The Founding of Quahog (Peter's Progress) Mafia - Game Over

[Turin Turambar]

I also found it amazingly bad how Ben came at me starting off this phase even after I had claimed. I think he thought I would be the easiest of mislynches. 

 

I really need a nap. 

[Shad_]

My wifi just went out. :( @ cellphone posting

[Shad_]

Basically my concern with Tiink is he's only really focused in the prime conversation of the moment. Turin vs Sooh, Shad vs Ben, BFG vs Clov are the only things he's had a say in--questions Turin's push and drops a vote there later, isn't really in the thread again to follow through before Turin's claim so ok. Takes my side over Ben in our initial argument but hasn't had much to say on it since and hasn't actually offered a take on me, just some negativity towards Ben. Same with BFG vs Clov--negative towards BFG but no take on the person she's arguing with.

 

Makes me wonder if he's just trying to fuel v/v violence from the sidelines without getting heavily involved. He sort of stopped talking about Ben coincidentally with other players calling us v/v. His interest in BFG seems to have dwindled as Chris and I are both starting to come around on her. I'm not seeing much independent progress here.

[Shad_]

Of course after I type all that crap on a phone my internet kicks back on

[Shad_]

 

Vote Count

 

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben

Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker

Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar

Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_

No Lynch - 1 - BFG

 

5 to lynch

 

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Darthe, Clov.

 

Trying to make sense of this lynch is not easy. I feel like it gives us such useless information. I can't even blame Shad for the outcome because a random lynch between 4 targets with one person on each train would be soo bad. I'm wariest of Verb and Clov for not voting and BFG for voting no lynch which imo is a bad play almost always unless you're near end game. The way that whole thing progressed just made it look like scum were just waiting around rather than actually trying to do anything.

 

Especially considering this, his lack of any content-based stance on Chris when he's presumably concerned with both Chris and BFG and Chris seems to have the upper hand in their argument is ehhhhhhhhh

[Shad_]

 

 

 

There are now things in thread that fundamentally conflict with my approach to playing as mafia

Do you agree with this statement?

 

 

Without knowing what she specifically is referring to, no.  She said that I should have came away with a town read for her no lynch.  I think that's a stretch - again, it's not damning (either in general or for her, specifically) but I don't think it's absolutely clearing.  When you and Tink were discussing how it would have been incredibly weird if she voted for someone and tied the wagons, I said THAT would have been clearing.  I think Mafia!BFG is too self-conscious/lacking in confidence in her ability to just come in and tie a lynch that she hasn't at least spoken for.  Maybe that applies to her voting no lynch there, but I don't know.

 

 

The bolded is the point. 

 

BFG can you clarify your voting strat last phase?

 

What did you mean by this? Chris is basically saying [something that never happened] would have been villagery but I'm not sure what to make of what did happen, maybe it's villagery too? but not as clear.

 

That wasn't really what you were getting at yesterday.  You had her as your prime suspect along with Chris and Verbal yesterday based on votes. 

[Verbal32]

I'm back.  Lost power in the storm last night, so I was late to work (carting perishables to my Mom's house across town where she has power) and therefore late to catch up.  Will do so around meeting this afternoon and be back real-time.

 

 

.....am I alive, btw?

[Shad_]

And then it's straight to this

 

We need input from more than 4 players.

No commentary on Ben in ages though you seemed to think he was suspicious yesterday and he's posted plenty since?

 

2/3 of the people you called suspects today argued with each other for a billion pages and you come back with zero stance on Clov, a vague agreement with something? about BFG plus asking her to clarify, and then a general where is everybody else.

 

I guess it's like

 

If the people you're most concerned about are the ones doing all the talking I would expect any villager to be interested in this. You don't ignore it entirely but you mostly stay out of it. You do ignore Chris entirely despite having him in your POE.

 

Alternatively from a scum POV the suspicion on Ben evaporates when it no longer looks like Ben's going to become a wagon and the suspicion on BFG and Clov evaporates when it no longer looks like either of them are going to become a wagon.

[Shad_]

Going to start my day now, cellphone pop ins but don't expect much activity until tonight

[Clovdyx]

Basically my concern with Tiink is he's only really focused in the prime conversation of the moment. Turin vs Sooh, Shad vs Ben, BFG vs Clov are the only things he's had a say in--questions Turin's push and drops a vote there later, isn't really in the thread again to follow through before Turin's claim so ok. Takes my side over Ben in our initial argument but hasn't had much to say on it since and hasn't actually offered a take on me, just some negativity towards Ben. Same with BFG vs Clov--negative towards BFG but no take on the person she's arguing with.

