Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

[Zander?]

By Day 3 I think it was 1 Town vs 4 Wolves and was 1 v2 v2.  With NK and me having no kill or protect I literally have 0 chance/ways to Win had Seph not been a horrible cowardly frand (LOLOLOLOL). We had a chance at least as it would been 2 v2 v1 if I recall correctly and Seph was Survivor originally because they can typically win with the winning team if they're alive at end game.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I did check and I did put a balance disclaimer in the sign up thread and explained this was more to give an example of a closed set up Themed Game with roles.

 

And that it might be technically balanced but maybe not and who knows lol.

 

 

[Gudrean]

  On 4/14/2025 at 8:59 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Yeah it's a shame Eliza was killed cos she had the ability to try and build a strong town core

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how would this work Ithi? I mean like what were her abilities? trying to learn for future games

[Ithillian Turambar]

She was a modified Town Informant and she had 3 x alignment checks. 

 

So she had a standard letter that was sent that said even after the British are defeated our country may still be divided. To hint to Town of the 2 teams.

 

And she could add 10 words to her letters. So she could choose to give the player name etc. Aka Turcass

 

If she sent her letter to a Town. Awesome. The letters come from the Town Informant and a core starts to build.

 

Send them to a Mafia however and her cover is blown and she is dead 

 

It was very much a double edged sword.

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[Gudrean]

Did she get a chance to use it at all?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Does no-one read the spreadsheet?

 

Once

 

To key

 

Hence that whole set up convo on D2

 

Anyways moving on now.

 

New games!

[Verbal32]

 

  On 4/14/2025 at 8:45 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I NEVER faked or softed anything other than Washington. It was strictly a towncentric strategy to put pressure on the mafia. It actually worked too. Except no other townies were willing to look at what people said. Even after I posted it and got killed for it. 

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I don't agree with the "rule" you have to erase your thoughts when you replace. I do accept what happened because there was a rule. I don't really see why it's a rule but there you go. Jokes on me. Lol

 

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YOU meant it as a town-centric strategy, but it could be interpreted many different ways as people didn't know your alignment.  You were insistent that it was "townie", but that was your POV....and nobody else's.

 

And it didn't work.  If I saw you being taken seriously, I would have answered normally.  I saw people casting shade on you, and decided to not play along.  It's not a strat that would work, honestly, unless there was an actual LD.  And due to their not being one, Zander is correct in accusing you of WIFOMing the thread.

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 8:41 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I am interested to know though. You have explained why he was Lynched, but did you think that he was Mafia? 

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I just explained it why would a Villager Winfom the thread and fake claim when asked to stop repeatedly especially by a mod cleared played made no sense.  Plus his sus on me prior to reveal sketched me a bit it was like I've explained multiple times his refusal to stop, doubling down and fake claiming something I've seen literally in one game before and going on about theme and flavour after you announced in signups we didn't have to know the theme .  Seemed like purposefully WINFOMing and sowing Chaos which isn't Villagery and would likely stop if a Villager begin asked by multiple people including mid cleared IC.

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 9:28 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

 

YOU meant it as a town-centric strategy, but it could be interpreted many different ways as people didn't know your alignment.  You were insistent that it was "townie", but that was your POV....and nobody else's.

 

And it didn't work.  If I saw you being taken seriously, I would have answered normally.  I saw people casting shade on you, and decided to not play along.  It's not a strat that would work, honestly, unless there was an actual LD.  And due to their not being one, Zander is correct in accusing you of WIFOMing the thread.

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Thank you sir even tho you're a dirty Wolf lol.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I just spent effort in knocking this thread out from the top of the page lol

 

H8U verbal 💙

 

 

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 9:12 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Does no-one read the spreadsheet?

 

Once

 

To key

 

Hence that whole set up convo on D2

 

Anyways moving on now.

 

New games!

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I couldn't understand it but that's prolly just a me being dumb thing 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/14/2025 at 8:58 PM, Gudrean said:

nah darthe and I assumed since we have even NK there had to be either another wolf team or some 3rd party players but we still had to figure it out just like everyone else

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That is still TMI.  TMI is measured by a vanilla townie's POV.

[Zander?]

