Seasons/playoffs/championship feed back thread.

[SBoydW]

Since we have a scoreboard up and running now what everyones thoughts on having a "Mafia Season".  Basically it would be a set period of time... say 10 games.  After those 10 games the top players (number to be set at a future date) would be put into a "playoff/championship" game, and whoever has the most points after that would be declared "Mafia champ".

 

Thoughts, Ideas?  Good, bad, terrible?

 

Let me know

[Thorum]

Formidastical!!

 

The practicallities will need a lot of deep thinking though

[Barmacral]

I think this is a great idea, and in the long run can be expanded into a Game Board Champ all around after we get people to actually start playing other games.

[MsDanya]

I like this idea very much!

 

we should do the advertisement soon, so we get players for the next big game.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

(Not posting this on my true account because I was the last to post in the current game and so posting on my alt would be a dead giveaway - I humbly beg your forgiveness)

Questions: Would participants be chosen based on score for the season or on average score per game, with a minimum of (non-newbie?) games to qualify? Maybe bump the season up to twelve games and say that you have to have participated in a third (four) of those games for your score to be considered?

Also, how would the mod for this game be chosen, given that the best and most devious would be in the game itself?

 

Also, sorry if this posts fifteen times or something, my computer is spazzing out.

[SBoydW]

Would participants be chosen based on score for the season or on average score per game, with a minimum of (non-newbie?) games to qualify?

 

I think the best way to go would be to go by the total number of points.  as to the newbie game deal... that's a good idea, I think that only a certain percentage of games should be newbie games.  if your percentage is over the limit then you wouldn't qualify.

 

Maybe bump the season up to twelve games and say that you have to have participated in a third (four) of those games for your score to be considered?

 

Yeah 10 was just a hypothetical number... I was thinking more along the lines of 15 games and you would have had to played in 1/3 of those games to qualify.  so let's set the newbie game qualifying limit to 2/5s.  so of the minimum of 5 games rquired to play in the playoff game only 2 could be newbie games.

 

I hope that made sense...

 

Also, how would the mod for this game be chosen, given that the best and most devious would be in the game itself

 

okay let's say that top 10 (again hypothetical number) make the play off game.... let's say that the #11 person mods...

 

that may be a crappy idea... bu that's what this thread is for... to work out the details. ;D

 

 

 

 

[Barmacral]

A newbie is allowed 3 games. Should it be 3 newbie games universally then?

[ilgross]

Question: The noobie games and adult games are ranked the same but are played at different levels.

 

question 2: Do we even have enough players to play a mafia grand final?

[Vemynal]

hmm I think ilgross hit something here, do we have enough people to hold only a 10 person mafia game?

 

and honestly I'm for not counting the new player games on the score board guys. or at least not ranking thm the same as a real game.

 

and also, do we play 15 mafia games a year? i wasn't even sure we play a mafia game a month (not counting new player games)

 

what about 10 mafia games a season. we don't count new player games points towards the scoreboard. the top 8 players play in a game (so likely 2 mafia, thought thats up to the mod) the mod is the 9th place person.

 

and then give points for the season championship game separately after the game is over:

 

kivam 9point

sboyd 6points

ilgross 1point

 

"congratulations kivam for being mafia champion!"

 

get it? or am I being confusing again?

 

as to the # of games played to qualify. I suggest its required that you have played 5 mafia games of the season (50%, the same # as before, but a higher % of the games) thing is, new player games wouldn't count towards this at all. but since new player games run along side the real games and theirs no requirement of new player games to join a real game i don't see the issue.

 

and the game attendance % doesn't have to be too high guys. if someone plays 4 games and wins all of them they have 12 points. if someone loses all 10 games they played then they would have 10 points. and we would already be cutting out a better player for a worse player. just a worse player who plays more

[ilgross]

How about we play a few games, I will keep a log of the different games noobie/major, and if in like 6 games time we have a well defined ladder with people ranked well, we can play a finals match, but wait until we see what the scoreboard ends up like...

[MsDanya]

I agree with that Ilgross.

 

or maybe we should have two separate scoreboards, one for newbies and one for more experienced players? meh, that was a bad idea. dont listen to me  ::)

 

and I think we can calculate ca how many games there will be in a year. one average big game lasts about 1 month? maybe a bit more? plus at least two weeks before the new game starts.. hmm.. i'd say not many more than 6 or 7 games a year. ooh... reminds me of something.. *giggles*

 

err yeah, I dont have anything to contribute with here..  :P

[SBoydW]

one average big game lasts about 1 month?

 

That's another thing that I'd like to adress. Is there some way to move these games along?  Like maybe setting a time limit on them? Say 36-48 hour days 18-24 hour nights?

 

we don't count new player games points towards the scoreboard

 

Well I definately think that we should count the newbie games, but not as much as the experienced player games.

 

 

Should it be 3 newbie games universally then?

