DM Will Likely Crash During My Game Mafia - Game thread! [STANDARD]

[TrippedOnReality]

1 minute ago, Aquilla said:

for exactly this reason. It's wifom.

 

But BFG was in real danger of being lynched?  You think it's distancing that went wrong when other people started voting on the wagon?  Or are you suggesting Sooh intentional tried to bus BFG when there were no other wagons really going at the time?

[TrippedOnReality]

1 minute ago, Aquilla said:

I don't agree personally. If you know that a partner is going to get heat for EOD, why wouldn't you get ahead of the game?

 

Some people might.  I just don't know that Sooh/BFG do.  But someone else who has played with both of them more might be more able to answer that.  I'm just thinking that there were other options, why bus if you don't need to.

[Aquilla]

Just now, TrippedOnReality said:

 

But BFG was in real danger of being lynched?  You think it's distancing that went wrong when other people started voting on the wagon?  Or are you suggesting Sooh intentional tried to bus BFG when there were no other wagons really going at the time?

it really depends. Like I said, I think Sooh might've intended to make eod, but something irl interfered with it, in which case, Sooh can make that play as scum easily. If Sooh wasn't gonna make eod either way, it's less likely, but still possible. I wanna hear from Sooh on that.

[Aquilla]

Just now, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Some people might.  I just don't know that Sooh/BFG do.  But someone else who has played with both of them more might be more able to answer that.  I'm just thinking that there were other options, why bus if you don't need to.

I think the bus might've been needed is the thing. Sooh initially defended BFG from Darthe's push on nothing, so it's possible that they intended to townread each other, but when neither were able to fully get in the game, they tried something.

[TrippedOnReality]

Just now, Aquilla said:

I think the bus might've been needed is the thing. Sooh initially defended BFG from Darthe's push on nothing, so it's possible that they intended to townread each other, but when neither were able to fully get in the game, they tried something.

 

That's fair.

[Aquilla]

obviously it's possible that Sooh is just town as well, and none of this means anything. But her interactions with BFG look worse than everyone else's imo.

[TrippedOnReality]

I'm going to try to ISO BFG and Sooh after dinner...that should be...fun.

[Aquilla]

Gl, let me know what you think after you're done. I should be around, even if I'm not posting.

[BFG]

Good evening friends<3

Sorry Krak :(

 

and sorry for my absence so far today, site was down when I tried getting on at lunch

[Aquilla]

evening BFG

[BFG]

The amount of mechanics talk this game makes me sad

It isn't a jk9 setup 

 

Not sure if this has been discussed

@Zanatron you said you fell asleep, but why didn't you vote before then?

@Aquilla why didn't you vote? 

[Aquilla]

you mean last night? I wasn't online to be able to. Work ran late and I didn't get home until 8:30.

[BFG]

8 hours ago, DPR said:

 

He would have known after Krak claimed and could have mentioned it then - and not voted for Krak. JK is a much more obscure claim than Doc and that would have stood out to me had I known about that particular setup. 

 

Why did you ask Krak to switch votes and not me?

[BFG]

1 minute ago, Aquilla said:

you mean last night? I wasn't online to be able to. Work ran late and I didn't get home until 8:30.

Before that?

[DPR]

LOL

 

Hard claim/Bus Driver

[Aquilla]

7 minutes ago, BFG said:

Before that?

I thought I was gonna be back in time to make a vote, and I wasn't confident enough in anything yet to vote at the time I left.

[Aquilla]

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

LOL

 

Hard claim/Bus Driver

lol I really hope you're joking.

[DPR]

I really am joking.

[Aquilla]

Just now, DPR said:

I really am joking.

lol. Am I that boring to you?

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Aquilla said:

lol. Am I that boring to you?

 

That's an invitation into chaos. 

 

I'm really quite sure that the rest of the game can attest to this, lol.

 

#townthruandthru

[Aquilla]

Just now, DPR said:

 

That's an invitation into chaos. 

 

I'm really quite sure that the rest of the game can attest to this, lol.

 

#townthruandthru

ha, you'll probably not get me in chaos tbh, I'm one of the most cautious people I know. But I'll gleefully watch.

[TrippedOnReality]

 

Interaction between Sooh and Darthe about Sooh's saying that BFG not reacting to Darthe is soft defense of BFG:

 

On 6/21/2018 at 12:26 AM, Sooh said:

And Darthe? I think it would have been more suss if BFG actually cared about your vote based on ??? at this stage of the game. The fact that she doesn't is NAI to me. She should be obvious later on in the game anyway ( <3 you, BFG).

