The Founding of Quahog (Peter's Progress) Mafia - Game Over

[BFG]

The point isntvthatvyou should have been town reading me. The point is that you say you're null reading me, but aren't really. You're 'withholding a read', 'my quietness COULD be nai' etc (paraphrased) the phrasing used implies a scum read before you actually said it

 

But your low activity/impact is based off posts made before the game really started (this game had a slowish start) and although not as blatant as the lovers game (being concerned that I'm not obvious 5 pages in was odd) that game had a faster start and the state of the thread 15 pages in this time wasn't dissimilar.

 

Which is why the Cory comparison is relevant, he was slow to start (although obvious before end of day) but your read there was more straightforward/felt more honest (not sure of the words)

[Andrej]

36 hours.

[Tiinker]

 

 

There are now things in thread that fundamentally conflict with my approach to playing as mafia

Do you agree with this statement?

 

 

Without knowing what she specifically is referring to, no.  She said that I should have came away with a town read for her no lynch.  I think that's a stretch - again, it's not damning (either in general or for her, specifically) but I don't think it's absolutely clearing.  When you and Tink were discussing how it would have been incredibly weird if she voted for someone and tied the wagons, I said THAT would have been clearing.  I think Mafia!BFG is too self-conscious/lacking in confidence in her ability to just come in and tie a lynch that she hasn't at least spoken for.  Maybe that applies to her voting no lynch there, but I don't know.

 

 

The bolded is the point. 

 

BFG can you clarify your voting strat last phase?

[Tiinker]

We need input from more than 4 players.

[BFG]

/mafia me most likely votes Darthe earlier in the phase or doesn't vote at all. I have a history of not voting so few people would blink twice and Darthe is a case of 'feeling better about people playing etc vote darthe' (inb4Verbreactstoselfmeta)

 

I put about 2 seconds thought into the vote and it was mostly to try and get something I thought could be AI from Chris

 

 

 

And the vote is only part of it, again the point isn't that it should be clearing (and I never said it was, I said either it was town me or it's mafia me specifically trying to level Chris) it's that he 'disregarded' it. Sooh, shad (possibly verb/turin) were all going to look squinty at me for that vote, Shad flagged it earlier and even if he hadn't DMs typical reaction to no lynch isn't exactly a secret. It's something I would expect Chris to look at and question ~something, he didn't until after I flagged it

[Clovdyx]

The point isntvthatvyou should have been town reading me. The point is that you say you're null reading me, but aren't really. You're 'withholding a read', 'my quietness COULD be nai' etc (paraphrased) the phrasing used implies a scum read before you actually said it

 

But your low activity/impact is based off posts made before the game really started (this game had a slowish start) and although not as blatant as the lovers game (being concerned that I'm not obvious 5 pages in was odd) that game had a faster start and the state of the thread 15 pages in this time wasn't dissimilar.

 

Which is why the Cory comparison is relevant, he was slow to start (although obvious before end of day) but your read there was more straightforward/felt more honest (not sure of the words)

 

If the bold is about this game, that's not even remotely close to what I said - or implied.  I was pretty much up caught up Friday night and saw very little from you that gave me good feelings.  You hadn't posted a whole lot, and a decent amount of it was fluff.  I couldn't care less that you were posting off-topic stuff (and if I want to be stupid could probably argue the more you do it longer, the better it looks for you), but I do care that it wasn't joined by some real substance.

 

I've correctly read you very early in a lot of games, and I've cleared you in games before I opened the thread (admittedly, those tend to be games I'm not playing so I can afford to be wrong if you happen to be playing out of your mind).   

[Clovdyx]

/mafia me most likely votes Darthe earlier in the phase or doesn't vote at all. I have a history of not voting so few people would blink twice and Darthe is a case of 'feeling better about people playing etc vote darthe' (inb4Verbreactstoselfmeta)

 

I put about 2 seconds thought into the vote and it was mostly to try and get something I thought could be AI from Chris

 

 

 

And the vote is only part of it, again the point isn't that it should be clearing (and I never said it was, I said either it was town me or it's mafia me specifically trying to level Chris) it's that he 'disregarded' it. Sooh, shad (possibly verb/turin) were all going to look squinty at me for that vote, Shad flagged it earlier and even if he hadn't DMs typical reaction to no lynch isn't exactly a secret. It's something I would expect Chris to look at and question ~something, he didn't until after I flagged it

 

 

 

 I'm pretty sure I covered at least some of that last night

 

I don't believe his reaction to eod1

 

I don't believe that he'd have me as anything as null from the first half of day 1 yet he's 'withholding a read' which implies something (contrast with his null read on Cory in the bt game for low participation, or how he treats his scum reads in that game)

 

Chris understands my mafia game better than anyone else playing this game. There are now things in thread that fundamentally conflict with my approach to playing as mafia that he's apparently ignoring in favour of a relatively shallow 'low impact' read

 

[Clovdyx]

 

/mafia me most likely votes Darthe earlier in the phase or doesn't vote at all. I have a history of not voting so few people would blink twice and Darthe is a case of 'feeling better about people playing etc vote darthe' (inb4Verbreactstoselfmeta)

 

I put about 2 seconds thought into the vote and it was mostly to try and get something I thought could be AI from Chris

 

 