 

Sounds good to me.

 

How about we play a few games, I will keep a log of the different games noobie/major, and if in like 6 games time we have a well defined ladder with people ranked well, we can play a finals match, but wait until we see what the scoreboard ends up like...

 

That sounds like a good trial run, and should help to elimnate some kinks.

 

and also, do we play 15 mafia games a year?

 

this is looking more ahead to the future.  I think that once we get more than one mafia game running at a time (not counting newbie) then we will easily get 15 games per season int. Also the seasons are going to overlap physical years just because of the time it's being implemented.

 

[ilgross]

I think a key problem with our mafia games are that people are too indesicive too prone to lurking, in my mafia game which is next to be modded I will introduce penalties for both spam and lurkyness.

 

Seriously 55 pages and only day 2 is rediculous...

[SBoydW]

agreed whole heartidly(sp?).

[SBoydW]

I think we need to get back to modkilling for inactivity instead of replacing the player.  That would help games move along, and also encourage people not to lurk.

[Alys Kinch]

Moderators need to be setting time limits of four days at the most per day cycle. I hesitate to include the weekends, but... I am mean. Two days for night. Players CAN send in actions early, and mods should accept scenarioed actions. Such as if X is innocent, I would like to view Y. If X is evil, I would like to view Z. Move it on people.

[MsDanya]

well, we had the time limit in Suras Hunt. I think it worked great. really makes it more fun to play as well, as we donht have 30 pages to read and waiting 5 days for nigthactions  ::)

 

I'm not sure about your other suggestion tho. but thats not for this thread. if anyone wanna discuss, we can either set up a new thread for discussing rules and things like that, or we can take it in an existing thread.

 

but thats just me  :) :-*

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

I have to say I prefer the average points idea more than the total points. Say the season is fifteen games.

 

Person A loses all 15 and gets 15 points

Person B only plays five (the minimum) but pulls off two team wins, a stunning solo win and two losses plus a point for excellent play in one of the games. They get 14 points.

 

Provided that the minimum number of games is high enough that someone can't just win once or twice and sit on that score for the whole season without risking their average in another game, we'll have a system that awards quality of play rather than quantity. And quality is what a championship game should be about.

 

In the World of Warcraft PvP system, you get three tokens for a battleground win and one for a loss. Sound familiar? Okay, this means that you can be mediocre or plain bad and still build up points just by playing incessantly. This is fair enough. After all, we all play to enjoy the game and not necessarily to be competitive. And players expect and deserve rewards for their time.

But if you were looking for championship players would you choose those who dive back into the mill constantly only to get beaten again and again and again?

[Asmodean-Mafia]

I really like the sound of this idea :D .

 

However just to spice it up this is what i thought when you first said this and I had not read through fully yet:

 

What about instead of the playoff thing it could be a whole 'tournament' with like the players being 'seeded' but the ranking, and with very short time limits 18 hour day/night and the best player move on, just an idea, and needs thinking through a bit more.  Also sorry about posting in this account here, but, well laziness takes me.

 

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

The time limit is too short considering we can't all be here at the same time. We can't plan a date for us to all skip work and school either.

[SBoydW]

yeah 18 is a wee short... and I think that only the top (howevermany [is that one word?]) players should be in the game.... once this gets up and running the way I want it to I think that there would be to many players for one game.

 

also on the time limit... I would like to set a 24-36 hour day limit... and 12-18 night limit. meaning that a day has to has to last 24 hours but no longer than 36 and the same with night, at least 12 no longer than 18.  that gives 36-54 hours for a cycle.  that should be plenty.

[Barmacral]

We need to play around with time limits... I'm trying a 5 day limit now, I'm thinking I want to shorten it to 4 or 3 days for a day. I think less than 48 hours is too short, as there is exactly the problem that goes with the 18 hour limits. 3 day days, 2 day nights, max. Would be much better... I'll do a 3 day limit for my day 4 and see how it works out.

[SBoydW]

Well... I think it should at least be tried out. :P

 

Would a future mod care to test the 36-54 cycle?

[Vemynal]

hey guys, what if for the score board we take the # of games you've played and the # of points you have and then average them?

 

before player1 played all 10 games and lost each one and ended with 10 points

but player 2 who played 3 games and won each only had 9 points and "10" was our cut off.

 

but if we say average it then player 1 ends up with 1 point and player 2 ends up with 3 points, more accurately depicting skill.

 

another: player 3 has played 6 games and has 14 points (2 loses, a lose with 1 bonus point, 2 wins and a win with a bonus point) then thats 14 divided by 6 which is 2.3 points.

 

I was thinking we can keep players "total points" on the boards and have a "seasons points" part as well. and then we can add "total average" and "season average" to that.

 

And we could use the seasons average to determine our top 8 players!

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Kinda like what I was getting at a few posts above, then? Although you probably expressed it better.