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Lenlo · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:25 PM, Zander? said:

TBF I feel more strongly about Dice but kinda feels like I've been off all game. I might just sleep Verb as I haven't read you town but like I'm not fully there yet tho will do for consolidation purposes to ensure no random

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Well there's no random atm, so no reason you can't try to sell Dice to Turin/Verb. I know Heavy/Gud wont move because I've "been mean" to them and I'm the only read they've had since D1.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:19 PM, Lenlo said:

I never said the bold, why are you finding it so consistently difficult to repeat what actually happened in the thread? How am I not supposed to find this blatant lying about events to be wolfy?

Yeah, what happened was I said "Bad joke bro" and then half the thread went "You think thats a bad joke? Why are you pushing him bro".

I'm asking why people aren't pressuring her/thinking about her at all. I never asked why people weren't voting her, that's obvious.

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I am summarising and paraphrasing to the best of my ability. My memory falls somewhere short of photographic.

But in your memory, it was not only Zander that was at fault but half the thread? Don't you think then that perhaps you came over stronger than you meant to? For so many people to react so?

You have repeatedly downplayed it as ancient history but it set the tone of D1, made many people suspicious of you and Zander, and meant that all of D1 was viewed through the eyes of our suspicion of you two. Adding in Verbals's attempts to appear a little bit wolfy to protect him from NK and the day was a complete mess, which is where still kind of are.

That is why for me it remains a very relevant occurrence for Town and it seems strange that you are pinning responsibility not just on town!Zander but also most other people in the game.

ReleaseTheEvil · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:28 PM, Zander? said:

You were but 100% not double standards or close to the same situation. Like not even same ballpark. People blatantly lied about what I said about them and threatened to not play again and I felt like I was ruining not only Ithis great game which is horrible enough but possibly DM becoming a real thing again and kinda popped my top. You weren't being accused of lies, not in the same position nor did you know you had the claim and made sure to use it first cause I was just gonna claim self vote and bail but when I saw the false accusations I lost it.

Not at all the same.

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ReleaseTheEvil · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:28 PM, Zander? said:

If the trains end tied at DL there will be.

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But they aren't tied now... So I don't get your point?

Lenlo · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:32 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I am summarising and paraphrasing to the best of my ability. My memory falls somewhere short of photographic.

But in your memory, it was not only Zander that was at fault but half the thread? Don't you think then that perhaps you came over stronger than you meant to? For so many people to react so?

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It's not just my memory, it's there in the posts, you can go read them yourself. To be frank? No, I don't think the initial comment of "Bad joke" was in any way an over reaction or coming off to strong. After that, when I didn't back down from Zander's crap? Sure, which is why I backed off later because we were going in circles and filling up the thread with random crap. Not to say "Anyone who continues this is wolfy" as you imply.

On 3/19/2025 at 3:32 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

You have repeatedly downplayed it as ancient history but it set the tone of D1, made many people suspicious of you and Zander, and meant that all of D1 was viewed through the eyes of our suspicion of you two. Adding in Verbals's attempts to appear a little bit wolfy to protect him from NK and the day was a complete mess, which is where still kind of are.

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Yeah, one of those many people being you. I am well aware of how many people are using a single interaction for their entire read of me this game, they are currently voting me.

On 3/19/2025 at 3:32 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

That is why for me it remains a very relevant occurrence for Town and it seems strange that you are pinning responsibility not just on town!Zander but also most other people in the game.

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I'm not? I was a participant in it, all I said was that Zander was the one to blow it up from "Bad joke bro" to "Why are you pushing me". You may not have realized this, but I really dont like it when people change what I say/make things up.

Zander? · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:29 PM, Lenlo said:

Well there's no random atm, so no reason you can't try to sell Dice to Turin/Verb. I know Heavy/Gud wont move because I've "been mean" to them and I'm the only read they've had since D1.

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I've said everything I.can about Dice. I'm not old Zander or it's definitely not my strongest Wolf read if all time so I'm not gonna start pulling down the thread about it lol. I think really both of you paint a pretty clearer picture of what worldview it is. Maybe not exactly but it does

Definitely more so then a Cairos any alignment flip. Or really any of your top 3 suspects which is what I find extra worrisome about you. Like if this was day 1 I don't have any real issues with your PoE and lunch candidate but it's not and this be wrong and game over if wrong today. So we need to lunch the person collectively we think is a Wolf that will also give us lots of info even if we're wrong on it.

