DM Will Likely Crash During My Game Mafia - Game thread! [STANDARD]

[DPR]

I sketched out a chart before the NK was announced and I knew i wasn't going to be killed - I'm the lynch du jour (hence why I'm low hanging fruit). 

 

You haven't been all that active. Zan has been conflicted. Aqulla has never gained solid footing in the game. Tripped has been very active, even to the point of being leadery with AJ and has made multiple attempts to shape the game.

 

On my chart, I had an AJ kill linked to either you or Tripped. You opened the day with a soft claim. Tripped opened the day with speculation that we have Ninja kills. 

 

I gotta go back and look at Tripped/BFG interactions, but I won't be able to do that until later. 

 

I will say that it always struck me odd that Tripped has continued to make a big deal out of BFG calling me town. That fits neatly into a plan to try and provoke me into distracting the game with all sorts of setup spec and confrontation. Instead, scum caught an unlucky break with Krak flipping JK and I just haven't had that much time to invest and have been distracted with work.

 

 

[Sooh]

20 minutes ago, DPR said:

You willing to look at this outside of me lynch today? 

 

You called my post above "slimy", but if Chris had wanted BFG to have a role, wouldn't he have just called her "Strongman"? By calling it a role instead of just a description, my first thought was that it was a play to misdirect the game into thinking that maybe there were other Town roles outside of the JK9 setup. And, sure enough, Tripped then went on to talk about Ninja kills.

 

My thought is that if you are Tracker, and it looks like that's what we are playing, then the last Mafia *has* to avoid being tracked tonight. Even if I'm mislynched, you still have a day left.  

 

Question for you: why didn't you track me again N2 if I was your top suspect? 

That post was slimy because you're all about telling Tripped how to play her game and "You should have done this or that to clear yourself".

 

The last mafia can just kill me tonight. I expect that to happen.

 

You weren't my top suspect yesterday. If you look at my last posts of yesterday they're all focused on Aquilla. 

[Sooh]

I'm sorry, I just don't get how "AJ wasn't very concerned with Zander" translates to you not considering him. Hopefully somebody else comes around today to explore some other angles if it somehow isn't you. I don't expect to be around for F3, though some people might find it hilarious to torture me that way (I'm looking at you Z).

 

Also you mentioned how AJ was suspecting Tripped? Can you please show me some of that? I can wait until you have time.

[DPR]

22 minutes ago, Sooh said:

That post was slimy because you're all about telling Tripped how to play her game and "You should have done this or that to clear yourself".

 

The last mafia can just kill me tonight. I expect that to happen.

 

You weren't my top suspect yesterday. If you look at my last posts of yesterday they're all focused on Aquilla. 

 

Not following you on why you think I was telling Tripped how to play - I was just following a line of logic?

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, Sooh said:

I'm sorry, I just don't get how "AJ wasn't very concerned with Zander" translates to you not considering him. Hopefully somebody else comes around today to explore some other angles if it somehow isn't you. I don't expect to be around for F3, though some people might find it hilarious to torture me that way (I'm looking at you Z).

 

Also you mentioned how AJ was suspecting Tripped? Can you please show me some of that? I can wait until you have time.

 

Okay

[DPR]

On 6/20/2018 at 10:57 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

funnel cake ftw.

 

On 6/20/2018 at 11:02 PM, Andrej said:

 

Pocket attempt accepted

 

hi

 

On 6/21/2018 at 5:26 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

I did take that under consideration.  That said, I'm not sure it really means anything because you could easily get into WIFOM world where you start asking would wolf!Darthe intentionally pick the group he's in to avoid being suspected because it's his idea and a wolf would never probably do that.  I suppose I could see a situation where town!Darthe doesn't even pay attention to the fact that he's in the top 4, which would really narrow his pool of suspects to 3 people because he knows his own alignment.  I'm not sure if this is why DPR asked why Darthe didn't take top 5 or not...but it's a fair point if that's the case.  I have a hard time believing wolf!Darthe doesn't notice he's in the top 4 after suggesting that's the group to look at.  

 

On 6/21/2018 at 7:45 PM, Andrej said:

 

I don’t believe he didn’t know, if that’s how I came across. I was mostly responding to you since the way you were talking about it seemed like you didn’t realize he was in the group.

 

On 6/21/2018 at 8:09 PM, Zanatron said:

 

TR??

 

And you don't think Darthe and FOR were overexplaining just now......lolololol

 

 

On 6/21/2018 at 9:31 PM, Andrej said:

 

The only benefit I can see for scum!Darthe to include himself is for, like you said, to make himself look less ~bad for the idea by excluding himself. It also puts him in a spot where he now has to out-hustle three Townies (or just one really I guess), in the world where he’s the scum and everyone else isn’t. Tall order, but wifomy - yeah.

 

I don’t know if there’s necessarily a benefit per se to town!Darthe including himself.

 

On 6/21/2018 at 9:57 PM, Andrej said:

@Zanatron I think the discussion between Tripped/Darthe requires more depth than Aquilla’s reason for TR Darthe.

 

The way he asks if it’s a good reason for the read just seems weird to me versus just making it because he thinks it’s true. It’s over explained.

