The Stand Mafia [Advanced] - GAME OVER - TOWN AND NOTBOB WIN!

[Cory Caboose]

57 minutes ago, 鲍勃不是我的名字 said:

This only validates my thinking all along.  Need to kill one of the masons and damn quick.

 

Who's with me?

 

lol

[Cory Caboose]

5 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

Then it returns to Marsh so readily accepting the Ninja suggestion from Darthe. Ninja is a severly obscure role. While I know of it, I've never seen it actually put into a game.

 

I saw it in a game recently

*snickers*

[Gabriel Kross]

for the record that last point should be considered whether or not you consider the portion where I game the mod. What is Marsh supposed to be watching for if of the flipped mafia the only night action they had he couldn't see?

[Gabriel Kross]

Just now, Cory Caboose said:

 

I saw it in a game recently

*snickers*

the last point is one of the most condemning points tho

[DPR]

7 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

@DPR thoughts on my most recent post?

 

tl;dr

[Gabriel Kross]

@DPR as much as you hate my style, even you should be able to appreciate the last point of my argument on Marsh it goes by factual mod confirmed in thread information.

[Gabriel Kross]

Just now, DPR said:

 

tl;dr

 

2 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

for the record that last point should be considered whether or not you consider the portion where I game the mod. What is Marsh supposed to be watching for if of the flipped mafia the only night action they had he couldn't see?

@DPR then just read this part, this is the only bit that you'd give any credit to.

[Katiora]

1 minute ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

@DPR as much as you hate my style, even you should be able to appreciate the last point of my argument on Marsh it goes by factual mod confirmed in thread information.

Where?? 

 

Also, in your scenario why does marsh out himself at all in that situation ep? 

[DPR]

10 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

not at all. I think looking at aj was the proper mafia move if this had had standard roles like doc/cop AJ is generally known as a strong town player. He would likely draw the town attention during the night. the redirect was the key point to this. To figure out whether they caught the cop they needed to potentially sacrifice a member. At this point, Pengu was a goon which is the only reason I can think of for them burning execution day 1. if they had caught the cop, someone would have gone headfirst after Pengu AND would have shown up on Marsh's read list. Ironically, the first part did happen the second part not so much. This left the team scrambling. Pengu then distances from Marsh pretty hard and Leelou 180s her read on Pengu suddenly after I backed Pengu into a corner. Makes Leelou look less mafia and pulls Marsh out of the limelight forcing all attention on to Pengu. Pengu was a diversionary tactic that they set up to buy time.

Then it returns to Marsh so readily accepting the Ninja suggestion from Darthe. Ninja is a severly obscure role. While I know of it, I've never seen it actually put into a game.

Then there is a bit of gaming the mod. It's a low blow I know, but the information was given to me freely.
I complained about my role becoming useless when I confirmed that my role would only work on cop views. I was told that multiple roles became useless after Hallia's death. I suspect bus driver was one, and watcher the other. This brings me to the biggest tell of all that Marsh is mafia, he said he asked whether he would see bus driver's targets and claimed Songstress was evasive. Now, that did not match up with the interactions I had with Songstress, so here is completely lying.

Back to why watcher becomes useless w/o Hallia's role. The only Night action flip we've seen from mafia is bus driver. Sure we know there is a kill, but there is always a kill. Marsh already made the slip that he can't see the bus driver during his reveal. So the odds that Town has a watcher ONLY to watch for the kill is completely bizarre. the odds of catching the kill in a game like this is nearly impossible. It is more likely that it was mafia watcher as a counterpoint to town mechanics.

 

So either Marsh lied completely about being a Watcher or the role belongs to the Mafia team and Marsh is mafia.

 

1. Ninja was just used in the last game. It's fresh on everyone's mind. It's a great role to bring up if you want to claim Watcher and not have to produce results. 

 

2. We do have a dead Bus Driver and you have claimed that you are basically the Cop, so in that light a Town Watcher does make sense.

 

3. You are focused way to much on 1 player. Read the Krak posts I posted the link for and see what you see. Look at what NB is posting. As long as we look at the game from a big perspective and don't go diving into rabbit holes, we'll have this thing wrapped up in no time. 

[Gabriel Kross]

1 minute ago, Katiora said:

Where?? 

 

Also, in your scenario why does marsh out himself at all in that situation ep? 

town cred. used to be a valid strategy atleast for NAI roles.

