[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

[Gudrean]

  On 6/1/2025 at 11:04 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Yup I think Darthe is Town. He's claimed an alignment checking role..and that role has now been removed.

 

Symp don't need to check alignment... they know who's on the Mafia Team but the Mafia team don't know who they are.

 

That's why Eddie could be the Symp cos he killed a claimed Town positive role and all he's said is sorry?

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Just asking: couldn't he be town, symp AND had the 1x role checker?

[Gudrean]

  On 6/1/2025 at 11:45 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

CCd means counter claimed. You seemed to be saying someone had also claimed cop, and as Dice was confirmed it almost looked like you were pointing out you had been caught in a lie. Which would have odd, lol, hence why we're asking what you meant. Glad to know your still unCC'd 🙂

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I said my showing my path of starting with it and passing it to Dice was the best you were gonna get, I know it's not a counter claim, but does show I started with it and that makes me town, DPR wouldn't start the game giving a mafia the Cop role.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 6/1/2025 at 12:11 PM, Gudrean said:

Just asking: couldn't he be town, symp AND had the 1x role checker?

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Unlikely.  First as symp he would already know all alignments.  The symp knows the mafia but they don't know him. The role would be redundant. I guess it is POSSIBLE. Of all the 1x roles I would think the most likely to be symp would be Governor. Maybe Necromancer. 

[Gudrean]

  On 6/1/2025 at 12:23 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Unlikely.  First as symp he would already know all alignments.  The symp knows the mafia but they don't know him. The role would be redundant. I guess it is POSSIBLE. Of all the 1x roles I would think the most likely to be symp would be Governor. Maybe Necromancer. 

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So your saying maybe Dice or LeeLou were the Symp? Necro was a 1x permanent role? and Governor too?

[Turin Turambar]

I'm saying of the permanent roles that I assume are 1x shots, the most likely ones to be mafia based just on mechanics would be governor and necromancer. Based on play and my own belief that Teph was likely mafia as hot potato basically equals flavored RB, Leelou could have stopped the lunch, Dice could have brought him back. They did neither. 

 

That leads to another question though, if Dice necro'd Heavy, how did he die? He shouldn't have been able to use more than 1 action per night according to the rules. I need to check.

[Gudrean]

Where it stands with Darthe's reveal either SD or Turin is wolf unless there's some crazy bus driving going on, I don't understand that role good enough, but anyways Turin's game has looked clean.

VOTE SINISTER

This could change with better evidence coming out.

[Turin Turambar]

I looked for the rules about using mtiple roles. It's not in the game OP (at least I didn't see it), but I. The sign up thread it says a player can only use one "pass along" role per night. So, since necro was a "permanent " role he could use it and one of either cop or doc. 

 

Had a moment there.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

But the Mentalist can also be used to create confusion. 

 

Like at the moment the train is building on Sinister pretty fast because of what Darthe has said. 

 

@Turin Turambar I never noticed if you answered, but if we are eliminating SD we got to do you next. You ok with that? We don't get flips. Copping one of you would be more efficient. That way if Darthe is being honest we get two alignments instead of one. This way if he isn't telling the truth we will be two miseliminations and two NKs (all being equal) before we get back to hunting wolves. I think running up Peace and seeing what shakes loose is a better idea. 

 

Do not like these votes on Sinister, though that is not to say I'm defending him, but I don't like the strategy behind it 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Or Ed. How do we understand someone that isn't upto date in the thread, doesn't vote, yet shoots an unCC'd townie? Also who gave a flying primate a loaded gun in the first place? 

 

Questions need to be asked. 

[Gudrean]

  On 6/1/2025 at 12:53 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Or Ed. How do we understand someone that isn't upto date in the thread, doesn't vote, yet shoots an unCC'd townie? Also who gave a flying primate a loaded gun in the first place? 

 

Questions need to be asked. 

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I do wonder about Ed being the Symp?

[Shad_]

Unconventional kills.  Didn't put my head into what has been claimed but it tells me a couple things.

 

Wolves could have had mechanical insight.  Do we know role-wise how viable this is?

 

Or Ithi is a wolf, somewhat improbable to me unless Turin and/or Dice teamed with her because I don't see both being dead wrong on her given they seemed to be well informed meta takes

 

Or wolves are very old school.  Long long ago it was Dragonmount tradition to got for the kills that provide the least info.  This has been long shown to be suboptimal on average and I only expect it from people of an older DM generation: berf, ed, was SD playing back then?  Modern Werewolf would trend to kill me Ithi or Darthe based on engagement level and thread pull.  We had the most control over the D1 lynch choices.  You kill the loud people you can't control or easily mislynch and let the future tinfoil targets remain to get lynched another day.

 

Specifically like, if SD is a villager why wouldn't you kill me and if SD is a wolf why wouldn't you kill Ithi?  Neither of us were remotely within range of consideration for getting lynched, we very vocally disagreed over the main lynch choice, and one of us was bound to get our way the moment the other was removed.  So the above three speculations are foremost in my head.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/1/2025 at 12:57 PM, Gudrean said:

I do wonder about Ed being the Symp?

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But of course why out yourself? Or did he pull the trigger before I claimed. But then he risked shooting me when I could easily have been eliminated, especially with his vote. 

 

And he cannot hide as the Gunsmith knows it was him. 

 

Why not vote me and shoot someone else? 

 

Unless we really are talking about shooting for the lolz, lol. 

[Shad_]

oh yeah peace is also on team old

[Gudrean]

  On 6/1/2025 at 1:00 PM, Shad_ said:

Unconventional kills.  Didn't put my head into what has been claimed but it tells me a couple things.