 

On 6/21/2018 at 11:56 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

@BFG Can you give me your read on AJ and DPR when you get caught up?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:03 AM, Andrej said:

What’s your read on AJ and DPR?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:06 AM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Not feeling great about DPR.  Still pretty null on you, but I haven't disagreed with you on anything you've said so far so that's probably ~good.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:24 AM, Andrej said:

Yeah, Z looks fine so far.

 

Tripped is a really good Townie but I haven’t seen her scum before. My expectations are ~high because of that but it might not be fair either. I’m not bothered by her though.

 

I don’t mind the take on the other ladies. I’m curious about Sooh’s answer to my question.

 

On 6/21/2018 at 7:38 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Not sure what you mean by chainsaw defense.  I guess I was trying to get a feel for why he included BFG in the list given you were pushing her straight out of the gates.  It seemed like an odd stance to take, especially if he's wolf reading you right now.  Because I kind of agree with Sooh that's not impossible, but not particularly likely because it seems like a weird play so early in the game to push a teammate.  So if he thinks you're a wolf then either the comment about BFG didn't take into account you were pushing a teammate, or he thinks BFG is town, in which case, I'm not sure why she's in the list?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 3:03 AM, Andrej said:

 

?

 

This might be one of the best posts of the game so far. 

 

NGL, I’ll feel bad if the Pirate rolled scum again for the third straight game but I’d lynch them without remorse.

 

On 6/21/2018 at 10:49 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

Tripped, DPR, AJ.  Run it.

 

On 6/21/2018 at 11:46 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

What does this mean?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 9:32 AM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Would have been better if it wasn't based on me and DPR misunderstanding each other.

 

lol...mostly I was trying to figure out if it was a PoE list or he he legit thought there were 3 wolves in a 9 player game.  Some explanation for the scum reads would have been nice, too.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:10 PM, Andrej said:

Drunk reads are the best tho lol

 

and ok. I have it in my head something different but I know you’ve been playing on MU more ~often probably and my idea of your play is likely outdated. Like you said in another post people change and grow, etc.

 

Mostly my worry was that you were using the “I make reads in RT” as a crutch to not bring those Townie!Sooh observations that I remember being your Town game. I know you did last game you were scum, at least.

 

After reading just now, I don’t have a problem anymore.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:06 PM, BFG said:

 

I don't think there's a pair in darthe/Sooh/Krak that I think are unlikely paired and I don't look for preflip teams

 

Darthe scum reading Krak doesn't mean much since I don't see Darthe defending a teammate that's in a general null to scum Poe, besides which he's not actually pushing Krak

 

 

AJ I typically actively scum read when I'm reading games he's scum in and I'm not this game, I'm not sure I can articulate why, lazy answer would be tone/gut but I don't think that's really what I read (more accurately it's a read I try not to overthink) and will evaluate with flips

 

logically I don't think he's out of scum range but that's probably paranoia

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:19 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Okay, thank you.  You were quick to scum read AJ in the game the three of us played together, and all three of us were town that game.  You laying off giving a real read on him here seems different.  So while I believe that town!you is likely to scum read scum!AJ, I've also seen you scum read him when both of you have been town.  

 

On 6/22/2018 at 1:29 PM, Andrej said:

BFG :(

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:31 PM, BFG said:

 

Lol, I'm not claiming a perfect reading ability<3 and to be clear it's generally dead thread me (as in spectator not killed) that scum reads scum AJ, I'm not sure the last game he was scum against me

 

Right now I don't think he's out of scum range, but I don't actively feel bad

 

On 6/22/2018 at 1:42 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

That's fair.  And I'm not expecting you to have perfect reads.  It was more comment on the fact that you had a read on AJ fairly early last game, even if it was incorrect.  Here you're not really giving a read on him.  I mostly wondered what was different from your POV.  

 

On 6/22/2018 at 2:05 PM, Andrej said:

BFG/Krak/DPR for me.

 

Haven’t ruled out Aquila yet but I’m less on them now.

 

Sooh looks pretty good to me here. Z isn’t pinging but hasn’t jumped off the page yet. Tripped looks like her Town self to me.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 6:24 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

How likely do you think it is that scum!BFG gives scum!DPR her only town read?  If you had to pick between the two of them, which do you think is more likely to be scum?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 6:29 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

DPR, what do you think about being BFG's only town read?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 6:36 PM, DPR said:

 

I don’t think I’ve ever played with BFG as scum, so there’s that.

 

I’m an active and aggressive player - I’m used to being on one reads list or another pretty much all the time. 

 

I get called scum A LOT. Sometimes I am... 

 

Which is to say that my activity and transparency might give BFG a townnlean. Or, because a number of folks have her as scum, she *knows* I’m town and wants to build equity there. 

 

Kind of a basic play for her I’d think, but it is what it is.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 6:38 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

That's fair.  Do you think you deserve the read she's given you?  Do you think other people are more deserving of a town read?  If so, who and why?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 6:40 PM, Andrej said:

Tripped, what are you working towards rn?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 6:53 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Not sure.  I'm torn between BFG/DPR/Krak but I don't really see DPR and BFG teamed rn.  Krak seems super not invested in solving the game, but could just be lhf.  And DPR has been around, but I'm not feeling great about them either, despite them being around.