 

The factual mod revealed information in thread is all the flips. Town flips were mostly night actions. Mafia had 1 single night action. We know who Leelou bussed night 1 AJ and Pengu, we also know by Marsh's own words that he did not see the bus. SO unless you can sell me on the idea that Marsh is town and was put in this game ONLY to find the killer, then he is 100% mafia as the roles for the mafia team don't align with the town needing a watcher.

[DPR]

1 hour ago, 鲍勃不是我的名字 said:

This only validates my thinking all along.  Need to kill one of the masons and damn quick.

 

Who's with me?

 

You just watched me burn through over 24 hrs going back and forth with Ape over crap like this - you're looking at the last 8 players with roles we've seen flipped, and you come up with this? 

 

Even as a "trap" this is beneath you - pull it together man.   

[Gabriel Kross]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

1. Ninja was just used in the last game. It's fresh on everyone's mind. It's a great role to bring up if you want to claim Watcher and not have to produce results. 

 

2. We do have a dead Bus Driver and you have claimed that you are basically the Cop, so in that light a Town Watcher does make sense.

 

3. You are focused way to much on 1 player. Read the Krak posts I posted the link for and see what you see. Look at what NB is posting. As long as we look at the game from a big perspective and don't go diving into rabbit holes, we'll have this thing wrapped up in no time. 

1. but that is mafia logic.

 

2. but from Marsh's own words he can't see the bus driver's actions. so no, town watcher is not an acceptable role this game if that is your only counter argument for it.

 

Go with my gut just this once. If I'm wrong I'll make you effectively a double voter the rest of the game.

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

town cred. used to be a valid strategy atleast for NAI roles.

 

The factual mod revealed information in thread is all the flips. Town flips were mostly night actions. Mafia had 1 single night action. We know who Leelou bussed night 1 AJ and Pengu, we also know by Marsh's own words that he did not see the bus. SO unless you can sell me on the idea that Marsh is town and was put in this game ONLY to find the killer, then he is 100% mafia as the roles for the mafia team don't align with the town needing a watcher.

 

Serious now - and I'm not saying this to support Marsh but instead to get you to open your mind a bit - The OP describes that roles may not be balanced and we've got an Oracle and a Prophet of God. 

 

You already based decisions on Ninja being an obscure role when it was just used.

 

Slow your roll there cowboy and take a deep breath. You keep posting so much stuff and I was only half kidding about the tl:dr. 

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

1. but that is mafia logic.

 

2. but from Marsh's own words he can't see the bus driver's actions. so no, town watcher is not an acceptable role this game if that is your only counter argument for it.

 

Go with my gut just this once. If I'm wrong I'll make you effectively a double voter the rest of the game.

 

1. wut?

 

2. So what? You've made your point - it's on the evidence table. We'll all look at it and if everyone decides that's the way to go, he'll swing tomorrow. You've done all you need to do here.

 

LOL - you ask folks to do that all the time. But it was just D1 when you were willing to die to protect Marsh, so that does kind of lessen the quality of the oath. And the Masons are already "effectively double voters" unless you 're drinking some of NB's Koolaid. 

[DPR]

@Katiora do you have anything else you've noticed or have any hunches? 

[Gabriel Kross]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

1. wut?

 

2. So what? You've made your point - it's on the evidence table. We'll all look at it and if everyone decides that's the way to go, he'll swing tomorrow. You've done all you need to do here.

 

LOL - you ask folks to do that all the time. But it was just D1 when you were willing to die to protect Marsh, so that does kind of lessen the quality of the oath. And the Masons are already "effectively double voters" unless you 're drinking some of NB's Koolaid. 

no, it was D2 and I was willing to die to prove that Pengu was mafia. Marsh badwaggoned the sentiment, because he knew I was right. If I have to go back and quote it for proof I will.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

25 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

You just watched me burn through over 24 hrs going back and forth with Ape over crap like this - you're looking at the last 8 players with roles we've seen flipped, and you come up with this? 

 

Even as a "trap" this is beneath you - pull it together man.   

 

You scared?

[Gabriel Kross]

On 7/6/2018 at 1:28 PM, Ironeyes said:

Well then. Vote Penguin

 

On 7/6/2018 at 2:02 PM, Cory Caboose said:

i am not in favor of a penguin lynch

 

On 7/6/2018 at 2:06 PM, Eternal Phoenix said:

but I gurantee he is mafia, and I will vote nowhere else until he is gone.

 

On 7/6/2018 at 2:12 PM, Cory Caboose said:

 

how guaranteed is guaranteed

 

i hear lots of "guarantees"

 

On 7/6/2018 at 2:13 PM, Eternal Phoenix said:

I'm willing to die for it.