Lenlo · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:36 PM, Zander? said:

I've said everything I.can about Dice. I'm not old Zander or it's definitely not my strongest Wolf read if all time so I'm not gonna start pulling down the thread about it lol. I think really both of you paint a pretty clearer picture of what worldview it is. Maybe not exactly but it does

Definitely more so then a Cairos any alignment flip. Or really any of your top 3 suspects which is what I find extra worrisome about you. Like if this was day 1 I don't have any real issues with your PoE and lunch candidate but it's not and this be wrong and game over if wrong today. So we need to lunch the person collectively we think is a Wolf that will also give us lots of info even if we're wrong on it.

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Ok so its game over if you're wrong today, but we also need to lynch the person who gives the move info even if we're wrong? Sounds like its not game over then, and you should lynch the person you think is scummiest.

Who do you think my PoE actually is? Because I only have 1 person in my top 3 that is "new", but apparently that's enough for you to discredit the entire thing. You should really consider actually looking at the other half of this game.

ReleaseTheEvil · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:36 PM, Zander? said:

I've said everything I.can about Dice. I'm not old Zander or it's definitely not my strongest Wolf read if all time so I'm not gonna start pulling down the thread about it lol. I think really both of you paint a pretty clearer picture of what worldview it is. Maybe not exactly but it does

Definitely more so then a Cairos any alignment flip. Or really any of your top 3 suspects which is what I find extra worrisome about you. Like if this was day 1 I don't have any real issues with your PoE and lunch candidate but it's not and this be wrong and game over if wrong today. So we need to lunch the person collectively we think is a Wolf that will also give us lots of info even if we're wrong on it.

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I can agree with most of this.

Zander when you post like this it's like you've handed your phone to someone else. It's so jarringly different from most of your other posts.

If you weren't confirmed town you'd be so suss hahaha

Lenlo · March 19

To answer before you do, my PoE is Heavy/Cairos/RTE, with Dice following up in 4th. The only "new" player in the last is Heavy, and you're claiming an RTE flip wouldn't give us any real information, so honestly it reads like you're just being really lazy here to be frank.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 19

Perhaps because you were involved you have a slightly different understanding of what was in the thread. The rest of us did not have your pov thoughts. But let's leave that there. It was a major incident and it certainly flavoured how I at least viewed all your other interactions. I was also very suspicious of how you dovetailed with RTE, for example.

But I ask again, is there anything I can do to ease your suspicions of me?

On 3/19/2025 at 3:35 PM, Lenlo said:

It's not just my memory, it's there in the posts, you can go read them yourself. To be frank? No, I don't think the initial comment of "Bad joke" was in any way an over reaction or coming off to strong. After that, when I didn't back down from Zander's crap? Sure, which is why I backed off later because we were going in circles and filling up the thread with random crap. Not to say "Anyone who continues this is wolfy" as you imply.

Yeah, one of those many people being you. I am well aware of how many people are using a single interaction for their entire read of me this game, they are currently voting me.

I'm not? I was a participant in it, all I said was that Zander was the one to blow it up from "Bad joke bro" to "Why are you pushing me". You may not have realized this, but I really dont like it when people change what I say/make things up.

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Zander? · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:39 PM, Lenlo said:

Ok so its game over if you're wrong today, but we also need to lynch the person who gives the move info even if we're wrong? Sounds like its not game over then, and you should lynch the person you think is scummiest.

Who do you think my PoE actually is? Because I only have 1 person in my top 3 that is "new", but apparently that's enough for you to discredit the entire thing. You should really consider actually looking at the other half of this game.

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No I'm saying we need to lunch a Wolf today. Because we then still have that 1 margin of error but if we were don't theb it's next wrong GG.