 

I felt slightly better about Aquilla after seeing their interaction with you yesterday, so probably wouldn't lynch there.  Zander feels pretty town to me.  You feel similar to last game, though more reserved.  I have mindmelded with you a couple of times, so I think you're more likely to be town than not.  I don't see scum!Darthe doing what he did for the first 1/2 to 3/4 of the day.  Seems way over the top.  Sooh seems alright, too.  I've mindmelded with her a bit as well. 

 

So if I had to order people, it might look something like this:

 

Townish:

Zander

Darthe 

 

Null-town:

AJ

Sooh

 

Null:

Aquilla

 

Null-scum:

DPR

BFG

Krak

 

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:14 PM, Andrej said:

 

BFG’s read on DPR does come across like over compensating and I don’t disagree with what the Pirate said about how she could be trying to build equity with him. It’s sorta wifomy though and I don’t hate Darthe’s take that DPR attacking his proposed strat was a roundabout defense of BFG. I wouldn’t rule it out entirely yet.

 

Z has made some lucid reads in the moment but his last long list was so-so.

 

I really don’t know what to make of Krak rn.

 

I feel pretty good saying that I don’t think you, Darthe, or Sooh are scum.

 

Z is on the cusp. Aquilla is one I’ll have to sort out more but beyond what I pointed out earlier I’m not like alarmed by them. I also haven’t played with them much.

 

DPR could be Town by default is it’s just BFG/Krak, but never trust a Pirate imo.

 

[DPR]

That's up to page 20. I'll continue to the end, but a few things to point out:

 

I'm putting this together with the perspective that I will be lynched today and flip VT.

 

So, none of this is a defense of myself - it's a showcase of AJ's thoughts as pertaining to Tripped and Zander.

 

Sooh and Aquilla are cleared in my scenario ( No way Town!Sooh fake claims Tracker, so Aquilla cleared there. If Scum!Sooh fake claimed Tracker, she'll live to tomorrow and Aquilla is still town. I don't see a world where the last mafia would take the risk of leaving Sooh on the field).

 

Now for the rest.

 

 

[DPR]

On 6/22/2018 at 7:42 PM, BFG said:

Zander not voting at all is sketching me some, and the change in pace (from before he went AWOL) is throwing me a little, but on the whole I've liked the paranoia and the wide focus

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:44 PM, BFG said:

I don't believe Chris puts in a jk and doc in a 9 player

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:45 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

I was just thinking this...

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:45 PM, Andrej said:

I’m not sure about either.

 

Two of the shadier looking people coming in at DL and dropping conflicting PR claims.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:53 PM, Andrej said:

Busy!BFG is one thing, and even when she’s limited I think she can project pretty well her alignment.

 

What I’ve seen this game resembles a lot closer to her being scum imo.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:55 PM, Andrej said:

 

I don’t remember if I’ve seen it myself, but I know she’d be willing to at least. We considered one time as scum partners in a game with Masons/Doc when she was getting ran up.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:56 PM, BFG said:

I've probably fake claimed as scum

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:59 PM, BFG said:

AJ?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:59 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

 Not helpful.    

 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:59 PM, BFG said:

Sorry :(

 

On 6/22/2018 at 8:00 PM, Andrej said:

Vote Krak

 

On 6/23/2018 at 8:08 PM, Andrej said:

Sender Gumby <3

 

Vote BFG

 

On 6/23/2018 at 8:18 PM, Andrej said:

This is pretty much BFG’s scum game in a nutshell imo. She’s a lovely lady but I really believe she doesn’t enjoy being scum because she’s so polite and accusing people/lying makes her uncomfortable and thus her presence in the game isn’t as impactful and her reads aren’t as ~genuine. She reminds me a lot of Spirited Away here, where we were scum buddies and she was under a lot of suspicion D1 but slipped the noose.

 

DPR fell pretty hard into her pocket, I think. I can appreciate that he doesn’t have as much experience with scum!BFG as some of us, so I am being lenient for the hard defense yesterday. His line about being due for us to flip alignments finally just seemed really genuine in the moment. I’ll make fun of him post game for it nonetheless for sucking as bad as he does.

 

I don’t believe it’s Tripped and Sooh is more or less cleared for how she handled BFG D1.

 

which leaves me with Z/Aquilla. Neither were very impactful D1. Aquilla’s read on Darthe still feels fake to me in a nutshell and Z not voting anyone D1 isn’t a good look. He’s a lot more passive as scum imo.

 

On 6/23/2018 at 8:21 PM, Andrej said:

Oh plus there’s the whole contradicting PR claims at DL - with the JK flipping Town.

 

I know Clov likes his PRs but a JK/Doc together in a 9p is pretty OP for Town. That’s a big spread of NK stopping ability for such a small roster.

 

On 6/23/2018 at 8:39 PM, Andrej said:

BFG being the lead wagon and claiming a PR going into DL is like the most convenient thing ever. The best I’d call it is NAI. Either she’s legit or she’s scum and knew claiming anything but a PR meant it’s curtains.

 

So - is there anything from her play that makes you think she is Town besides claiming Doc?

 

Like she wagoned Krak while saying she had no read. Her SR on Darthe was the weakest thing ever. She made no real attempt to really interact or sort with anyone D1.

