Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:19 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

@Zander?

 

I had seph as a scum lean since early-ish D1, so I'm sticking with my gun there.  I didn't have a super lean on Gud either way, but based on DPR's read and her reactions today, she's gotta be #2 for me.  That leaves Dice as 3rd based on POE.  Without Gud's recent posts, I would have had her and Dice tied, but her posts feel different now.

 

Townie

Dice

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ok thanks I have comments but Imma save them till the rest do this as well.

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:20 PM, Gudrean said:

not false

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Not false would mean it's true lololololol

[Verbal32]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:20 PM, Zander? said:

 

ok thanks I have comments but Imma save them till the rest do this as well.

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k

 

We clearly disagree re: seph, so I'd really like to know why I'm wrong on him.

[Gudrean]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:16 PM, Zander? said:

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:14 PM, Gudrean said:

If he's been in my pocket it sure hasn't felt like it.

Talking about his cutesy things he does every game is the distraction.

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Well fine then no more cutesy or pocketsies ever again!!!!!

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💔😭😟  Bold was me saying Verb talking about these things because he asked me what the distraction was that he posted.

[Ithillian Turambar]

You should know that I finish work in 8 minutes and I'm gonna sit and enjoy the TV show.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:22 PM, Gudrean said:

💔😭😟  Bold was me saying Verb talking about these things because he asked me what the distraction was that he posted.

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I'm not sure you paid attention to what I was saying - it was in reference to me not putting a ton of stock in what Zander says about you early on.

[Gudrean]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:23 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

I'm not sure you paid attention to what I was saying - it was in reference to me not putting a ton of stock in what Zander says about you early on.

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Ok, thx for the clarification 😃 

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:22 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

You should know that I finish work in 8 minutes and I'm gonna sit and enjoy the TV show.

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IT'S SOOOOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!!  Even tho the main character of the episode isn't one of my favorite characters in the Books and they make big changes to the story, the main scene/premise of the episode is one of my favorite parts of the Books!!!!!!!

[Gudrean]

Town

 

Seph

Verb/Dice

 

Wolf

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:22 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

k

 

We clearly disagree re: seph, so I'd really like to know why I'm wrong on him.

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I was more sure before I knew there was 2 Wolf teams especially irt his Darthe love/read lololololol.  I've commented at times he's felt like pocketing me but also I remember Seph being wild and like all over the place isn't the right description I just can't think of a better way to describe it.  He got mislunched alot back in the day if that kinda helps explain it too.   He saw alot of what I saw too and ofc coulda been sleeping as a Wolf but like Key did too but both had a few spots that were the exact opposite of me too.   I've also just felt worse about most everyone else at points then him.  Like I'm not 100% of this but I'm not sure if I could lunch him at all today lol FML 

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:25 PM, Zander? said:

 

IT'S SOOOOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!!  Even tho the main character of the episode isn't one of my favorite characters in the Books and they make big changes to the story, the main scene/premise of the episode is one of my favorite parts of the Books!!!!!!!

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It literally kicked me in the feels and something that's never happens to me before happened.... my eyes started watering a bit like when you get something in them except there was nothing in them and I'm still trying to figure what happened there.....

[Verbal32]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:30 PM, Zander? said:

 

I was more sure before I knew there was 2 Wolf teams especially irt his Darthe love/read lololololol.  I've commented at times he's felt like pocketing me but also I remember Seph being wild and like all over the place isn't the right description I just can't think of a better way to describe it.  He got mislunched alot back in the day if that kinda helps explain it too.   He saw alot of what I saw too and ofc coulda been sleeping as a Wolf but like Key did too but both had a few spots that were the exact opposite of me too.   I've also just felt worse about most everyone else at points then him.  Like I'm not 100% of this but I'm not sure if I could lunch him at all today lol FML 

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So it's less technical and more "feels"?

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:27 PM, Gudrean said:

Town

 

Seph

Verb/Dice

 

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So you're not buying Verbs claim or just not believing he's Town because of it even tho the one mod confirmed player is saying setup wise would be insane?

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:34 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

So it's less technical and more "feels"?

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100%

 

97% of my takes are feels/gut/Meta.  I'm also working with 5-10 year old Meta I'm trying to remember but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering his meta correctly it's just a matter of if he changed or mimicked or actually just is Town lol

 

[Gudrean]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:35 PM, Zander? said:

 

So you're not buying Verbs claim or just not believing he's Town because of it even tho the one mod confirmed player is saying setup wise would be insane?

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His recent posts have helped me feel better about his position which is why he's first with Dice 2nd. 

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:38 PM, Gudrean said:

His recent posts have helped me feel better about his position which is why he's first with Dice 2nd. 

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But there's 2 Wolves left so.....whose the Wolves if not Verb or Seph lololololol

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:39 PM, Zander? said:

 

But there's 2 Wolves left so.....whose the Wolves if not Verb or Seph lololololol

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You don't have to answer lol. I know what you meant/will answer I just thought it was funny to say lololololol 

[Zander?]

@seph

@dicetosser1

 

Thoughts on Verbs claim and my thought process on setup based off of that?

[Zander?]

I gotta head out for a bit.  Shouldn't be real long and I'll try to check in if it's possible.  But really would like everyone do to those 2 things I asked if you haven't already and tag me.  Those things are the ones I tagged you in and please tag me in your responses please.  If anyone wants to be a Saint and go back.and find any and all Darthe and Hallia reads posts that would be sweet.  I know Imma have to still prolly power read the whole thread tho...sadface gif.

