Camp Dreadfall Mafia Game -- GAME OVER -- MAFIA WIN!

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 18

5 minutes ago, DPR said:

Im saying that the nature of my disagreement with Turin is not likely to be viewed as T/T. Do you think we are both likely town?

Why cannot both your suspicions be wrong? And as I said, you claiming Darthe cannot believe you both doesn't make sense, it is because he doesn't believe either of you that he would put it down as T/T. Something you seem to be ignoring.

I don't know. I do get the sneaking feeling that most moves itt have been town and the wolves have been largely slanking watching us flail about unsuccessfully.

That said I do have bad feelings about Turin and Darthe but I really as yet cannot put my finger on why, which kind of sucks in a town loses the game next miselimination situation. Not something you want to bet the house on.

Darthe · May 18

On that note, @Ed, @SD, @Dice, @Tig if you’re town and I’m wrong here, it’s your job to fight for it. We don’t have the room for you to leave yourselves in comfortable, noncommittal spaces.

Darthe · May 18

52 minutes ago, DPR said:

Vote Darthe

Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t see where Turin and I are seen as town on town violence. You either buy into his terrible case building on me or you agree with my points and questions to him, but not both.

I’ve also asked twice about your reasons for having SD as scum. Maybe you’re busy. Maybe you’re slanking. Either way, the clock is ticking

Front and center young man

Dangerous to vote like this to make a point today, you’re gonna get what I get when I get it regardless but I don’t like that in MYLO. I think Turin is wrong town, but town. I think your response to him is overly defensive and that’s affecting your case. If he’s a deep wolf then it’s a topic for when the other two are dead. He thinks you’re a wolf, so I’d make that same point to him. Ideally, I’d like to bridge the gap between you two and get a core going. Surely we can agree that there’s a clearer path forward than trying to resolve the two players who’ve put the most into hunting. That’d be a dumb way to lose if wrong.

Ithillian Turambar · May 18

Official Vote Count

SD - 1 (Dice)

DPR - 1 (Turin)

Darthe - 1 (DPR)

Not Voting (5): Heavy, Darthe, Tig, Eddie, SD

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Day 2 Deadline

Darthe · May 18

50 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Gah. Why are you agreeing with my gut reads, pirate?

But could you clarify, T/T violence is where you are both wrong. Why would Darthe need to agree with you both? He is saying your arguments against each other are wrong, not right.

Though I don't trust him, and I don't think it is due to anything I can explain. FML.

Let’s try a different perspective. In a world where I’m town what are your reads?

Same question for if I’m a wolf?

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 18

6 minutes ago, Darthe said:

This is the sort of “yes and” post that I’m nervous about from you heavy. It’s not damned if you do, damned if you don’t, but you went from one game ago needing to be told that mafia isn’t a role playing game to making precise and confident inferences about posts you’re interpreting. That smacks of high level coaching. Again, not a target for me today, but this is my “paranoia” pick for a deep wolf right now.

See? Again this interplay between Darthe and Turin. It feels slimey.

And yet would it be any different if they were town and both were correctly sussing SD of being a wolf?

But I really don't like this. Darthe is shooting down my criticism of Turin's fairly tenuous case against SD by making indirect criticism of me. If my inferences are precise and confident, shouldnt you be listening to them, even if you don't agree with them? You have me at a town read, but that will erode if I say anything with precision and confidence?

Well, points win prizes, votes win games, time to toss the dice and see the results.

Darthe · May 18

11 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

OK. I read your other post wrong. I read that you could be persuaded by Ed. That made no sense. What you meant was you could be persuaded to vote Ed. That makes more sense.

I did find his EoD troubling.

There’s again an element of wagonomics to it. He was on SD all day as a joke vote and switched to peace at the end. I’m super confident in him being a wolf *if* SD is a wolf. This is why not having a cop sucks.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 18

VOTE DARTHE

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 18

Also the role playing comment. That is Turin's language, a comment he has made a few times. Why is it coming out of Darthe's mouth?

Darthe · May 18

2 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

See? Again this interplay between Darthe and Turin. It feels slimey.

And yet would it be any different if they were town and both were correctly sussing SD of being a wolf?

But I really don't like this. Darthe is shooting down my criticism of Turin's fairly tenuous case against SD by making indirect criticism of me. If my inferences are precise and confident, shouldnt you be listening to them, even if you don't agree with them? You have me at a town read, but that will erode if I say anything with precision and confidence?

Well, points win prizes, votes win games, time to toss the dice and see the results.

Aaand Heavy is back in the WTL pool.

Point by point here, so no one can miss this.

The first paragraph is pure crap flinging.

The second paragraph is an “oh no im new and dont know any better” type lawyer-asking-the-bench question thrown to the open air. In a world of red flags that one is crimson.

The meat paragraph has a couple of points. The chainsaw defense argument is fantastically hypocritical since this post itself is a chainsaw defense of the cases we are both making against SD.