 

Makes me wonder if he's just trying to fuel v/v violence from the sidelines without getting heavily involved. He sort of stopped talking about Ben coincidentally with other players calling us v/v. His interest in BFG seems to have dwindled as Chris and I are both starting to come around on her. I'm not seeing much independent progress here.

 

This is partially why I was questioning him yesterday about the no lynch thing.  It's possible he's struggling to stay caught up because it seems like he's been traveling and hasn't really been around at all.  If that's something he actually cares about, that's fine...but why is it scummy/concerning?  His answer was basically, "It's more beneficial to mafia."  Okay....how?  I think most people can come up with a scenario or two mafia could NL there becuase they find it beneficial, but I don't know what he thinks the benefit is.

 

I'll take another look to see if I'm missing stuff from other topics, but off the top of my head, that analysis is pretty much correct.  I think I've asked him for other reads beyond his initial contributions a couple of times and got little to nothing.

[Shad_]

We need input from more than 4 players.

Isn't really the sort of thing that a player struggling to keep up says.

[Clovdyx]

I'll take another look to see if I'm missing stuff from other topics, but off the top of my head, that analysis is pretty much correct.  I think I've asked him for other reads beyond his initial contributions a couple of times and got little to nothing.

 

 

So early Saturday he obviously voted Turin because Turin was the one who had been the most weird to him.  Prior to that, the only definitive read he gave was saying that he felt good about Shad because Shad's interactions with Turin.  He had a couple of questions about/towards BFG and claimed that I was active but not taking a stance (I do remember he never followed up with that when I called him out for it).  

 

 

 

 

 

PSA:Taking a flight at 7pm GMT. I think that's deadline ish time. Will check in before.

 

Do you have any reads right now?

 

 

Soz, switched my phone off. It was 1 am. I honestly don't have good reads right now. I've played with Verb ages ago and I remember him taking a back seat early when both town and scum. I'm curious about BFG because she's made some statements which I didn't quite understand. Darthe has like 3 posts. I'm also unsure on you as well. You've been active, yet I haven't seen you take a stance against anyone.

 

 

The bolded wasn't me calling you out btw, I haven't really and neither have most people.

 

 

This reads almost like he's trying to sooth things over with me or appease me.  "Don't get mad - that's not meant to be an attack."

 

After that, the next stances he really took is what Shad referenced about the voting.  He questioned Ben about having BFG as his strongest townread, which makes sense if Tink thought she was suspicious for how she handled it, but there was really nothing else to her and nothing at all to me.  

 

Despite me giving him an opportunity to pursue it.

I'll take another look to see if I'm missing stuff from other topics, but off the top of my head, that analysis is pretty much correct.  I think I've asked him for other reads beyond his initial contributions a couple of times and got little to nothing.

 

 

So early Saturday he obviously voted Turin because Turin was the one who had been the most weird to him.  Prior to that, the only definitive read he gave was saying that he felt good about Shad because Shad's interactions with Turin.  He had a couple of questions about/towards BFG and claimed that I was active but not taking a stance (I do remember he never followed up with that when I called him out for it).  

 

[Clovdyx]

 

We need input from more than 4 players.

Isn't really the sort of thing that a player struggling to keep up says.

 

 

Eh, it could be if the collective Tom shuts up

[Shad_]

Considering you've been leaning town on Gg for a while now, where are you at in general?

[Shad_]

Apparently BFG is gg. gg?

[Shad_]

In general I don't see how town!Tiink can have a scum lean on Chris and not drop a single alignment-related comment about him.

 

I mean sure, Chris has been slanking hard and is barely ever in the thread so there isn't much to comment on

 

lulz

[Tiinker]

@Tiinker ordinarily I'd agree that lynching on Day 1 is important, but lynches don't always give info. Crushers didn't last game, Darthes didn't this game. In a closed setup where there's a potential for things to resolve at night, or for kills to not go through then no lynching can make sense although isn't preferable

 

I mean yeah, because no one voted. Pretty useless right?

[Verbal32]

Vote: Verbal

 

I get the feeling that much of his later D1 was spent trying to drive a wedge between Sooh and Shad. Like he was trying to prevent town core from forming. I dunno. I need to sleep more tonight stoopid getting up at 4 am 

 

 

 

We need input from more than 4 players.

Isn't really the sort of thing that a player struggling to keep up says.

 

[Verbal32]

 

@Tiinker ordinarily I'd agree that lynching on Day 1 is important, but lynches don't always give info. Crushers didn't last game, Darthes didn't this game. In a closed setup where there's a potential for things to resolve at night, or for kills to not go through then no lynching can make sense although isn't preferable

 

I mean yeah, because no one voted. Pretty useless right?

 

 

My catchup is a little blurry right now - what is your thought on BFG's NL vote?