 

This isn’t Town!BFG

 

On 6/23/2018 at 8:39 PM, DPR said:

 

Okay. Let's play "How Do You Think The Game is Set Up?"

 

Go

 

On 6/23/2018 at 8:49 PM, Andrej said:

Nobody is hurrying anything. I’m not calling for a hammer lol. I am just making this known from the get go, and I really wish I would’ve stayed out yesterday and let the lynch go random.

 

Tell you what, as this phase progresses, I want you to be on the look out for BFG and see if she really starts to bring it or continues to float with the occasional pop-in series of posts that ask some questions and gives some reads but doesn’t really go anywhere.

 

On 6/23/2018 at 8:58 PM, Andrej said:

9p, flipped JK.

 

JK9 anyone? Which doesn’t have a Doc btw.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 4:31 AM, Sooh said:

is JK9 a specific setup? 

 

On 6/24/2018 at 7:05 AM, DPR said:

So, I googled it, and found:  https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JK9

 

Looks like 8 games played on MafiaScum from 2009 thru 2013. Scum usually wins.

 

If this is the case - and I grant that with a JK and 9 players it definitely could be - I can't help but think that our solution is easy. Tracker stays anonymous and peeks BFG tonight - if she doesn't visit anyone, or if the person she visits dies, we got ourselves a scum. Simples. 

 

And that begs the question...

 

If AJ recognizes this setup, why wasn't the above his first suggestion? Even if a player was 99% sure that BFG was scum, why take a chance on killing them when you can easily prove it? Hunt the other wolf instead, no?

 

 

 

 

 

On 6/24/2018 at 10:21 AM, Zanatron said:

 

I fell asleep watching Luke Cage so I'm sorry for that.

 

Why did you switch your vote to Krak right before DL if you were and still are so certain on BFG being Scum?!?!?

 

On 6/24/2018 at 11:58 AM, TrippedOnReality said:

Because he was the counter to the claimed doc.  Obviously his claim was true, but if you're trying to make people doubt a doc claim as scum, I could see claiming jailkeeper to push the wagon back the other way.  I'm probably bias because I just played a Chris!game with a town doc and a scum!JK and I can absolutely see scum claiming JK as JK if they get run up.  It's a role that can be either town or scum so it creates doubt.

 

The thing that bugged me the most was moving the vote.  If I were town!JK and I didn't believe there were both a town doc and a town JK in the same game, there is no way I'm unvoting BFG there.  

 

On 6/24/2018 at 12:26 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Wouldn't tracker have tracked BFG last night though if that's the case?  If it's actually JK9, tracker tracks BFG nowhere or to the dead person, either way, she's not the doc.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 12:30 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

There is no guarantee that the set up even is JK9.  

 

On 6/24/2018 at 12:48 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Sure, I'm not saying we shouldn't consider other routes.  I've been kind of waiting to see what BFG has to say on everything.  Her not being around doesn't make me feel great.   

 

On 6/24/2018 at 1:28 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

I would love to hear from @BFG right now

 

On 6/24/2018 at 1:36 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Yes...but I just saw a very experienced player/mod screw up a bunch of other mechanics/roles in another game so I'm trying not to read into it too much.  I still have a hard time believing scum!BFG lists scum!DPR as her only town read when a lot of other people were pretty meh on him. 

 

On 6/24/2018 at 1:37 PM, Andrej said:

I agree with this to an extent.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 1:41 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

The fact that he never questioned the read bothers me a bit though.  I'm just thinking...if I'm top town read all by myself on a list of nulls and I'm not getting many other town reads I might looks a bit squinty at the person townreading me.  But that's just me.  I have no idea how DPR plays.  He seems to be used to people having a strong opinion on him either way so, maybe it's NAI.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 1:17 PM, Zanatron said:

AJ who is BFG teammate... I'm guessing you think FOR  it give me another and why please.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 1:41 PM, Andrej said:

I said so already.

 

DPR is working real hard to be scum MVP but it might be one of those too obvious situations.

 

Sooh was early and consistent on the BFG wagon and one of the first to call her out. If it was a bus move it was planned ahead imo.

 

You called BFG scum but never voted and you haven’t really bit into anything yet so I think you’ve got some equity there.

 

Aquilla is another possible just due to 0 interaction either way with him/BFG and generally just not finding them super Townie.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 2:17 PM, Andrej said:

 

Yeah, idk. I keep going back and forth on him.

 

On the one hand I want to say he’s too openly defending her, and has done so from basically the game start (Darthe’s chainsaw defense point).

 

On the other I know in 9p it’s gonna be a two-man scum team like 99% of the time and so keeping your partner alive is obviously in your best interests. So maybe this is just scum!DPR trying to keep scum!BFG alive but failing against a roster that knows better. His logic today has been really hasty.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 2:49 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Yeah...I just don't know.  I mean, from BFG's side...she was taking a fair bit of heat at that point when she made her reads list...idk.  I just having a hard time believing that scum!BFG isn't aware that putting exactly 1 town read on her list of nulls isn't going to draw more attention to that person.

 

If BFG flips town, I'd probably look at DPR or Aq next?  There is a world where I could see scum!DPR whiteknighting town!BFG.  Probably also look harder at Sooh if BFG flips town.  