 

Wolves could have had mechanical insight.  Do we know role-wise how viable this is?

 

Or Ithi is a wolf, somewhat improbable to me unless Turin and/or Dice teamed with her because I don't see both being dead wrong on her given they seemed to be well informed meta takes

 

Or wolves are very old school.  Long long ago it was Dragonmount tradition to got for the kills that provide the least info.  This has been long shown to be suboptimal on average and I only expect it from people of an older DM generation: berf, ed, was SD playing back then?  Modern Werewolf would trend to kill me Ithi or Darthe based on engagement level and thread pull.  We had the most control over the D1 lynch choices.  You kill the loud people you can't control or easily mislynch and let the future tinfoil targets remain to get lynched another day.

 

Specifically like, if SD is a villager why wouldn't you kill me and if SD is a wolf why wouldn't you kill Ithi?  Neither of us were remotely within range of consideration for getting lynched, we very vocally disagreed over the main lynch choice, and one of us was bound to get our way the moment the other was removed.  So the above three speculations are foremost in my head.

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If this were the case, Ithi is good enough to pull off wolf that seems town, but if Dice is wolf wouldn't he have died with the cop ability to remove it from the game? Or am I misunderstanding how this works?

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Leelou was set against Peace and Berf. Unless I misremembering. The straight forward thing to do is remove her. Anyone is sus just WIFOM. Killing her to leave a false trail is possible but that leaves the possibility you are leaving people more suspicious of you alive. 

 

Unless the wolves are under no suspicion I don't think a false trail is likely. I think it looks bad for those two, or at least one. Though as ever, hardly a smoking gun. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/1/2025 at 1:14 PM, Gudrean said:

If this were the case, Ithi is good enough to pull off wolf that seems town, but if Dice is wolf wouldn't he have died with the cop ability to remove it from the game? Or am I misunderstanding how this works?

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Dice would have to pass them on, and I doubt he realised he was messing with the Siren. Sadly he could even have been protecting them, but you think the cop in this game would be a better role. 

 

Dice brought me back to life instead of Teph. I think that clears him pretty much. 

[Shad_]

  On 6/1/2025 at 1:17 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Leelou was set against Peace and Berf. Unless I misremembering. The straight forward thing to do is remove her. Anyone is sus just WIFOM. Killing her to leave a false trail is possible but that leaves the possibility you are leaving people more suspicious of you alive. 

 

Unless the wolves are under no suspicion I don't think a false trail is likely. I think it looks bad for those two, or at least one. Though as ever, hardly a smoking gun. 

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No one paid one lick of impactful attention to Darthe's reads after he called you and berf wolves and got immediately shot in the face.  While wolves go for WIFOM plays sure, even that angle makes more sense if you say, kill Ithi when SD is town so everyone doubts my shield on him and thinks we're partners.  Leelou is an odd slot for a WIFOM kill because she wasn't very vocal.

 

Darthe and Leelou both dying with berf on their lips is interesting.

 

I was louder against berf but also called peace town all game.  Also interesting.

 

Also fits my read that wolves are being led by an older school of players.  I hadn't even known Leelou was pushing berf and peace when I said that.

[DPR]

Current Vote Cout:

 

SD (3) - Turin, Ithi, Gud

peace (1) - Heavy

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

Day 2 ends at 4 pm on Monday, the 2nd. 
The countdown timer is the first post in the OP

[Shad_]

vote: peace

 

didnt put much thought into this yet but between the two nothing over night seems to have implicated SD since where I was at thinking he was town yesterday.  Peace has some actual action-based equity 

[Shad_]

Note that I am not actually spun up on mech so maybe there is dirt on SD i'm missing?

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 5/30/2025 at 3:58 PM, Leelou said:

Tigs, I hope you feel better soon! 
 

Hiya Darthe 🙂 

 

I’m willing to move my vote to Berf if no one joins me on Teph. 

 

shad, not loving that you’re okay with a random here. 

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Looks like maybe I was misremembering about Peace. It was more Peace sussing Leelou than Leelou sussing Peace. My apologies. Ateast in unless I missed a post but it seems Leelou just corrected Peace, and did not openly sus him for accusing her of distancing. 

 

I was also voting berf before Teph and became the counter train and got shot. 

 

Hmm. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/1/2025 at 1:39 PM, Shad_ said:

Note that I am not actually spun up on mech so maybe there is dirt on SD i'm missing?

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Darthe claims Mentalist and claims he got a reading of Turin/Sinister as different alignment. Hence all the votes on Sinister. 

 

I would have thought you had seen that but just in case lol. 

 

I have a strong suspicion that Darthe isn't playing straight, given all of his actions and a lot of his reads. 

[DPR]

Current Vote Cout:

 

SD (3) - Turin, Ithi, Gud

peace (2) - Heavy, Shad

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

Day 2 ends at 4 pm on Monday, the 2nd. 
The countdown timer is the first post in the OP

[Shad_]

  On 6/1/2025 at 1:49 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Darthe claims Mentalist and claims he got a reading of Turin/Sinister as different alignment. Hence all the votes on Sinister. 

 

I would have thought you had seen that but just in case lol. 

 

I have a strong suspicion that Darthe isn't playing straight, given all of his actions and a lot of his reads. 

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oh

 

Turin always had some wolf equity but I guess in the absence of flips we can kill them both

[Shad_]

I keep forgetting Darthe isn't a confirmed villager who was resurrected