PotC Mafia Game - mafia won!!

[Dragoon]

6 minutes ago, Katiora said:

Honestly I had been trying to catch up I eventually chose to vote Calder because I didn't like his attitude. I didn't want a random lynch. And at the time I posted I didn't realize that Dice and Darthe had both just switched. I was trying to hurry and vote to prevent a random vote. I really didn't want the initial vote to go Amega because at least we were getting some information out of him, where calder was being difficult, not answering questions about his vote and concerns about him and calling himself scum. Honestly the only reason I hadn't voted Calder sooner was that I didn't like how you voted on him. And I understand how you explained it afterwards, but it still leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth that you didn't do more explanation in the post itself... I'm anxious to see how night ends. 

 

Sorry about that.

 

At the time I explained to Eldrick and dice who both challenged me on it, but if you ever want me to explain more feel free to ask.

 

8.Dragoon (25 of 50)

[Dragoon]

Ok I have RL stuff to go do before the little people wake up.

 

8.Dragoon (26 of 50)

[Cass]

4 minutes ago, amegakure said:

i felt me and eldrick (the only person on at the time) hashed it out. He made sense with his statement. As a town player im going to look at any and every possible avenue. You seem kinda jumpy why is that? 

 

I feel like you're getting defensive and not answering my question - I'm trying to understand why you asked it in the first place/what was going through your head in order to get a better read on you?

 

Were you asking whether it was logical? Was it rhetorical reflection? Was it self-doubt on the Town lean you'd given me? Was it canvassing to see how many people would jump on me following Calder's lead?

 

I'm not jumpy about it, just aware that it's a possible tactic wolves will try to use and thought bias Town can fall into.

[dicetosser1]

6 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

It's what came to mind with the knowledge of Calder's alignment. Dragoon's vote.

 

There's also the fact that dice switched to Calder off of you right at the end, but I couldn't make sense of what that could mean.

 

Eldrick2 

 

these types of posts are part of whats making you number two. you have seen me consolidate on trains heaps of times. you keep playing this "i dont understand" card and its raising my hackles

 

5 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

@dicetosser1 why am I your #2?

 

Eldrick2 

 

 

cause im pretty damned certain theres scum in you and amega. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

How did you go from wanting Amega dead all day to #1 Calder #2 Eldrick?

 

Eldrick2 

 

2 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Yeah I don't get why he switched. But if you are town, he went from town train to town train and there's nothing scummy about that.

There's the small factor of worrying about a pile on his own train, and getting Calder's bigger in a self-pres attempt, but that's meh. It was minutes before dl. 

I don't think his EoD actions are scummy.

 

Eldrick2 

 

answering these two

 

Cause i dont let lynches go random if i can help it. i literally voted him RIGHT ON dl.

 

I had time to read a couple posts come back to the page and thats when the others voted him. they were only just in the dl minute. 

 

2 hours ago, Cass said:

I don't think there would be a point to Scum Dice switching , unless he was scumming with Amega and there's some weird stubborn-distance-to-the-last-minute-and-switch gambit going on between them, and even I can put that level of tinfoil down.

 

I can't tell by the timestamp of 'x hrs ago' with no minutes, but Amega says votes were simultaneous - were they?

 

(From Dice/Darthe/Amega ?)

 

Depending on timing, Darthe and Amega's could be about pres.

 

 

it was right on 6 30 am

[amegakure]

48 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

I feel like you're getting defensive and not answering my question - I'm trying to understand why you asked it in the first place/what was going through your head in order to get a better read on you?

 

Were you asking whether it was logical? Was it rhetorical reflection? Was it self-doubt on the Town lean you'd given me? Was it canvassing to see how many people would jump on me following Calder's lead?

 

I'm not jumpy about it, just aware that it's a possible tactic wolves will try to use and thought bias Town can fall into.

 

Ok this is getting old. Just because im not answering something the way you think it should be answered or doesn't meet your personal criteria of an answer doesn't make me defensive. If you had just straight up laid out the specifics you could have saved two posts. I feel like every conversation i have with you is unnecessarily difficult and im starting to think its on purpose. I think i need to go back to verify but its feeling like just mentioning your name has you flooding the thread with what, whys, and hows. If you ask me that's defensive almost like your scared to be a focal point ITT without adamantly defending the notion you could be a suspect. 

 

To Answer Your Question: mostly curious, not rhetorical reflection (im not darthe) , i keep that off thread, read building to see what people had to say. ATPIT id say it wasn't self doubt but just an open minded thought i felt like discussing with however. 