 

On 7/6/2018 at 2:14 PM, Eternal Phoenix said:

I am not in favor of a Marsh lynch right now.

 

On 7/6/2018 at 2:36 PM, Cory Caboose said:

Penguin's still on my nullish list and I could totally be wrong with where my head is right now so I'm willing to have a conversation about Penguins for sure

 

On 7/6/2018 at 2:36 PM, Eternal Phoenix said:

or you could just follow my lead and kill pengu now and kill me tonight/tomorrow if I'm wrong.

 

On 7/6/2018 at 2:37 PM, Eternal Phoenix said:

like I said I will stake my life on this. 

 

On 7/6/2018 at 2:42 PM, DPR said:

 

Wut

 

Are we talking about the same DPR?  

 

 

YES

 

 

You've mentioned this several times now - is there something you'd like to share with the class or have you just been huffing whippets again? 

proof that it was never about defending Marsh, it was about killing the one I was SURE was mafia. I didn't have enough of a read yet on Marsh to be sure of him on either side. I quoted the vote Marsh put on Pengu because of the way it looks he votes Pengu only because he noticed Pengu was close to death.

[Gabriel Kross]

and I quoted your post because at the time you appeared to understand what point I was staking my life on Pengu being mafia.

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

proof that it was never about defending Marsh, it was about killing the one I was SURE was mafia. I didn't have enough of a read yet on Marsh to be sure of him on either side. I quoted the vote Marsh put on Pengu because of the way it looks he votes Pengu only because he noticed Pengu was close to death.

 

So much drama - and you are wrong enough for it to neutralize your other reads. Am I making sense with all of this? I'm just saying that The Academy won't be voting on Best Drama over this, so you could probably chill a bit and get a lot more attention on your reads. 

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

and I quoted your post because at the time you appeared to understand what point I was staking my life on Pengu being mafia.

 

I understood the suspicion, to a degree. I don't ever understand anyone taking such a strong read so early in the game without a peek.

[DPR]

5 minutes ago, 鲍勃不是我的名字 said:

 

You scared?

 

Yes. But it's because you most likely have a driver's license and if the above is really what you see, then we should all be scared. 

 

 

[Gabriel Kross]

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

I understood the suspicion, to a degree. I don't ever understand anyone taking such a strong read so early in the game without a peek.

no one said I didn't. then again, no one said I did. Like I said take it as you will.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

55 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

not at all. I think looking at aj was the proper mafia move if this had had standard roles like doc/cop AJ is generally known as a strong town player. He would likely draw the town attention during the night. the redirect was the key point to this. To figure out whether they caught the cop they needed to potentially sacrifice a member. At this point, Pengu was a goon which is the only reason I can think of for them burning execution day 1. if they had caught the cop, someone would have gone headfirst after Pengu AND would have shown up on Marsh's read list. Ironically, the first part did happen the second part not so much. This left the team scrambling. Pengu then distances from Marsh pretty hard and Leelou 180s her read on Pengu suddenly after I backed Pengu into a corner. Makes Leelou look less mafia and pulls Marsh out of the limelight forcing all attention on to Pengu. Pengu was a diversionary tactic that they set up to buy time.

Then it returns to Marsh so readily accepting the Ninja suggestion from Darthe. Ninja is a severly obscure role. While I know of it, I've never seen it actually put into a game.

Then there is a bit of gaming the mod. It's a low blow I know, but the information was given to me freely.
I complained about my role becoming useless when I confirmed that my role would only work on cop views. I was told that multiple roles became useless after Hallia's death. I suspect bus driver was one, and watcher the other. This brings me to the biggest tell of all that Marsh is mafia, he said he asked whether he would see bus driver's targets and claimed Songstress was evasive. Now, that did not match up with the interactions I had with Songstress, so here is completely lying.

Back to why watcher becomes useless w/o Hallia's role. The only Night action flip we've seen from mafia is bus driver. Sure we know there is a kill, but there is always a kill. Marsh already made the slip that he can't see the bus driver during his reveal. So the odds that Town has a watcher ONLY to watch for the kill is completely bizarre. the odds of catching the kill in a game like this is nearly impossible. It is more likely that it was mafia watcher as a counterpoint to town mechanics.

 

So either Marsh lied completely about being a Watcher or the role belongs to the Mafia team and Marsh is mafia.

 

I approve of this message.

[Gabriel Kross]

Just now, 鲍勃不是我的名字 said:

 

I approve of this message.

at least one person does.