 

On 6/21/2018 at 8:07 AM, Sooh said:

The part he highlighted can hardly be seen as a defense of BFG imo. The part before that, sure. I'll give you that.

 

On 6/21/2018 at 7:46 AM, Darthe said:

More it's a soft defense of BFG.

 

On 6/21/2018 at 8:11 AM, Darthe said:

Implicit in "she will be obvious later" is "we can wait for now".  

 

That's a delaying tactic, which is a defense.

 

On 6/21/2018 at 8:13 AM, Sooh said:

Then the question becomes, why are you in such a hurry to go after her? I think you also are aware that her meta makes it easier to read and assess her slightly later on in the game.

 

We know Darthe is town now, so we can at least see his motivation here.  Sooh's motivation calling it NAI doesn't have to be scum motivated, but her taking a pretty neutral stance is worth noting at this point.

 

Interesting interaction between BFG and Aquilla, mostly about Darthe:

 

On 6/21/2018 at 1:24 AM, BFG said:

Morning Aquilla :) probably need to apologise in advance for any time I don't catch the auto correct on my phone

 

On 6/21/2018 at 1:25 AM, BFG said:

 

Why does reading an OP town scare you?

 

On 6/21/2018 at 1:26 AM, Aquilla said:

cause I've never found them alignment indicative before. I've spectated a lot of games, and I see others randomly calling Op's town that didn't do anything for me personally. 

 

On 6/21/2018 at 1:29 AM, BFG said:

 

Ok :)

 

On 6/21/2018 at 1:42 AM, BFG said:

So what about Darthes OP did you think was towny?

 

On 6/21/2018 at 1:45 AM, Aquilla said:

the vt stuff. It just seems so believable. Not to mention, the post seems like it was started a long time ago, which I think is less likely to come from a mafia. I've seen posts from wolves that were written overnight, but never before the game begins. 

 

On 6/21/2018 at 2:03 AM, BFG said:

Eh, I have that as null and so far most ~reactions have been fairly predictable

 

 

To me...it seems like she let's this train of thought go way too easily.  Especially if she says she thinks the whole thing is NAI.

 

Gives a weak town read to Darthe after this:

 

On 6/21/2018 at 2:27 AM, BFG said:

There are a couple of things I'm watching with Darthe<3

 

On 6/21/2018 at 2:30 AM, BFG said:

may have a secret town read?

[/spoiler]

 

 

 

BFG finally responds to Darthe about his read on her:

 

On 6/22/2018 at 8:47 AM, Darthe said:

@BFG any response to my read on you?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 9:08 AM, BFG said:

So far I've seen that you don't like me not responding to your early ~vote

 

Well no there's nothing to respond to

 

As a ~kickstarter it's ~fine but null

 

Shortly there after gives these reads on Aquilla, Darth, and DPR:  

On 6/22/2018 at 9:22 AM, BFG said:

 

Light town on Aquilla null on Darthe

 

On 6/22/2018 at 9:27 AM, BFG said:

Think I have DPR as town, more depth to his arguments than last game something something feel better if it wasn't mechanics based

 

On 6/22/2018 at 9:32 AM, BFG said:

Aquilla seems more engaged than the last game I remember of his when I don't recall any early reads. That said he both subbed and was symp that game so may not be a fair comparison

 

Both Darthes OP and ~vote are null for him

So, she walks back her read on Darthe from a secret town read to a null.  Gives Aquilla a light town read for...something?  Not really sure what.  Apparently Aquilla was scum the last time they played as well.  So if she's seeing a difference, could be fair.  No one really comments on her read of Aquilla at this point.

 

Meanwhile, BFG is in the thread participating.  The vote count was AJ voting Aquilla and DPR voting Darthe and Sooh jumps in and throws a vote down on BFG, tying 3 wagons at 1 each:

 

On 6/22/2018 at 9:44 AM, Sooh said:

Vote: BFG

 

I need more! I'm sorry if it's due to time constraints, and you have until EOD to convince me otherwise, but currently, that's where I'm at. 

 

Shortly after BFG gives a reads list:

On 6/22/2018 at 10:27 AM, BFG said:

Ok read through, finding it difficult to find reads I'm confident in

 

DPR

 

Aquilla

ToR?

 

AJ

Zander?