[Eldrick4221]

44 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

these types of posts are part of whats making you number two. you have seen me consolidate on trains heaps of times. you keep playing this "i dont understand" card and its raising my hackles

 

 

 

cause im pretty damned certain theres scum in you and amega. 

 

 

 

 

answering these two

 

Cause i dont let lynches go random if i can help it. i literally voted him RIGHT ON dl.

 

I had time to read a couple posts come back to the page and thats when the others voted him. they were only just in the dl minute. 

 

 

it was right on 6 30 am

 

Ok this helps. It was a little convoluted, but I managed to parse out an answer.

 

You're sure there's scum in Amega and myself. You also want to consolidate.

You moved to Calder purely for consolidation. Btw did you think he was scum? You never gave the impression you did.

 

So Calder was #1 for consolidation. 

Amega and I were #2 and #3.

You tried to get a train going on me with Darthe because Amega wasn't happening, which was why I was above him.

 

Now, to address the bold. I'm sure I've seen it. I don't understand it. I don't get the mindset of consolidation over voting who you think is scum. I don't remember that you do it.

Can't do much about it raising your hackles. You're reading me incorrectly, and there isn't much I can do about that. You know me well enough to know I have a weird thought process, and you seem to be getting stuck on that.

 

Do you have reads outside of Amega and me?

 

Eldrick2 

[bgrishinko]

1 hour ago, Dragoon said:

 

Sorry mate,Calder's flip totally blindsided me.

 

I'll keep it in mind if I am still around next time.

 

I know it is kinda of a stupid question/null point (try not to brush it off), but who would you have voted if you weren't getting smashed by RL? 

 

8.Dragoon (21 of 50)

 

 

 

That's tough. I never feel confident in anything that's happening day 1. Best I get on day one is feelings, which are usually pretty good, but I never have anything good to back them up. When I try to find information to back up my feelings I end up doubting myself. 

[Eldrick4221]

Amega, I feel like you are just having trouble understanding what Cass is trying to say. I don't think she's intentionally confusing you. You two are having issues, and it's probably just a playstyle difference kinda thing. That's what it feels like, at least.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

3 minutes ago, bgrishinko said:

 

That's tough. I never feel confident in anything that's happening day 1. Best I get on day one is feelings, which are usually pretty good, but I never have anything good to back them up. When I try to find information to back up my feelings I end up doubting myself. 

 

Feelings are a fine reason to vote someone D1. Go with those to answer the question please.

 

Eldrick2 

[Cass]

Leaving for work in a sec but @amega I can already verify that nearly every post of mine will be filled with why, whats and hows - regardless of what it's looking at, that's just how I tick/try and get more info to judge whether motivation is real solving/consideration, or not. In doing so I'll ask open questions so the answer isn't influenced by my suspicion/concern.

 

And lol for the suspect thing, because this exact approach gathers that exact response like every game. There's a gif for that but I gotta get going.

 

[Cass]

6 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Ok this helps. It was a little convoluted, but I managed to parse out an answer.

 

You're sure there's scum in Amega and myself. You also want to consolidate.

You moved to Calder purely for consolidation. Btw did you think he was scum? You never gave the impression you did.

 

So Calder was #1 for consolidation. 

Amega and I were #2 and #3.

You tried to get a train going on me with Darthe because Amega wasn't happening, which was why I was above him.

 

Now, to address the bold. I'm sure I've seen it. I don't understand it. I don't get the mindset of consolidation over voting who you think is scum. I don't remember that you do it.

Can't do much about it raising your hackles. You're reading me incorrectly, and there isn't much I can do about that. You know me well enough to know I have a weird thought process, and you seem to be getting stuck on that.

 

Do you have reads outside of Amega and me?

 

Eldrick2 

 

I think the bottom bold is what bothers me most about Dice so far. 

 

The consolidation thing is null for him.

 

Sticking with his early gut reads is a thing TownDice definitely does but I'm back and forth on whether it's a little lacklustre/conviction almost. I'm used to the body-language signs meaning a very confident read.

 

Ok I'm seriously out. 

 

Next time I'll have a chance to sit down properly will be tomorrow sometime before heading in for nights.

[Eldrick4221]

2 hours ago, bgrishinko said:

I'm no coaster. Sometimes life hits me upside the head with busy. But I don't ever intentionally coast. This week my on-call has been a pain.

 

Good. If you are town I hope RL doesn't prevent you from showing it.

 

I said I need to look at you more closely because I haven't really worked too hard at figuring you out. There was a good bit where you didn't have enough content to work with. Some points were raised against your content that I dont think were properly addressed. After I get some sleep, I'm gonna go looking for that.