To the second half (which I think is fairly NAI fwiw as no one new likes to have their alignment questioned) yes a new player who is being town read on being incompetent in a way that seems sincere pings when they suddenly appear competent. Congrats on making the step from “this person has no idea what they’re talking about” to “they’re bad at this but I get why they think what they do”. Skipping five steps to “they’re good at this” in the middle of a game does ping, yeah?

If the team is SD, Ed, Heavy I am happy with my play here. Still wanna lynch in that order atm.

DPR · May 18

36 minutes ago, Darthe said:

It’s not a formalized case, I’ve not had the time to make something like that. There are a few things that all point me in the same direction, and I’m inclined to believe that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck… ya know.

first, and probably the weakest point, is the nonsense about dice rolling and tarots cards and etc. he’ll be quick to refute this as something he doesn’t believe, but he keeps using it in lieu of something he actually does believe. The lack of belief and gimmick crutch aren’t some magic wolfy tell but they are -ev.

second, and this one stood out to me so much I’m still sitting on it multiple RL days later, is that post he made where he bounced off of EPs read to justify throwing trash at me. He shouldn’t know EP is town, and it read so clearly as him opportunistically inflaming any divisions. Particularly I thought this was coordination of they were both wolves. Not true in hindsight, but I still think it’s wolfy independently of their connection.

third, and most important to sustaining my read, is wagonomics. The d1 lynch got swung away from him despite him being the early train, it came back to him near EoD, and the peace wagon went all his way once he had 4 votes. Peace went from either 3 to 6 or 4 to 6 votes at that point. I commented on this last night, but with the hindsight of today’s flips it’s real interesting where the confirmed town were, adding myself in from my perspective.

beyond these ^ I’d rather take a strong gut d1 read over playing follow the leader. All in all it’s enough for me to take my celebrity shot.

I’ll tell you what I think - SD is low hanging fruit and an easy grab for a mislynch

I don’t think his train ever had any steam behind it. It was just an obvious place to go while waiting for more realistic options to materialize

As far as wagonomics go, that’s pretty much trash science as far as I’m concerened. I’ve never had much use for it, especially in hybrid hammer games where it doesn’t matter anyway

No bueno amigo

18 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Dangerous to vote like this to make a point today, you’re gonna get what I get when I get it regardless but I don’t like that in MYLO. I think Turin is wrong town, but town. I think your response to him is overly defensive and that’s affecting your case. If he’s a deep wolf then it’s a topic for when the other two are dead. He thinks you’re a wolf, so I’d make that same point to him. Ideally, I’d like to bridge the gap between you two and get a core going. Surely we can agree that there’s a clearer path forward than trying to resolve the two players who’ve put the most into hunting. That’d be a dumb way to lose if wrong.

I really don’t like the way you use the word “dangerous” here. I look at more like nobody is even playing, so what’s there to lose? May as well stir the pot - and look what happened lol

As far my being overly defensive, that’s fine if you think so. I look at as frustrating because a number of the points he’s made are factually incorrect, as I’ve pointed out. He’s ignored my points and continues to appeal to emotion with words like “disdain”, which makes me think he’s well aware of the level of apathy in the thread and keeps pushing his agenda out there with no push back. Maybe I’m wrong. We’ll see

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 18

2 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Aaand Heavy is back in the WTL pool.

Point by point here, so no one can miss this.

The first paragraph is pure crap flinging.

The second paragraph is an “oh no im new and dont know any better” type lawyer-asking-the-bench question thrown to the open air. In a world of red flags that one is crimson.

The meat paragraph has a couple of points. The chainsaw defense argument is fantastically hypocritical since this post itself is a chainsaw defense of the cases we are both making against SD.

To the second half (which I think is fairly NAI fwiw as no one new likes to have their alignment questioned) yes a new player who is being town read on being incompetent in a way that seems sincere pings when they suddenly appear competent. Congrats on making the step from “this person has no idea what they’re talking about” to “they’re bad at this but I get why they think what they do”. Skipping five steps to “they’re good at this” in the middle of a game does ping, yeah?

If the team is SD, Ed, Heavy I am happy with my play here. Still wanna lynch in that order atm.

Love the OMGUS energy, really should get the thread bouncing.

So you are doubling down on the point my "case" against you is too refined for a poor player like me to have come up with? That almost sounds like deflection.

Also I will happily admit I have no idea what a chainsaw defense is. Does anyone else? Would it be reasonable to think anyone should understand it? For all I know it is a common mafia term, googling it just comes up with fairly worrying hits about chainsaws being used for home protection and self defense, which I'm pretty sure they are not meant for.

Your response seems totally out of proportion.

Ithillian Turambar · May 18

Official Vote Count

SD - 1 (Dice)

DPR - 1 (Turin)

Darthe - 2 (DPR, Heavy)

Not Voting (4): Darthe, Tig, Eddie, SD

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Day 2 Deadline

Edited May 18 by Ithillian Turambar
Corrected.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 18

I wish I had the confidence that Darthe accuses me of. About the only other thing that has really pinged me is Tigs being proud of me. Which surely means she must be pretty confident that I'm town? A good read or TMI? Nah, sorry just more WIFOM.