 

@everyone

 

Is there a way to read the thread but removing a certain person or persons posts.  I know there used to be.  If so please also tell me how.

[Gudrean]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:41 PM, Zander? said:

 

You don't have to answer lol. I know what you meant/will answer I just thought it was funny to say lololololol 

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Isn't it possible CassTurin was a wolf and so there's only 1 wolf left?

[Zander?]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:50 PM, Gudrean said:

Isn't it possible CassTurin was a wolf and so there's only 1 wolf left?

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Yes but very unlikely with the double roles with a X1 modifier makes it more believable IMHO.  Also that would have killed a Mafia team and (I'm not sure about this having to happen here). But usually when a team is fully dead/eliminated it's said in the write up if a multi team game(yes I know just a Town vs 1 Wolf team would be multi but I mean more then that lol)

[Ithillian Turambar]

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[Ithillian Turambar]

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[seph]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:44 PM, Zander? said:

@seph

@dicetosser1

 

Thoughts on Verbs claim and my thought process on setup based off of that?

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I have literally jus been waiting for verb to join us and for people to get some thoughts out today and I come back to this.... I am kind of at a loss here because I was already viewing Verb as a wolf after re-reading last night. His gameplay was much slower than the last one here on DM I readthrough, by page 8 I could easily see him trying to solve the game. He was much more poke here/poke there but if he is a neighbor it makes sense that he was typing in chat. What doesn't make sense is for either to leave breadcrumbs about each other. I don't think they talked about each other's alignment at all which is worrisome, but you pointed that out already. I am sketched out by this and the fact the arsenal town has compared to the known wolf teams seems outmatched.

 Look at how powerful town has been.
IC, Doctor with a vig??? , Watcher, neighbor x1 role block, cop(if you believe Turin) and you really think that we have town neighbors both with extra abilities??? 
Look at the mafia roles we have had so far. A messenger( which I don't see the usefulness of this game) and a vote stealer. I am by no means versed enough to be able to game this game but adding another T neighbor to this mix seems overkill.

Here are my posts I saved that Had me worried before the claim.

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  On 4/4/2025 at 6:57 PM, Darthe said:

Fwiw I’m still against a Turin lynch.  Will be on the road at DL I think.

 

Cass is good, DPR is ok but hurts my heart, verb is really stinking this thread up but too late to pivot to.

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The back and fourth between the two at EOD on day 1 had me feeling like this could be wolf distancing

  On 4/4/2025 at 7:02 PM, Verbal32 said:

Like, "drive by" shading ain't gonna cut it.

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  On 4/4/2025 at 7:52 PM, Verbal32 said:

I think I can be around for EOD.  I'd rather not have random.org decide the lynch - 'wagonomics' works best when the players direct a specific lynch.

 

I started the day with 2 light scum reads (admittedly based off 1 post each), and added a sus on Turin based on his post I already mentioned previously.

 

Cass was in my middle pile of players I didn't have a definitive read on yet - I'm less comfortable going there, especially considering the other 2 players I am sus on are on that train.

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This was one of my biggest reasons to sus verb, He said he would be here, he was, he didn't move the vote.

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:09 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Darthe & seph

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He comments on us but only really ever comes at me/interacts with me besides the few interactions posted.

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:23 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

It was his recap of Key's first casing post.  He specifically mentioned "nodding along with her points", which is just something that always stuck with me as a scumtell.  I've seen it come true more often than not.

 

That said, it was one comment in one post.  Other than that, null.  So not worth me starting a train on, just something I'm sus of.

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The post he said might not matter after the Key flip.

  On 4/4/2025 at 4:13 PM, Darthe said:

These last two pages are awesome content but I don’t have time for all of em.  The biggest one is verb just threw out the most skeevy vote of the whole game.  We need to not lynch Turin yet guys. Slow it down.

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Once again darthe banter. This mixed with my other feelings make me feel pretty certain we do not have a T/T neighbor and a W/T neighbor. He got called out by Gud, and then claims he was planning on claiming. Imo it needs to be one of your first posts if you plan on claiming and because of the claim after being asked I view it in a more negative light.

Verb came in saying his only wolf read of me was because of a key post and that he might need to reassess, the only thing he did was double down without an actual reason for his placement and moves me to the bottom of the wtl lol.
I am sorry, I am not getting the same vibe from this, or him as you.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/10/2025 at 4:05 PM, seph said:

Verb came in saying his only wolf read of me was because of a key post and that he might need to reassess, the only thing he did was double down without an actual reason for his placement and moves me to the bottom of the wtl lol.
I am sorry, I am not getting the same vibe from this, or him as you.

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If we're being fair, I've had that read on you since D1 and did not waver.  Reassessment is of course something to do if further info pops up.  For example, had Key flipped scum, I would have thought differently on your post.  Your post looked like pocketing, I wouldn't have thought that if Key was scum.  Of course, with 2 mafia teams I might have still sussed it.....but you know what I mean.

 

That said, I disagree with "doubling down without an actual reason".  I already gave my reason.  I had 1 reason on Lenlo last game, and I was right.  I did this whole thing postgame about 'better to be right and lose'.  If I lose and you are scum, I'm happy.

 

Like, I've literally had you and Darthe in my WTL since earlier on D1 and somehow I'm moving you to the bottom?  Broski, you've been at the bottom this whole time.