I was shocked I gave the setup to Chat AI GPt or whatever it's called for the winning % crazy 

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 8:58 PM, Gudrean said:

nah darthe and I assumed since we have even NK there had to be either another wolf team or some 3rd party players but we still had to figure it out just like everyone else

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You literally just proved my point of having Tmi because noone else on your team would know you could only NK on certain nighys

[Verbal32]

  On 4/14/2025 at 9:29 PM, Zander? said:

 

Thank you sir even tho you're a dirty Wolf lol.

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I knew you weren't going to vote with me on Gud that day.  Gud and seph were hyperactive and I simply can't keep up with that anymore.  It's why I'm also going back to retirement.  I don't have the energy to post enough, and then when players just drown the thread in WIM posts, I can't compete.

 

Thought I had you with me for a minute, but you waffled like 25 times that day, heh.

 

You played well.

[Ithillian Turambar]

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 9:35 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

I knew you weren't going to vote with me on Gud that day.  Gud and seph were hyperactive and I simply can't keep up with that anymore.  It's why I'm also going back to retirement.  I don't have the energy to post enough, and then when players just drown the thread in WIM posts, I can't compete.

 

Thought I had you with me for a minute, but you waffled like 25 times that day, heh.

 

You played well.

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I coulda okayed perfect and it not matter ATP LOLOLOLOLOL .  I'm retired after this Too brother.  See ya in the retirement home and maybe some specs lol

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 9:37 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

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[Ithillian Turambar]

Well you know, you didn't build the game Zander.

 

And you didn't read the spreadsheet that details everything.

 

But I did put everything into my chat gpt to test it and did NOT run a game that was impossible for Town to win.

 

Basically the Mafia played a good game and won. 

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 9:39 PM, Zander? said:

 

 

 

 

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I was amazed tho that before I mentioned what % difference that the above I forgot to mention, made it that Town had 30-40% Wolves 35-45 3rd party 10-15 by himself which blew my mind lolololol. But I read all the small stuff and there's a boatload of variables like players experience and stuff that can alter as well.  The results go down when I asked if game played 10 times and 100 times everything the same except different players each time but goes up wi to the same players obviously lol 

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 9:42 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Well you know, you didn't build the game Zander.

 

And you didn't read the spreadsheet that details everything.

 

But I did put everything into my chat gpt to test it and did NOT run a game that was impossible for Town to win.

 

Basically the Mafia played a good game and won. 

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I know.

I tried lol 

Ofc you didn't that's not what I said or it said.  11ers hardest game to balance regardless there's a million variables like I said the changes the percentages was what I was saying because I didn't think you didj anything wrong I just personally didn't see how we could win short of everything going perfectly until I asked Chat GPt and it explained all the variables I never even thought of lol

 

Completely agree even tho I hate them now lolololol 

[Ithillian Turambar]

But you know, I have put so much time and effort and care into trying to make fun games so that people could come back and hang out with friends.

 

I've supported people and encouraged them. I've been there for the melt downs and difficult decisions and I have done my absolute best.

 

But sure I'd run a game where it's a 95% chance that Mafia wins

 

Why would you think I'd do that.

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

Zander,  maybe just accept the town lost and move on. It could have gone lots of different ways. 

 

I imagine it was difficult to be in the situation where you couldn't win but had to keep going. It happens.  

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 9:48 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

But you know, I have put so much time and effort and care into trying to make fun games so that people could come back and hang out with friends.

 

I've supported people and encouraged them. I've been there for the melt downs and difficult decisions and I have done my absolute best.

 

But sure I'd run a game where it's a 95% chance that Mafia wins

 

Why would you think I'd do that.

 

 

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Are you not reading my posts?

 

If I thought that I'd have said so off top.  Read my posts first before you think I'm implying anything please. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ 

 

I said I ME ZANDER couldn't figure it out. So I asked and was amazed by the % and how so many different variable some small and big there were I never even accounted for.

[Zander?]

  On 4/14/2025 at 9:49 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Zander,  maybe just accept the town lost and move on. It could have gone lots of different ways. 

 

I imagine it was difficult to be in the situation where you couldn't win but had to keep going. It happens.  

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I have.  Read my posts I literally validate Ithis original percentage %. And showed how variables I didn't think off changed things and was why I couldn't originally make sense of it that and ofc in dumb AF lol