[Verbal32]

 

Vote: Verbal

 

I get the feeling that much of his later D1 was spent trying to drive a wedge between Sooh and Shad. Like he was trying to prevent town core from forming. I dunno. I need to sleep more tonight stoopid getting up at 4 am 

 

 

 

We need input from more than 4 players.

Isn't really the sort of thing that a player struggling to keep up says.

 

 

 

Where the hell did my actual responses to this go?

 

Who runs this place?!

[Verbal32]

 

Vote: Verbal

 

I get the feeling that much of his later D1 was spent trying to drive a wedge between Sooh and Shad. Like he was trying to prevent town core from forming. I dunno. I need to sleep more tonight stoopid getting up at 4 am 

 

 

 

We need input from more than 4 players.

Isn't really the sort of thing that a player struggling to keep up says.

 

 

 

@Turin

 

This makes no sense.  I blue read Ben and green read Sooh.  How exactly is that NOT trying to "form a town core"??  And a wedge between Shad and Sooh?  No kidding, I was pressuring Shad and calling Sooh a townie.  Your post makes no sense to me here, and that vote is pretty weak as a result, sorry.

 

 

 

@Shad

 

It sounded like Tiink was in a not-so-subtle way trying to point the finger at the rest of us.  No specifics outside of what you and Clov mention as the "hot topics of the moment", just a general "look that way" type of post.

[Tiinker]

Basically my concern with Tiink is he's only really focused in the prime conversation of the moment. Turin vs Sooh, Shad vs Ben, BFG vs Clov are the only things he's had a say in--questions Turin's push and drops a vote there later, isn't really in the thread again to follow through before Turin's claim so ok. Takes my side over Ben in our initial argument but hasn't had much to say on it since and hasn't actually offered a take on me, just some negativity towards Ben. Same with BFG vs Clov--negative towards BFG but no take on the person she's arguing with.

 

Makes me wonder if he's just trying to fuel v/v violence from the sidelines without getting heavily involved. He sort of stopped talking about Ben coincidentally with other players calling us v/v. His interest in BFG seems to have dwindled as Chris and I are both starting to come around on her. I'm not seeing much independent progress here.

 

I've focused on the voting from Day 1 and I'm trying to get an understanding of the people around at the moment yeah. I haven't really had much to say on Ben because he has pretty consistently directed his posts towards you and dropped town reads on BFG. I've asked him about both and it hasn't adapted and I just asked him to develop on it. I'm not sure what else you want me to do until that happens. I don't see how I'm fueling v/v violence. I really don't see how I'm fueling violence between BFG and Clov considering Clov doesn't even seem to agree with my take on BFG judging from the tone of his posts generally. Their argument has a different basis to the one I presented. 

 

I feel like you're town but you're floundering here. 

[Tiinker]

 

 

Vote: Verbal

 

I get the feeling that much of his later D1 was spent trying to drive a wedge between Sooh and Shad. Like he was trying to prevent town core from forming. I dunno. I need to sleep more tonight stoopid getting up at 4 am 

 

 

 

We need input from more than 4 players.

Isn't really the sort of thing that a player struggling to keep up says.

 

 

 

@Turin

 

This makes no sense.  I blue read Ben and green read Sooh.  How exactly is that NOT trying to "form a town core"??  And a wedge between Shad and Sooh?  No kidding, I was pressuring Shad and calling Sooh a townie.  Your post makes no sense to me here, and that vote is pretty weak as a result, sorry.

 

 

 

@Shad

 

It sounded like Tiink was in a not-so-subtle way trying to point the finger at the rest of us.  No specifics outside of what you and Clov mention as the "hot topics of the moment", just a general "look that way" type of post.

 

 

I mean, I am pointing the finger at you and I said before we needed your input.

[Tiinker]

 

 

@Tiinker ordinarily I'd agree that lynching on Day 1 is important, but lynches don't always give info. Crushers didn't last game, Darthes didn't this game. In a closed setup where there's a potential for things to resolve at night, or for kills to not go through then no lynching can make sense although isn't preferable

 

I mean yeah, because no one voted. Pretty useless right?

 

 

My catchup is a little blurry right now - what is your thought on BFG's NL vote?

 

 

Check page 42-43. I think that should be the bulk of what you need.

[Shad_]

@Shad

 

It sounded like Tiink was in a not-so-subtle way trying to point the finger at the rest of us.  No specifics outside of what you and Clov mention as the "hot topics of the moment", just a general "look that way" type of post.

My take if Tiink is scum is that it was more a way of saying "hey look at me I'm here and participating unlike these other people".

 

If he's town then /shrug but basically I don't agree with Chris humoring that he might just be behind.