 

If BFG flips scum, I'm probably still looking at Aq.  I'm not sure I'm looking at Zander.  I don't know that Zander disagrees with DPR defending BFG as hard if it's BFG/Zander.  Probably not Sooh based on her voting.  Probably not you, because of how you've been pushing BFG.

 

The thing that bugs me is BFG said "I don't know if Chris puts town JK and town Doc in the same set up."  I agree with her.  I think it wouldn't be a common choice knowing Chris.  So that response read as genuine, but could come from anyalignment!BFG.  But then she kind of pushed Krak to put his vote back on her right after that...questioning why he moved it off...that doesn't sound like someone who is trying to save themselves to me...it sounded like someone who doubted Krak's claim.  As town doc, BFG would know that she's got one of the protective roles and reacted in a way that I would have expected from someone who is town.  Now, if scum have a strongman shot, I could see scum!BFG claiming doc, maybe hoping to out the doc or other protective power role, but she seemed genuinely surprised that Krak moved his vote.  And unless her teammate was on her wagon and able to move to Krak...I just don't know that scum!BFG encourages Krak to revote her when the town protective role actually happens to BE the other wagon.  Maybe i'm crazy.  idk.         

 

On 6/24/2018 at 3:21 PM, Andrej said:

BFG is smart and would know how to frame those arguments in a pinch. It was her or Krak yesterday so she needed to cast enough doubt to get him lynched over her. It worked.

 

Now we’re back to no BFG after slipping the noose D1. She can sound good in the moment but her overall lack of anything is the better indicator imo.

 

She hasn’t really interacted with anyone outside of some questions for Aquilla’s TR on Darthe early on. I’d expect a lot more questions to investigate versus those “these are my reads for these reasons” kind of posts she made before DL was here.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 3:25 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

That's fair.  I just haven't played with BFG a whole lot, and not at all as scum.  Her not being here doesn't help me sort her alignment at all.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 3:25 PM, Andrej said:

*IF* BFG were to flip Town here (which I don’t think she does) then yeah, I’d be a little worried about Sooh.

 

Really her flipping Town wrecks my worldview by a lot cause then I think scum could just be about anyone except maybe you.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 3:34 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

Let's switch directions for a bit.  What do you think of the NK choice?  

 

On 6/24/2018 at 3:52 PM, Andrej said:

I think it’s hilarious given that Darthe claimed VT in his opener.

 

[DPR]

Those are thru page 26.

 

I do feel terrible about thinking JK ws a BD. That really took a lot of attention off of the game. Bad pirate. 

 

Also, there are a lot of posts featuring Tripped on these lists. Zander's interactions were fewer, so that's why. 

 

Should wrap up with the next post. 

[DPR]

On 6/24/2018 at 6:15 PM, Andrej said:

Like Tripped pointed out before, in the last game all of us player together Town!BFG was a lot more active in making a read on me. I just really would anticipate her to be a lot more interested in interacting with me to figure me out in this game if she were Town. She could just be really busy but what I’ve seen aligns a lot more with her scum game imo. I’d feel really awful is she flips Town but my confidence level is probably around 85% that she doesn’t.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:16 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

Is your read on DPR dependent on BFG being scum?

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:18 PM, Aquilla said:

him being higher is dependent on that yes, if BFG is somehow town, he's probably my top scumread by a mile.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:20 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

AJ what do you think about BFG/Sooh, like Aquilla is suggesting?

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:20 PM, Andrej said:

There’s nothing you’ve seen that gives you an idea on TOR? You said she’s the null line.

 

I don’t really disagree with the Sooh take but like I said earlier, if she’s bussing it was pre-planned imo. BFG would encourage her teammates to vote her if she’s going down (I know this from experience). I feel like Sooh has changed a lot as a player so I’m not sure the way I would normally read her is fool proof anymore.

 

I find interesting that BFG specifically mentions DPR’s read on you as the one that stands out on his list.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:23 PM, Andrej said:

 

See above. Independently I don’t have an issue with Sooh l beyond your normal ~paranoia. Her vote on BFG came at a time I would think is early to bus but maybe behind the scenes BFG encouraged it, idk.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:25 PM, Aquilla said:

she's still the null line tbh, I've not managed to get any read on her with spew or without. She responds to BFG a few times, but nothing that is extremely note worthy. I did like how she reacted to the claims though.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:27 PM, Aquilla said:

In regards to BFG's mentioned DPR'S read on me, I thought there was a couple times where she was spewy with her read on me, including that.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:30 PM, Andrej said:

Tripped’s approach to this game just feels genuine to me. She’s only played with me and BFG before (I think?) off-site but she’s very engaged with a roster of new people when she could’ve slanked easily. How she’s handling current events doesn’t feel like it comes with an agenda either.

 

I guess if there was a negative I would say she slow played the BFG wagon and settled on Krak instead, but considering the way the claims went at EOD there’s plausible deniability that I can’t fault her completely on.

 

I just think she’s Town more times than not.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:33 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

I mean...maybe?  But if BFG shows up and gets enough heat off her, there was more than enough time to move elsewhere, too.  Was Sooh around for EoD?  I don't see that she was...Do you really think a teammate parks a vote on BFG and then is not around for EoD?

