who has a double vote himself and also has a legion of evil friends backing him up.  ???

 

My conclusions:

1. If you're a roleless innocent ... don't say so. The evil team will know they don't need to kill you if and when you become captain. Your being left alive will only confuse us.

2. If you have a powerful good role ... think carefully about whether you want to become captain.

3. If there's ever a double kill (unless at least one victim is evil in which case it's a vig kill) ... it makes perfect sense for the captain to be evil and we should strongly consider lynching him. It's possible the evil team had an extra kill anyway but that's something we'll need to consider at the time in light of the dangers of having an evil captain.

 

That's my current take on the situation. I'd still prefer not to elect one at all but I doubt this will be possible. I'll keep thinking and add anything else I come up with.

[Sirayn]

Secondly: your last quote was meant sarcastically. You pumped me up as suspect for that reason. I usually vote for the person that puts as little attention on themself as possible. EDIT: OF THOSE I DOUBT BETWEEN (I thought this was at the start of the sentence)

 

Ah, I see. I still disagree though. Being quiet is no more or less an evil indicator than being loud - everything else being equal. Your quiet player could be a low-lying evil or your loud player could be a schemin' evil executing their master plan!

 

I do have a particular dislike for quiet players though. I get this itchy voting finger when I see them sidle by. But I expect I'll get plenty of lynchin' opportunities to keep myself happy. ;) (edit: and it seems like you'll be harassing them enough without my assistance :P)

 

son of edit: and if you're evil, you have a far greater interest in making somebody on your team be captain than you do in lying low. The second one might keep attention off you ... but the first one actually, you know, helps your team win.

[DPR]

 

Thanks for the nomination Thorum, but I'll pass on the captain role. I want to make it through as much of the game as I can before I get myself killed  :P

 

 

 

[Leelou]

2) Not enough experience (no first-time captains, when the first captain has been murdered) - these are the people I don't remember having played a real-names, non-newbie game: Twitch, Kryos, Safir, Leelou, Dark Justice

 

Ok I'm not saying that I want the job, but I did play in the Nuthouse....So I have played in a non newb game.

[MsDanya]

can people please remember that editing post is generally not allowed?  :P

 

and this is moddy dany, not player dany  ;D

[ilgross]

Thats right Danya,

 

No Editing Post.

[Sirayn]

Sorry, my mistake. I need to engage the brain (and possibly read over at least once) before I hit send. :P

[ilgross]

Sorry Guys I made a bit of a slip up!

 

I re-randomised the roles in my excel spread sheet, when I created the player list, so now I am not sure who had which role!

 

This manifested itself when I sent a clarification message intended for a couple players but instead went to the wrong ones. Don't worry there was no sensitive infomation, and the recipents were purely random.

 

If everyone could just remind me which person has which role, to eliminate any meta-gaming, and those who got a message which doesn't seem to make sense just ignore it?

 

Thanks,

 

ilgross

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Hmmm...

 

Well, since Sira has very aptly gone over the possibilities of the life and times of being Captain ;)...let's go through and find out who is willing, or wouldn't hate the lot of us if we voted them to be Captain.  And as ilgross has mentioned, if we don't like so and so being captain, it will only take three of us to pm ilgross so we can have a new leader.

 

 

 

 

[Sirayn]

if we don't like so and so being captain, it will only take three of us to pm ilgross so we can have a new leader.

 

That's actually not what I understood from ilgross' post:

 

AT ANY TIME DURING THE REST OF THE VOYAGE IF 3 PEOPLE PROPOSE TO ELECT A NEW CAPTAIN, THEN FRESH ELECTIONS WILL BE HELD. (YOU CAN DO THIS PRIVATELY IN A PM OR PUBLICALLY IN THE THREAD.)

 

I understood this to mean that the three initial votes to depose the current captain had to be made in public, but that the ensuing election could then be held in public or in private. I hope this is true because if all it takes to get rid of a captain is three private PMs to the mod, we're doomed. Why would the mafia team put up with an innocent captain? They'd just fire the captain in secret, nobody would know any better, and then elect a new one. Admittedly this would strongly imply the ex-captain's innocence, but what's one likely innocent compared to another shot at an evil captain? Let's not forget that doubled night kill whatever other abilities they have.

 

This captain role increasingly seems like a gift to the mafia team. They have a voting block, so they already have a good chance that one of their number will become the captain. This gives them an extra night kill and any other abilities they have. They can pass off the extra night kill as a vig kill - although I hope they're afraid of the innocents' reaction if they do. In the unlikely circumstance that they don't become captain, they can just fire the person who does and try again!

 

I would absolutely vote to have no captain if I could. At the moment I don't think the possible advantages even remotely outweigh the dangers.

[Sirayn]

Actually, you're probably right Far Dareis Mai. Electing a new captain in private is obviously a non-starter so the bit in brackets must be applying to removing them in the first place. So it really does take only three secret votes to decaptain someone. We're going to get taken to the cleaners. :(

[Thorum]

Leelou, I can only go by the names I know. I specifically stated that that list is only how I PERSONALLY percept things. Not how everyone else is supposed to percept them.

 

And, since he asked for it, I'll [glow=red,2,300]unvote DreadPirateRobert[/glow]

 

I propose we first ask who wants the job. I don't, DreadPirateRobert doesn't (why such a long name :-\), Vemy does. The rest has made no claims. And, like I already explained, I won't vote Vemy for captain.

[Sirayn]

Here's another problem.

 

I'm willing to be captain because I know I'm not evil and any additional powers I got would be used in the innocents' cause. I'm not willing to vote for anybody else because I don't know they're not evil and I don't know any additional powers they got would be used in the innocents' cause. Equally, you should not be willing to vote for me because you don't know I'm not evil.

 

Anybody who isn't me becoming captain could have a strong negative effect on my team's progress. But this is exactly the same equation for everyone - unless they're evil in which case they can happily nominate players who aren't themselves (and I'm looking at you, Thorum). What innocent would vote for another player to become captain? ???

[Thorum]

What innocent would vote for another player to become captain? ???

 

Well, we'll never reach a majority if nobody votes for someone else.

 

And I think you (and Vemy) can convince people too good to be captain. There's as much chance you are evil than anyone else.

 

I'm waiting for another candidacy.