S3E6 - The Shadow in the Night

[Mailman]

4 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Right. I’m sure that sleep is super important to the immortal bound to an eternal prison. Does he need 3 square meals a day as well?

Sure that joke is all you took out of that post.

[Elder_Haman]

2 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Sure that joke is all you took out of that post.

Because your point has no validity. Ishy is in people’s dreams from the beginning of the series. 

[Mailman]

7 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

How did he find his way into Mat’s dreams?

Mat was under Liandrins watch and then actually with him.

 

In the books i'm fairly sure it was through the dark ones minions locating them, specifically Fain in the beginning that led to him entering the dreams.

[The_Watcher_And_Wanderer]

On 4/3/2025 at 11:20 PM, Irvyne said:

On the Amazon app, he's just listed as "Mat's Admirer."

I'm gonna guess the answer is no.

Juilin's hat was a fez.

I always pictured a fez too, but it would be far from the first time these writers interpretation has differed from mine 🤷🤣

[The_Watcher_And_Wanderer]

16 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Yes they would but you specifically linked it back to the book in your post as evidence that it could be him.

Thom is also important to the Tanchico storyline in the books but they have changed several things about him including how they met him and how he got to Tanchico.   Keep in mind that in the show Thom was also a random guy they met in a bar. Incidently I also referred back to the books to figure out who he was before they named him. 

Edited April 6 by The_Watcher_And_Wanderer

[Mailman]

1 minute ago, The_Watcher_And_Wanderer said:

Thom is also important to the Tanchico storyline in the books but they have changed several things about him including how they met him and how he got to Tanchico.   Keep in mind that in the show Thom was also a random guy they met in a bar. Incidently I also referred back to the books to figure out who he was before they named him. 

What? How does that address the fact you referenced the book in your post about Sandar. I addressed a point you made using the book as a reason for it being Sandar with book points and you have now addressed that with show points?

 

 

[The_Watcher_And_Wanderer]

9 minutes ago, Mailman said:

What? How does that address the fact you referenced the book in your post about Sandar. I addressed a point you made using the book as a reason for it being Sandar with book points and you have now addressed that with show points?

 

 

The show is based on the books so I use the books to make guesses about the show. Its not a hard concept and I don’t understand why it’s an issue for you. What other reference would I use?

Edited April 6 by The_Watcher_And_Wanderer

[Mailman]

3 minutes ago, The_Watcher_And_Wanderer said:

The show is based on the books so I use the books to make guesses about the show. Its not a hard concept and I don’t understand why it’s an issue for you. What other reference would I use?

[Elder_Haman]

33 minutes ago, Mailman said:

In the books i'm fairly sure it was through the dark ones minions locating them,

Find me any reference to this in the books. You could be right, but I don’t think so. 

[Mailman]

2 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Find me any reference to this in the books. You could be right, but I don’t think so. 

The whitebridge merchant in 4 kings. The nights preceding Ba'alzamon was searching for them in the dream then that night he is able to talk to them in the room. He says that Gode has located them for him.

 

In the 2 rivers it is not until Fain visits the town that they start to have the dreams, If he had known that it was those 3 while Fain travelled surely he would have dream walked to them before Fain got there.

[Mirefox]

41 minutes ago, The_Watcher_And_Wanderer said:

I always pictured a fez too, but it would be far from the first time these writers interpretation has differed from mine 🤷🤣

You mean you didn’t picture Min in a Hillary Clinton pantsuit?

[Elder_Haman]

2 minutes ago, Mailman said:

The whitebridge merchant in 4 kings. The nights preceding Ba'alzamon was searching for them in the dream then that night he is able to talk to them in the room. He says that Gode has located them for him.

 

In the 2 rivers it is not until Fain visits the town that they start to have the dreams, If he had known that it was those 3 while Fain travelled surely he would have dream walked to them before Fain got there.

So you have circumstantial evidence at best. Nothing textual. 