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:34 PM, Zanatron said:

 

Sooh and BFG Now??

 

Hmmmmmm

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:35 PM, Aquilla said:

yeah that's where I've come around to after looking at BFG interactions.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:35 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

With so few votes early in this game, I have a hard time believing a teammate parks a vote on a teammate well before EoD and is not around.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:42 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

I really wish this place had ISO.  It makes me incredibly sad right now.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:45 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

I did remember BFG had some interesting comments about Aquilla's game play that I didn't make much of at the time.  I'll have to go back and look as well.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:46 PM, Andrej said:

I was just thinking the same. I’d like to look back to see who Sooh talked about D1 before the BFG wagon became viable and what the current gamestate was.

 

If we’re not counting Darthe’s vote then Sooh actually started the BFG wagon.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:47 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

This is what I'm saying about Sooh.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:54 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

But BFG was in real danger of being lynched?  You think it's distancing that went wrong when other people started voting on the wagon?  Or are you suggesting Sooh intentional tried to bus BFG when there were no other wagons really going at the time?

 

On 6/24/2018 at 6:56 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Some people might.  I just don't know that Sooh/BFG do.  But someone else who has played with both of them more might be more able to answer that.  I'm just thinking that there were other options, why bus if you don't need to.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 7:01 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

I'm going to try to ISO BFG and Sooh after dinner...that should be...fun.

 

On 6/24/2018 at 10:04 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Interaction between Sooh and Darthe about Sooh's saying that BFG not reacting to Darthe is soft defense of BFG:

 

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We know Darthe is town now, so we can at least see his motivation here.  Sooh's motivation calling it NAI doesn't have to be scum motivated, but her taking a pretty neutral stance is worth noting at this point.

 

Interesting interaction between BFG and Aquilla, mostly about Darthe:

 

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To me...it seems like she let's this train of thought go way too easily.  Especially if she says she thinks the whole thing is NAI.

 

Gives a weak town read to Darthe after this:

 

 

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BFG finally responds to Darthe about his read on her:

 

 

 

Shortly there after gives these reads on Aquilla, Darth, and DPR:  

 

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So, she walks back her read on Darthe from a secret town read to a null.  Gives Aquilla a light town read for...something?  Not really sure what.  Apparently Aquilla was scum the last time they played as well.  So if she's seeing a difference, could be fair.  No one really comments on her read of Aquilla at this point.

 

Meanwhile, BFG is in the thread participating.  The vote count was AJ voting Aquilla and DPR voting Darthe and Sooh jumps in and throws a vote down on BFG, tying 3 wagons at 1 each:

 

 

Shortly after BFG gives a reads list:

 

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Notice she has Sooh near the bottom of the list without previously given a read on her.  Several people were town reading Sooh as well.  This seems like an odd play for teammates at this point, especially when both of them stuck around in thread for a while.  Here are a few reactions to BFG's reads list:

 

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This isn't that much after she's given him a light town read.

 

Me asking about her reads:

 

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She comments on Darthe scum reading Krak as not meaning much, but doesn't comment on any other combos.  The lack of a read on AJ is...weird to me.  I have no idea what to make of it.  I *think* scum!BFG would try to give a read on scum!AJ.  I don't know that this is how teammates treat each other.  More on this in a bit.    

 

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Asking Krak about why Darthe can't be scum.  She's currently got both of them in her PoE so questioning them about each other is ~okay.

 

 

 

Now she's asking DPR, her town read about his read on Aquilla, who she also has a town lean on?

 

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Now she's calling both Krak and Darthe as people she'd doesn't feel great about, but caveats with not feeling great about it which is ~okay.  Been there myself.  

 

So now AJ isn't stoked about BFG and adds his vote to the pile.  I don't think a teammate throws a second vote on BFG, and given the lack of a read on AJ earlier I have a really hard time seeing this as how teammates interact.

 

 

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So that was everything up through  closer to EOD...

 

Sooh voted at a weird time.  Like BFG was here, interacting, posting.  Sooh drops a vote on BFG before she even has a chance to finish a full reads list.  The interact a bit over how they are reading other people, but Sooh never unvotes and BFG has Sooh as a scum read.  I mean, I could potentially see distancing here, but it just seems really...awkward timing wise.  And at that point, I don't think Sooh had committed to any reads other than Darthe and a weak town lean on me and Zander, but that was about it.  So she could have pushed on Aquilla a bit if she wanted or even Krak.  But didn't.

 

Her interactions/comments about AJ don't really seem like teammates either for reasons stated above.

 

The interaction with Aquilla are...interesting.  I can't tell if it's more likely to be pockety or teammates interacting to interact.  Like, as far as I could tell, her interaction with Aquilla was really the only game-focused interaction she initiated and she never really pushes it.  She just asks a few question and walks away from it with a very meh feel about it.  Her trying to get a feel from DPR on Aquilla is also worthy of note given she was giving both more of a townish lean. 

 

I still contend that scum!BFG probably doesn't list DPR as her strongest town read if they are teammates.

 

Zander pushed BFG on the inconsistency on her read on DPR.  I don't know if a teammate does that unless it's clear the ship is sinking.  That said Z just seems pretty towny to me.