 

Eldrick2 

[Cass]

8 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Amega, I feel like you are just having trouble understanding what Cass is trying to say. I don't think she's intentionally confusing you. You two are having issues, and it's probably just a playstyle difference kinda thing. That's what it feels like, at least.

 

Eldrick2 

 

Thoughts on this for later. I thought he mentioned a similar approach of communication/exploration to me, so I don't understand the communication issue. idk

[Eldrick4221]

Cass. Stop reading and go to work.

 

[bgrishinko]

10 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Feelings are a fine reason to vote someone D1. Go with those to answer the question please.

 

Eldrick2 

 

Ignoring all trains, I'd probably have voted Cass. Just a hunch at this point.

[Eldrick4221]

Just now, bgrishinko said:

 

Ignoring all trains, I'd probably have voted Cass. Just a hunch at this point.

 

Thank you for answering. Any other reads, even if they are just hunches/feelings?

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

I seriously need to put my phone down and go to sleep. Bye. 

[bgrishinko]

Here's my feelings....

 

Good:
2. Eldrick - Running the show on activity, feels genuine so far.

 

???:

8. Dragoon - Noob D1 - Null, I'll worry about him more D2.

1. Darthe - Still same ol' Darthe, always an enigma to me.

6. Kat - *shrug*

 

Worries:

5. Amega - Said some weird stuff I don't agree with,

9. dice - Feels overly confident and grumpier than normal

7. Cass - General feeling of unease whenever he posts for some reason I'm unsure of.

 

[Dragoon]

5 minutes ago, bgrishinko said:

 

7. Cass - General feeling of unease whenever he posts for some reason I'm unsure of.

 

@Cass even mafia peeps think you wear the pants in our marriage... 

 

Ok off to get the kids off to school 

 

8.Dragoon (27 of 50)

 

 

[dicetosser1]

36 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Ok this helps. It was a little convoluted, but I managed to parse out an answer.

 

You're sure there's scum in Amega and myself. You also want to consolidate.

You moved to Calder purely for consolidation. Btw did you think he was scum? You never gave the impression you did.

 

So Calder was #1 for consolidation. 

Amega and I were #2 and #3.

You tried to get a train going on me with Darthe because Amega wasn't happening, which was why I was above him.

 

Now, to address the bold. I'm sure I've seen it. I don't understand it. I don't get the mindset of consolidation over voting who you think is scum. I don't remember that you do it.

Can't do much about it raising your hackles. You're reading me incorrectly, and there isn't much I can do about that. You know me well enough to know I have a weird thought process, and you seem to be getting stuck on that.

 

Do you have reads outside of Amega and me?

 

Eldrick2 

 

how could i have an idea of him one way or the other when hed posted a handful of times and said nothing in them really?

 

I consolidate a LOT. I DONT let lynches go random.

 

 

thinking cass is town. im probably getting owned again but its what i think.

leaning town on darthe too  cant really say why.

 

dragoon bg kat are null  not enuff to work with.

 

eldrick/amega   i think theres at LEAST 1 scum here   possible both but at least 1.

 

[dicetosser1]

3 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

@Cass even mafia peeps think you wear the pants in our marriage... 

 

Ok off to get the kids off to school 

 

8.Dragoon (27 of 50)

 

 

 

ive met her. She DOES wear pants.....

[bgrishinko]

Also I'm notorious for getting people's genders wrong in my typing when it dpesn't seem somewhat obvious by the name

[Dragoon]

7 minutes ago, bgrishinko said:

Also I'm notorious for getting people's genders wrong in my typing when it dpesn't seem somewhat obvious by the name

All good mate.

 

It was a poke at her (inside joke).

 

8.Dragoon (28 of 50)

 

 

[amegakure]

@dice thats fair and all but in this game a tie vote would have ended with either caldar or i getting the rand. Seems like a win/win for you? 

 

you think im scum / caldar is worth lynching for consolidation. Why does caldar take precedent? 

[amegakure]

45 minutes ago, bgrishinko said:

Here's my feelings....

 

Good:
2. Eldrick - Running the show on activity, feels genuine so far.

 

???:

8. Dragoon - Noob D1 - Null, I'll worry about him more D2.

1. Darthe - Still same ol' Darthe, always an enigma to me.

6. Kat - *shrug*

 

Worries:

5. Amega - Said some weird stuff I don't agree with,

9. dice - Feels overly confident and grumpier than normal

7. Cass - General feeling of unease whenever he posts for some reason I'm unsure of.

 

never got your replies to my questions? would you like me to ask them again in a different format? 

 

Also could you tell me what ive said you dont agree with?