[The_Watcher_And_Wanderer]

15 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Can’t prove your point so you get mad and throw a hissy fit? 
 

well, that’s the internet for you🤷

Edited April 6 by The_Watcher_And_Wanderer

[Mailman]

Just now, Elder_Haman said:

So you have circumstantial evidence at best. Nothing textual. 

So you are saying despite him knowing that it was one of 3 while Fain travelled back to the 2 rivers from Shayol Gull he decided not to invade their dreams and start pushing them towards the dark?

[The_Watcher_And_Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

You mean you didn’t picture Min in a Hillary Clinton pantsuit?

Not so much, never envisioned sensitive guy Lan either but here we are 🤣

[Elder_Haman]

3 minutes ago, Mailman said:

So you are saying despite him knowing that it was one of 3 while Fain travelled back to the 2 rivers from Shayol Gull he decided not to invade their dreams and start pushing them towards the dark?

I’m saying there is nothing in the text that says Ishy couldn’t manifest in Liandrin’s dreams the way he did Rand, Mat and Perrin’s. 
 

In fact, the text rather clearly suggests he could. 

[bringbackthomsmoustache]

Regarding the random nature of finding the bracelet from a random guy met in a bar.  Specifically this was a random guy Mat met in a bar - in the books in Ebou Dar they find the bowl of winds purely due to Mat's random selection of an inn to stay at.  Random is how his nature as a ta'veren manifests.  If he had been pushed off the dock when arriving in the city it would be fine for him to come up clutching the bracelet.  

Edited April 8 by bringbackthomsmoustache

[Mailman]

Just now, The_Watcher_And_Wanderer said:

Can’t prove your point so you get mad and throw a hissy fit? 
 

well, that’s the internet for you🤷

LOL No.

 

You post answered a question that my post in no way asked. You used book information to back your theory I then answered with book information about that point that i thought relevant, you then switched the whole argument to show points.

 

If you want to call mad and having a hissy fit then go ahead but the GiF was more about my frustration dealing with this line of foolish questioning.

[Mirefox]

Just now, bringbackthomsmoustache said:

Regarding the random nature of finding the bracelet from a random guy met in a bar.  Specifically this was a random guy Mat met in a bar - in the books in Ebou Dar they find the bowl of winds purely due to Mat's random selection of an inn to stay at.  Random is how his nature as a ta'veren manifests.  If he had been pushed of the dock when arriving in the city it would be fine for him to come up clutching the bracelet.  

Yeah, I didn’t mind this bit of randomness, but it’s because I have context from the book to know that Mat is supernaturally lucky.  I think they should have highlighted this a bit more in the show.

[Mailman]

Everyone keeps referencing Mat being supernaturally lucky in the show, I am struggling to think of clear examples of when the show has shown this to actually be the case.

 

[The_Watcher_And_Wanderer]

11 minutes ago, Mailman said:

LOL No.

 

You post answered a question that my post in no way asked. You used book information to back your theory I then answered with book information about that point that i thought relevant, you then switched the whole argument to show points.

 

If you want to call mad and having a hissy fit then go ahead but the GiF was more about my frustration dealing with this line of foolish questioning.

So what did your post ask? 

[Mailman]

2 minutes ago, The_Watcher_And_Wanderer said:

So what did your post ask? 

 

I'm done with this go and reread this line of posts yourself.

[Mirefox]

17 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Everyone keeps referencing Mat being supernaturally lucky in the show, I am struggling to think of clear examples of when the show has shown this to actually be the case.

 

They don’t.  Just in this instance.  I’m with you, they need to show it more and actually point it out.

[The_Watcher_And_Wanderer]

13 minutes ago, Mailman said:

 

I'm done with this go and reread this line of posts yourself.

Ok, I don’t see where you asked any question that I didn’t answer. I’m just trying to clarify my points and understand yours a little better, but if you wish this conversation to be over then so be it🤷

[The_Watcher_And_Wanderer]

13 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

They don’t.  Just in this instance.  I’m with you, they need to show it more and actually point it out.

They haven’t really had a chance yet. In the books Mat’s luck began to manifest in TDR, but since they skipped that book there really hasn’t been an opportunity to show mats luck. Perhaps it starts with the bracelet.