 

 

Darthe/Krak/Sooh

 

DPR has more depth to his reads, focusing on mechanics is ~eh but his last scum game was "Dice is scum because of X" (unless I missed segments skimming  for votes) and

while I disagree with the arguments he's making there's depth to them

From his reads list the only one that stood out was Aquilla, most of the points made seem to be negative but he's reading him town

 

Aquilla feels more engaged than his scum game

 

TOR, AJ and Zander all seem fine, ToRs caution seems good and I think is more likely to stand out if mafia, I can believe Zanders paranoia, but miss the meta reads, need to follow that exchange with Sooh again

 

Darthe has been ~loud, but nothing in a way that seems AI, and I don't recall much from Sooh or Krak

 

In general the game still feels fairly superficial :/

 

I dislike Darthes mechanics suggestion, mostly because I disagree that much can be learned from superficial pressure (although in this case it does help with reading dpr so lolme?)

Notice she has Sooh near the bottom of the list without previously given a read on her.  Several people were town reading Sooh as well.  This seems like an odd play for teammates at this point, especially when both of them stuck around in thread for a while.  Here are a few reactions to BFG's reads list:

 

Sooh:

On 6/22/2018 at 10:29 AM, Sooh said:

That list of people, BFG, does it have town on top and scum on the bottom? Do you have nulls? Can you sort of communicate it to me a little clearer. I mean, I read your text, and I still can't figure out if I'm a null read or a scum read for you.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 10:32 AM, BFG said:

DPRs probably the only one I have as a town read ATM, everyone else is shades of null, no actual scum reads yet

 

On 6/22/2018 at 10:42 AM, BFG said:

I mean other than scum reading me now, I don't recall any stances from you and at the moment I'm not sure where your questions are going/informing your opinions. This isn't inherently scummy, but it's also not something I can feel good about

 

On 6/22/2018 at 10:46 AM, Sooh said:

I have a town read on Darthe which I have mentioned several times. I also, but perhaps more subtly, have a town read on Z and Tripped.

 

DPR asking about Aquilla:

On 6/22/2018 at 10:48 AM, DPR said:

@BFG you’ve played with Aquila - is he as transparent as he comes across, or is he possibly just getting his bearings, but capable of more?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 10:57 AM, BFG said:

I don't think I've ever seen him as town and I'm not sure what to make of the lack of depth so far, my read is based more on the timing of his engagement

This isn't that much after she's given him a light town read.

 

Me asking about her reads:

On 6/22/2018 at 10:56 AM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Of your bottom 3, is there a pair you see as likely teamed?  What about probably never teamed?  You kind of glossed over your read on AJ other than that he's probably fine, can you maybe expand on that one a bit more.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 11:06 AM, BFG said:

 

I don't think there's a pair in darthe/Sooh/Krak that I think are unlikely paired and I don't look for preflip teams

 

Darthe scum reading Krak doesn't mean much since I don't see Darthe defending a teammate that's in a general null to scum Poe, besides which he's not actually pushing Krak

 

 

AJ I typically actively scum read when I'm reading games he's scum in and I'm not this game, I'm not sure I can articulate why, lazy answer would be tone/gut but I don't think that's really what I read (more accurately it's a read I try not to overthink) and will evaluate with flips

 

logically I don't think he's out of scum range but that's probably paranoia

 

On 6/22/2018 at 11:31 AM, BFG said:

 

Lol, I'm not claiming a perfect reading ability<3 and to be clear it's generally dead thread me (as in spectator not killed) that scum reads scum AJ, I'm not sure the last game he was scum against me

 

Right now I don't think he's out of scum range, but I don't actively feel bad

She comments on Darthe scum reading Krak as not meaning much, but doesn't comment on any other combos.  The lack of a read on AJ is...weird to me.  I have no idea what to make of it.  I *think* scum!BFG would try to give a read on scum!AJ.  I don't know that this is how teammates treat each other.  More on this in a bit.    

 

Zander questioning the list:

On 6/22/2018 at 11:13 AM, BFG said:

It's not the reads, it's the mechanics discussion. Admittedly I skimmed the early game last time, but from what I recall it was literally the same argument "Dice is scum because distracting swear word discussion" that never developed and read more like pointing fingers. Here the argument about darthe mechanics is layered and changing, he's looking outside of the single point (read his thoughts on Aquilla) although I'm not sure why dpr's town reading him based on what was said

 

On 6/22/2018 at 10:50 AM, Zanatron said:

 

Im nopt seeing what I recall at least from Town!BFG and its making me sadface.gif.

 

It interesting we both feel exactly the opposite about DPR this game as I feel his back and forth with Darthe's OP was very similar to Scum!DPR's approach to Dice last game and you don't.

 

Also what reads in particular are you referring to from DPR that have more depth?