Again man we're playing an advanced game of guess who basically lol. Nobody's perfect all we can do is try. At least with Verb and I, if you are actually a Villager you know we at least believe/feel what were saying. If you're a villa and look like today's lunch coming on DL lay all your thoughts out clearly and I promise I'll reevaluate and dig into them....anyone it is even Gud if that's where you end up lol

Zander? · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:39 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I can agree with most of this.

Zander when you post like this it's like you've handed your phone to someone else. It's so jarringly different from most of your other posts.

If you weren't confirmed town you'd be so suss hahaha

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Once every so often the voices in my head take a collective smoke break and be quiet and I can access the like 1% functional part of my brain for a slightly coherent thought process LOLOLOLOLOL

Lenlo · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:43 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Perhaps because you were involved you have a slightly different understanding of what was in the thread. The rest of us did not have your pov thoughts. But let's leave that there. It was a major incident and it certainly flavoured how I at least viewed all your other interactions. I was also very suspicious of how you dovetailed with RTE, for example.

But I ask again, is there anything I can do to ease your suspicions of me?

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Try to actually case someone else? From my pov, you've been locked in on me/RTE for the weakest of reasons and havent actually put much effort into casing anyone else in the game, just riding other peoples reads. I'd like to see some actual casing/reasoning from you on someone new.

Sadly though, I dont see that doing much, because despite what you may think, my reasons for suspecting you are largely based on your late D1/N1 actions where you appeared to be setting up future lynches ahead of a flip

Lenlo · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:44 PM, Zander? said:

No I'm saying we need to lunch a Wolf today. Because we then still have that 1 margin of error but if we were don't theb it's next wrong GG.

Again man we're playing an advanced game of guess who basically lol. Nobody's perfect all we can do is try. At least with Verb and I, if you are actually a Villager you know we at least believe/feel what were saying. If you're a villa and look like today's lunch coming on DL lay all your thoughts out clearly and I promise I'll reevaluate and dig into them....anyone it is even Gud if that's where you end up lol

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Then it sounds like you should go with your wolfiest read. I'm going to be frank Zander, the only person who I think has an actual justifiable reason for voting me atm is Verb. The other two are entirely because I was "mean" to them and didn't let them coast by. Do you really think that's going to catch you a wolf? Because I think it's going to lose you the game when you go into D3 down one of your most active and invested players.

Zander? · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:33 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

But they aren't tied now... So I don't get your point?

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HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:46 PM, Lenlo said:

Try to actually case someone else? From my pov, you've been locked in on me/RTE for the weakest of reasons and havent actually put much effort into casing anyone else in the game, just riding other peoples reads. I'd like to see some actual casing/reasoning from you on someone new.

Sadly though, I dont see that doing much, because despite what you may think, my reasons for suspecting you are largely based on your late D1/N1 actions where you appeared to be setting up future lynches ahead of a flip

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Well that will be tricky. Outside of you and RTE, me voting would be a glorified game of pin the tail on the donkey. But probably less humorous and fun all round.

But to be clear your suspicions of me revolve around a player in his second game ever, first game randed wolf (in your eyes) , single handedly orchestrating D2 lynches on D1? Wow. And I thought you didn't like me. But don't you think that is a bit of a stretch, even for a player of my undoubted talents?

Verbal32 · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 2:17 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I also don't quite understand where the Lenlo train has come from. Is it because he's been mean to the noobs? When has he looked wolfy?

I think he levelled similar criticism to me against Zander early but has let that go ages ago, much before Zander's reveal. So why Lenlo for wolf?

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I think I've tossed out a couple reasons so far this game, and according to the man himself, I'm the only one with reasons he can accept as at least not coming from OMGUS (my interpretation).

On 3/19/2025 at 3:35 PM, Lenlo said:

Yeah, one of those many people being you. I am well aware of how many people are using a single interaction for their entire read of me this game, they are currently voting me.

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To be fair, sometimes all it takes it that one interaction. Scum sometimes only make one mistake, which would be the townie's only point against them.

Lenlo · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 4:03 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Well that will be tricky. Outside of you and RTE, me voting would be a glorified game of pin the tail on the donkey. But probably less humorous and fun all round.