DPR · May 18

4 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I wish I had the confidence that Darthe accuses me of. About the only other thing that has really pinged me is Tigs being proud of me. Which surely means she must be pretty confident that I'm town? A good read or TMI? Nah, sorry just more WIFOM.

I gotta say, the coaching comment was interesting. That’s a nice way to try and steal someone’s credibility and confidence.

That’s something I would do if I wanted to be nasty lol

Darthe · May 18

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

I’ll tell you what I think - SD is low hanging fruit and an easy grab for a mislynch

I don’t think his train ever had any steam behind it. It was just an obvious place to go while waiting for more realistic options to materialize

As far as wagonomics go, that’s pretty much trash science as far as I’m concerened. I’ve never had much use for it, especially in hybrid hammer games where it doesn’t matter anyway

No bueno amigo

I really don’t like the way you use the word “dangerous” here. I look at more like nobody is even playing, so what’s there to lose? May as well stir the pot - and look what happened lol

As far my being overly defensive, that’s fine if you think so. I look at as frustrating because a number of the points he’s made are factually incorrect, as I’ve pointed out. He’s ignored my points and continues to appeal to emotion with words like “disdain”, which makes me think he’s well aware of the level of apathy in the thread and keeps pushing his agenda out there with no push back. Maybe I’m wrong. We’ll see

You think SD is town? Why?

Regarding wagonomics, maybe it’s a conversation for post game when you can trust my words more but it’s a very strong skill set. Challenging the data interpretation is fine, challenging the small sample size I’d get, but disregarding it entirely is wild.

And yeah, dangerous. Reckless. A player as experienced as you knows better. I don’t even know how that’s something you felt the need to respond to, in a scenario with wolf!darthe and town!DPR you’d know the wolf doesn’t care about the vote since it takes the whole village at this point.

To the last thing, Heavy is wrong constantly and (largely) being given a pass for it, my comments the last page notwithstanding. My point here being that sussing a person who’s wrong about you is natural, and could be a wolf-tell, but doesn’t have to. I’m more interested in that second half. The consistent AtE I haven’t noticed as egregious or overly pointed, it’s flavor for how he types. Are you seeing some coordinated effort there to discredit you? If so I don’t think it’s been effective, you’re pretty highly regarded in the thread, so what would be the point?

Darthe · May 18

13 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Love the OMGUS energy, really should get the thread bouncing.

So you are doubling down on the point my "case" against you is too refined for a poor player like me to have come up with? That almost sounds like deflection.

Also I will happily admit I have no idea what a chainsaw defense is. Does anyone else? Would it be reasonable to think anyone should understand it? For all I know it is a common mafia term, googling it just comes up with fairly worrying hits about chainsaws being used for home protection and self defense, which I'm pretty sure they are not meant for.

Your response seems totally out of proportion.

Accusing me of deflecting immediately after that first line is classic projection.

Regarding your case against me, I’ve yet to see one. More importantly, I’ve yet to see a legitimate response to any points made against you. Deflect if you want, but I’m gonna try to get you lynched if you throw out points at a skill level that you can’t match when asked for accountability on those same points.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 18

8 minutes ago, Darthe said:

To the last thing, Heavy is wrong constantly and (largely) being given a pass for it,

So rude, lol.

*fake gasp and clutches pearls*

Darthe · May 18

11 minutes ago, DPR said:

I gotta say, the coaching comment was interesting. That’s a nice way to try and steal someone’s credibility and confidence.

That’s something I would do if I wanted to be nasty lol

I think you’re town but this reads like you know their alignment. Not even a thought to whether the points against them have validity. -1 town point

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 18

1 minute ago, Darthe said:

Accusing me of deflecting immediately after that first line is classic projection.

Regarding your case against me, I’ve yet to see one. More importantly, I’ve yet to see a legitimate response to any points made against you. Deflect if you want, but I’m gonna try to get you lynched if you throw out points at a skill level that you can’t match when asked for accountability on those same points.

Not gonna lie this sounds desperate. Really tone-wise nothing like your normal posts, and the threatening at the end? Sure, you do you, boo.

DPR · May 18

2 minutes ago, Darthe said:

I think you’re town but this reads like you know their alignment. Not even a thought to whether the points against them have validity. -1 town point

Seriously asking - how distracted are you right now?

Darthe · May 18

^ there’s the coaching at play, gg Heavy. Happy to hydra with you and get you there as town in a future game dude.

vote: heavy

Darthe · May 18

1 minute ago, DPR said:

Seriously asking - how distracted are you right now?

I don’t get the implication here, but not horribly. I’m happy to get to burst out some activity, and I’m not working today which is a relief. Like, we’re out with the grandparents but it’s going fairly smooth.

Ithillian Turambar · May 18

Official Vote Count

SD - 1 (Dice)

DPR - 1 (Turin)

Darthe - 2 (DPR, Heavy)

Heavy - 1 (Darthe)

Not Voting (3): Tig, Eddie, SD

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Day 2 Deadline

Ithillian Turambar · May 18

So I have to go to bed now, cos gotta be up super early for in the office day tomorrow.

So try keep an eye on those votes if Key gets busy and so on.

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