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:10 PM, BFG said:

 

Tbf I don't think I've been easy to read in most games for a year now (unless Chris is playing lol) :( 

 

To me, it's variations of the same thing

 

I like the layers to his mechanical progression, which is influencing his read on Darthe

I don't think there's any other way to explain though

 

Increasingly I'm liking the breadth to his thoughts

 

 

 

To Darthe:

On 6/22/2018 at 11:16 AM, BFG said:

Poe and I have least reason to feel good about you?

 

I've already said I have no active scum reads :p 

 

 

On 6/22/2018 at 11:54 AM, BFG said:

@Darthe is your read on my 'none reaction' based on how you think I react or someone in general? 

 

Also why are you scum reading Krak?

 

Asking Krak about why Darthe can't be scum.  She's currently got both of them in her PoE so questioning them about each other is ~okay.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 11:59 AM, BFG said:

@Krakalakachkn why doesn't scum darthe make that play? Can you talk about anyone else?

 

 

Now she's asking DPR, her town read about his read on Aquilla, who she also has a town lean on?

On 6/22/2018 at 12:13 PM, BFG said:

DPR - I don't recall you answering about Aquilla before 

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:16 PM, DPR said:

 

I didn't - read it while I was running errands and didn't have time to post. I just pointed out that you brought it up twice and i wanted to clear up my stance. 

 

Now she's calling both Krak and Darthe as people she'd doesn't feel great about, but caveats with not feeling great about it which is ~okay.  Been there myself.  

On 6/22/2018 at 12:36 PM, BFG said:

 

Gth Krak or Darthe but I don't feel great about my ~reads

 

So now AJ isn't stoked about BFG and adds his vote to the pile.  I don't think a teammate throws a second vote on BFG, and given the lack of a read on AJ earlier I have a really hard time seeing this as how teammates interact.

 

On 6/22/2018 at 12:47 PM, Andrej said:

Vote BFG

 

This hearts to do </3

 

On 6/22/2018 at 1:18 PM, BFG said:

Sorry, meeting friends for a drink and Deadpool so won't be around for a few hours

 

ToR - I haven't been able to properly dig in yet, so the reads I have are superficially similar to dead thread!me 

 

AJ - darthe full thoughts will have to wait till I'm back. Off the top of my head his read on me seems shallow (but is based primarily on the first few hours of posting) and not backed up with a vote, aggression seems to have dropped off (but may be time zones). Pretty much all my thoughts are this but that which leaves me null overall, mostly I feel better about other people

 

On 6/22/2018 at 2:28 PM, Lizabeth said:

Vote Count!

• Darthe - 1 - DPR
• BFG - 2 - Sooh, Andrej

Please notify us by PM if you see an error in this vote count! Thank you!

 

Votes marked :00 will count, :01 will not.  Day One ends at 8:00 PM Eastern time on Friday, 6/22.  

@Clovdyx

So that was everything up through  closer to EOD...

 

Sooh voted at a weird time.  Like BFG was here, interacting, posting.  Sooh drops a vote on BFG before she even has a chance to finish a full reads list.  The interact a bit over how they are reading other people, but Sooh never unvotes and BFG has Sooh as a scum read.  I mean, I could potentially see distancing here, but it just seems really...awkward timing wise.  And at that point, I don't think Sooh had committed to any reads other than Darthe and a weak town lean on me and Zander, but that was about it.  So she could have pushed on Aquilla a bit if she wanted or even Krak.  But didn't.

 

Her interactions/comments about AJ don't really seem like teammates either for reasons stated above.

 

The interaction with Aquilla are...interesting.  I can't tell if it's more likely to be pockety or teammates interacting to interact.  Like, as far as I could tell, her interaction with Aquilla was really the only game-focused interaction she initiated and she never really pushes it.  She just asks a few question and walks away from it with a very meh feel about it.  Her trying to get a feel from DPR on Aquilla is also worthy of note given she was giving both more of a townish lean. 

 

I still contend that scum!BFG probably doesn't list DPR as her strongest town read if they are teammates.

 

Zander pushed BFG on the inconsistency on her read on DPR.  I don't know if a teammate does that unless it's clear the ship is sinking.  That said Z just seems pretty towny to me.

 

So after all that...I still think Aquilla has the most teammate equity out of the bunch, followed by Sooh/Zander maybe?  

 

Hope this isn't super obnoxious, also hope i didn't mess up spoiler tags... (it probably will be; i probably did).

 

 

 

 

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, Aquilla said:

ha, you'll probably not get me in chaos tbh, I'm one of the most cautious people I know. But I'll gleefully watch.

 

We'll see

 

 

[DPR]

You remind me of Nolder

[Aquilla]

Just now, DPR said:

You remind me of Nolder

idk if that's a good thing or a bad thing tbh lol.