 

So after all that...I still think Aquilla has the most teammate equity out of the bunch, followed by Sooh/Zander maybe?  

 

Hope this isn't super obnoxious, also hope i didn't mess up spoiler tags... (it probably will be; i probably did).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 6/24/2018 at 10:22 PM, Andrej said:

About midway thru that became unreadable.

 

cliff notes?

 

On 6/24/2018 at 10:27 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

I regret so much right now...it took me forever to compile all that too.  :( 

 

here is a summary:

 

Sooh voted at a weird time.  Like BFG was here, interacting, posting.  Sooh drops a vote on BFG before she even has a chance to finish a full reads list.  The interact a bit over how they are reading other people, but Sooh never unvotes and BFG has Sooh as a scum read.  I mean, I could potentially see distancing here, but it just seems really...awkward timing wise.  And at that point, I don't think Sooh had committed to any reads other than Darthe and a weak town lean on me and Zander, but that was about it.  So she could have pushed on Aquilla a bit if she wanted or even Krak.  But didn't.

 

BFG's interactions/comments about AJ don't really seem like teammates either. I don't think a teammate throws a second vote on BFG, and given the lack of a read on AJ earlier I have a really hard time seeing this as how teammates interact.

 

The interaction with Aquilla are...interesting.  I can't tell if it's more likely to be pockety or teammates interacting to interact.  Like, as far as I could tell, her interaction with Aquilla was really the only game-focused interaction she initiated and she never really pushes it.  She just asks a few question and walks away from it with a very meh feel about it.  Her trying to get a feel from DPR on Aquilla is also worthy of note given she was giving both more of a townish lean. 

 

I still contend that scum!BFG probably doesn't list DPR as her strongest town read if they are teammates.

 

Zander pushed BFG on the inconsistency on her read on DPR.  I don't know if a teammate does that unless it's clear the ship is sinking.  That said Z just seems pretty towny to me.

 

So after all that...I still think Aquilla has the most teammate equity out of the bunch, followed by Sooh/Zander maybe?  

 

 

On 6/25/2018 at 7:08 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

It's deadline only.   No hammers.  You can just vote.

 

Vote BFG

 

 

On 6/25/2018 at 7:12 PM, Andrej said:

 

On 6/25/2018 at 7:35 PM, Zanatron said:

Vote BFG

 

[DPR]

That's it up to AJ's death. 

 

I'm late, so I have to go but someone needs to do this in regard to interactions between Tripped and Zan - it should be much shorter.

 

glgl

[TrippedOnReality]

10 minutes ago, DPR said:

That's it up to AJ's death. 

 

I'm late, so I have to go but someone needs to do this in regard to interactions between Tripped and Zan - it should be much shorter.

 

glgl

 

Now that you've gone through that exercise, what did you get out of it?  I expect some sort of analysis of all that from you.  Otherwise, all you did was collect a bunch of posts. 

 

Also, why do you think the interactions between me and Zander important?  Me and Zander are never teamed, so what are you trying to figure out?  

 

[Sooh]

On 6/24/2018 at 2:18 AM, Andrej said:

This is pretty much BFG’s scum game in a nutshell imo. She’s a lovely lady but I really believe she doesn’t enjoy being scum because she’s so polite and accusing people/lying makes her uncomfortable and thus her presence in the game isn’t as impactful and her reads aren’t as ~genuine. She reminds me a lot of Spirited Away here, where we were scum buddies and she was under a lot of suspicion D1 but slipped the noose.

 

DPR fell pretty hard into her pocket, I think. I can appreciate that he doesn’t have as much experience with scum!BFG as some of us, so I am being lenient for the hard defense yesterday. His line about being due for us to flip alignments finally just seemed really genuine in the moment. I’ll make fun of him post game for it nonetheless for sucking as bad as he does.

 

I don’t believe it’s Tripped and Sooh is more or less cleared for how she handled BFG D1.

 

which leaves me with Z/Aquilla. Neither were very impactful D1. Aquilla’s read on Darthe still feels fake to me in a nutshell and Z not voting anyone D1 isn’t a good look. He’s a lot more passive as scum imo.

 

 

On 6/24/2018 at 9:25 PM, Andrej said:

*IF* BFG were to flip Town here (which I don’t think she does) then yeah, I’d be a little worried about Sooh.

 

Really her flipping Town wrecks my worldview by a lot cause then I think scum could just be about anyone except maybe you.

 

 

On 6/25/2018 at 12:30 AM, Andrej said:

Tripped’s approach to this game just feels genuine to me. She’s only played with me and BFG before (I think?) off-site but she’s very engaged with a roster of new people when she could’ve slanked easily. How she’s handling current events doesn’t feel like it comes with an agenda either.

 

I guess if there was a negative I would say she slow played the BFG wagon and settled on Krak instead, but considering the way the claims went at EOD there’s plausible deniability that I can’t fault her completely on.

 

I just think she’s Town more times than not.

 

Ok, I don't see where in these posts there's anything that suggests AJ was waffling on his town read of Tripped which you were talking about, DPR. 

 

I'm always lynching DPR today, and if that's somehow wrong I would suggest going for Zander tomorrow.