But to be clear your suspicions of me revolve around a player in his second game ever, first game randed wolf (in your eyes) , single handedly orchestrating D2 lynches on D1? Wow. And I thought you didn't like me. But don't you think that is a bit of a stretch, even for a player of my undoubted talents?

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You're once again either missing the point of what I'm saying, or purposefully misrepresenting it

Lenlo · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 4:04 PM, Verbal32 said:

To be fair, sometimes all it takes it that one interaction. Scum sometimes only make one mistake, which would be the townie's only point against them.

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Sure, most of those are a bit more substantive than something I guarantee you I make regardless of alignment because I genuinely believe it to be a bad joke and that those traditions should die.

Verbal32 · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:42 PM, Lenlo said:

To answer before you do, my PoE is Heavy/Cairos/RTE, with Dice following up in 4th. The only "new" player in the last is Heavy, and you're claiming an RTE flip wouldn't give us any real information, so honestly it reads like you're just being really lazy here to be frank.

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So you've probably seen that both Zander and I are taking RTE off the table. If we are wrong, trust me - that will end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy in that we'd never make that mistake again and it wouldn't be possible to.

Heavy is partially in the same boat, but as a new player is getting a tiny bit of leeway in that maybe still scum? So let's say Heavy can stay in the POE for argument's sake.

Cairos is not very active, and we just don't have time to policy lynch based on activity.

So who else (maybe 2 more players?) would you be willing to add into the WTL for today, assuming Cairos and RTE are not allowed? Humor me, please.

Lenlo · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 4:03 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

But to be clear your suspicions of me revolve around a player in his second game ever, first game randed wolf (in your eyes) , single handedly orchestrating D2 lynches on D1? Wow. And I thought you didn't like me. But don't you think that is a bit of a stretch, even for a player of my undoubted talents?

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Like seriously, do you genuinely believe this is what I'm saying? After every other way I've tried to explain that the issue is with you attempting to setup lynches pre-flip, as if you knew what the result would be, and your following insistence of a team up between me/RTE despite the almost entirely one-way interactions and my continued OK of an RTE lynch? Do you not see, taking your hatred goggles for me off, how those actions can appear wolfy? How attempting to guide town based on information we don't yet have, and then following that up with incorrect information afterwards, appears bad? How many ways do I have to try and explain that before you understand what I'm saying and don't just completely misunderstand it?

I'm not even trying to push you with this, I'm genuinely trying to figure out what the disconnect is that you go from what I said to what you said.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:46 PM, Lenlo said:

... My reasons for suspecting you are largely based on your late D1/N1 actions where you appeared to be setting up future lynches ahead of a flip

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This is behaviour consistent with someone in their second game? I don't see that I was misrepresenting anything. I feel like you are trying to deflect the issue, that your suspicions of me are paper thin.

But of course I would think that. But in the interest of Town I'm trying to meet you halfway here.

Zander? · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 3:50 PM, Lenlo said:

Then it sounds like you should go with your wolfiest read. I'm going to be frank Zander, the only person who I think has an actual justifiable reason for voting me atm is Verb. The other two are entirely because I was "mean" to them and didn't let them coast by. Do you really think that's going to catch you a wolf? Because I think it's going to lose you the game when you go into D3 down one of your most active and invested players.

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Oh ya wait. Are you Frank and I'm Zander? Or am I frank and you Zander?!?!?!

Verbal32 · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 4:05 PM, Lenlo said:

Sure, most of those are a bit more substantive than something I guarantee you I make regardless of alignment because I genuinely believe it to be a bad joke and that those traditions should die.

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I was actually referencing the glee in which you tried to lynch me without seeming to remotely allow for a townie-making-a-mistake situation. Perhaps my initial push on you was due to what you're referencing, but it's how you went at me afterwards towards the end of D1 that gave me the scum read.

But that's not for now - please see my other recent post to you.

ReleaseTheEvil · March 19

On 3/19/2025 at 4:11 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

This is behaviour consistent with someone in their second game? I don't see that I was misrepresenting anything. I feel like you are trying to deflect the issue, that your suspicions of me are paper thin.

But of course I would think that. But in the interest of Town I'm trying to meet you halfway here.

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Like with Zander, I think you and Lenlo is just town on town violence with the wolves laughing...

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