[Sooh]

Also re: Zander , @TrippedOnReality

 

Zander is one of those people who will hard bus as scum, because he loves being villager so much he just goes hard against his team mates, often from the get go. If any of his teammates are getting a town read from somebody else it wouldn't surprise me if he elected to argue with that read, just because he knows his teammate is scum.

[Zander?]

5 hours ago, Sooh said:

Because I was coming down hard on Aquilla yesterday, and because I felt like if he was town he would have a hard time clearing himself, so he was either the last mafia, or an easy mislynch. I was trying to avoid F3. When yesterday ended it was always in Aquilla/DPR for me, so I tried to clear/convict one of them.

 

Fair enough

 

5 hours ago, Sooh said:

This looks like a Zanderpocket.

 

Are you pocketed, Z?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Sooh said:

I'm sorry, I just don't get how "AJ wasn't very concerned with Zander" translates to you not considering him. Hopefully somebody else comes around today to explore some other angles if it somehow isn't you. I don't expect to be around for F3, though some people might find it hilarious to torture me that way (I'm looking at you Z).

 

Also you mentioned how AJ was suspecting Tripped? Can you please show me some of that? I can wait until you have time.

 

If I was Scum and you Town I would straight up start tunneling you till you got extremely fustrated and off your game to the point you'd prolly want to stop playing...lolololololol

[Zander?]

7 minutes ago, Sooh said:

Also re: Zander , @TrippedOnReality

 

Zander is one of those people who will hard bus as scum, because he loves being villager so much he just goes hard against his team mates, often from the get go. If any of his teammates are getting a town read from somebody else it wouldn't surprise me if he elected to argue with that read, just because he knows his teammate is scum.

 

This post was brought to you by the letters S O O H I S T O T A L L Y C O R R E C T

[Zander?]

12 minutes ago, Sooh said:

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, I don't see where in these posts there's anything that suggests AJ was waffling on his town read of Tripped which you were talking about, DPR. 

 

I'm always lynching DPR today, and if that's somehow wrong I would suggest going for Zander tomorrow.

 

Sooh Im Town 100% here I wish you would have tracked me last night...sadface.gif

 

[Zander?]

Anyways it's not hammer right its dl?!?!!?

 

Can I vote DPR now?!?!?!

[Sooh]

4 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

Sooh Im Town 100% here I wish you would have tracked me last night...sadface.gif

 

Meh, I got Aquilla cleared so we didn't mislynch him. I feel like I did my job. 

 

Also you can vote whenever you want to since there's no hammer.

[Sooh]

12 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

If I was Scum and you Town I would straight up start tunneling you till you got extremely fustrated and off your game to the point you'd prolly want to stop playing...lolololololol

I remember this...

[Zander?]

Just now, Sooh said:

I remember this...

 

Exactly my point...you know easy this would be for me to replicate as Scum to look like a Towny?!?!!?!?

 

 

Just now, Sooh said:

Meh, I got Aquilla cleared so we didn't mislynch him. I feel like I did my job. 

 

Also you can vote whenever you want to since there's no hammer.

 

VOTE DPR

 

 

[Sooh]

You feel a lot more passive, Z, and while that could be just since you haven't been playing for a while and you've got work and other distractions plus the board isn't too easy to get on at all times it's just different to what I remember. 

 

Things change, and I'll take it with me for next time, whether you end up being town or scum ;)

[Zander?]

Just now, Sooh said:

You feel a lot more passive, Z, and while that could be just since you haven't been playing for a while and you've got work and other distractions plus the board isn't too easy to get on at all times it's just different to what I remember. 

 

Things change, and I'll take it with me for next time, whether you end up being town or scum ;)

 

Fair enough my dear!!!

 

Ive got no Meta with Tripped....think I might have played once or twice with Aquilla tho I don't remember.  Krak I could never read without being frustrated...lol.....reading Derf and the Pirate and ofc YOU has never been easier....BFG and AJ are usually not very hard for me to read after a day or 2.

 

But yes going forward make sure to please keep in mind the fact I just dont have the time like I used too nor am going to ever get super emotionally invested in a game anymore....#dramafreelifeisthelifeforzander

 

lolololololol 

[TrippedOnReality]

57 minutes ago, Sooh said:

Also re: Zander , @TrippedOnReality

 

Zander is one of those people who will hard bus as scum, because he loves being villager so much he just goes hard against his team mates, often from the get go. If any of his teammates are getting a town read from somebody else it wouldn't surprise me if he elected to argue with that read, just because he knows his teammate is scum.

 

Good to know.

 

47 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

Sooh Im Town 100% here I wish you would have tracked me last night...sadface.gif

 

 

Why though?  Isn't it always better to track someone who is likely to be scum or likely to be mislynched?  If Sooh tracked you, then Aquilla is probably always the lynch here.  You were probably never going to be up for lynch today if Aquilla isn't cleared somehow.  

 

42 minutes ago, Sooh said:

Meh, I got Aquilla cleared so we didn't mislynch him. I feel like I did my job. 

 

 

Nah, totally agree.  I would have tracked Aquilla if I were in your shoes.

[Zander?]

Because I know Im Town and its just easier that way....,Aquilla is never up for the lynch today either....I just wanted to basically be an IC....lololololol