 

And the vote is only part of it, again the point isn't that it should be clearing (and I never said it was, I said either it was town me or it's mafia me specifically trying to level Chris) it's that he 'disregarded' it. Sooh, shad (possibly verb/turin) were all going to look squinty at me for that vote, Shad flagged it earlier and even if he hadn't DMs typical reaction to no lynch isn't exactly a secret. It's something I would expect Chris to look at and question ~something, he didn't until after I flagged it

 

 

 I'm pretty sure I covered at least some of that last night

 

I don't believe his reaction to eod1

 

I don't believe that he'd have me as anything as null from the first half of day 1 yet he's 'withholding a read' which implies something (contrast with his null read on Cory in the bt game for low participation, or how he treats his scum reads in that game)

 

Chris understands my mafia game better than anyone else playing this game. There are now things in thread that fundamentally conflict with my approach to playing as mafia that he's apparently ignoring in favour of a relatively shallow 'low impact' read

 

 

 

Then what am I ignoring?  

[BFG]

That my game is defined more by what I do as mafia than what I do as town and this isn't my mafia game

[BFG]

Anyway I need to reread and I'll try to do so without bias

[Clovdyx]

That my game is defined more by what I do as mafia than what I do as town and this isn't my mafia game

 

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[Clovdyx]

I would give anything for you to have seen my face when I read that.

[Shad_]

/mafia me most likely votes Darthe earlier in the phase or doesn't vote at all. I have a history of not voting so few people would blink twice and Darthe is a case of 'feeling better about people playing etc vote darthe' (inb4Verbreactstoselfmeta)

 

I put about 2 seconds thought into the vote and it was mostly to try and get something I thought could be AI from Chris

 

 

 

And the vote is only part of it, again the point isn't that it should be clearing (and I never said it was, I said either it was town me or it's mafia me specifically trying to level Chris) it's that he 'disregarded' it. Sooh, shad (possibly verb/turin) were all going to look squinty at me for that vote, Shad flagged it earlier and even if he hadn't DMs typical reaction to no lynch isn't exactly a secret. It's something I would expect Chris to look at and question ~something, he didn't until after I flagged it

This actually makes a lot more sense to me and is reasonably in line with what she did at EoD as town last game.

[Shad_]

It still trips me out to be reading BFG by things I think she wouldn't do as scum instead of by an ocean of villagery comments, but

[BFG]

I know you've called me town early before, I also know in games where I've been absent you've struggled to read me

 

I said in the signup thread that I couldn't camp in thread, that's been true of the past 3 games and I know that I'm not an easy read because people expect me to be

 

But not feeling good about someone isntva reason to feel bad. In matrix I posted maybe 20 times in a 5 day Day 1 and you were null starting to feel bad and did something about it when I was in thread. In Tainted minds Cory was slow to start and you were null reading him for it while being open that you expect more

 

This game feels different (because if I understand your posts you're actively stopping a scum read, but the read is based on stuff that's nai and feels wrong). The timing of your read feels like the lovers game (and the 5 page reference was to that and no I haven't checked that it was 5 pages, but it was early in game) I guess I could say the read lacks thread context but I'm not sure that makes much more sense

 

You reconsidering your read is null because it's coming after I've questioned it

[BFG]

I would give anything for you to have seen my face when I read that.

Pic or it didn't happen

[Shad_]

I'm basically giving Ben a pass for tunneling the hell out of me without much of an opinion on the rest of the field and

 

I'm basically giving BFG a pass for leveling stuff and

 

I'm basically giving Verb a pass for the weekend and

 

Tiink is offering reasonable commentary but I don't think it's outside of his scum range at all and

 

Chris has been the most involved player who isn't me but BFG thinks he might be a wolf and

 

We're potentially 36 hours from gg

 

Where is my village

[Clovdyx]

BFG - 

 

 

I don't like not voting so I'm going to vote to not vote instead of not voting.

There was a reason. I won't claim it's a good one though

 

 

Is this about me?

[Clovdyx]

 

/mafia me most likely votes Darthe earlier in the phase or doesn't vote at all. I have a history of not voting so few people would blink twice and Darthe is a case of 'feeling better about people playing etc vote darthe' (inb4Verbreactstoselfmeta)

 

I put about 2 seconds thought into the vote and it was mostly to try and get something I thought could be AI from Chris

 

 

 

And the vote is only part of it, again the point isn't that it should be clearing (and I never said it was, I said either it was town me or it's mafia me specifically trying to level Chris) it's that he 'disregarded' it. Sooh, shad (possibly verb/turin) were all going to look squinty at me for that vote, Shad flagged it earlier and even if he hadn't DMs typical reaction to no lynch isn't exactly a secret. It's something I would expect Chris to look at and question ~something, he didn't until after I flagged it

This actually makes a lot more sense to me and is reasonably in line with what she did at EoD as town last game.

 

 

lol sick x-post?  I was actually going through her ISO to see what she had said about anyone BUT me, and I saw that and after her comment there, it stuck out really obviously.  

[BFG]

It still trips me out to be reading BFG by things I think she wouldn't do as scum instead of by an ocean of villagery comments, but

[Shad_]

If someone plans to clear themselves with a claim they better not wait until 30 minutes from EoD to do it.

[BFG]

BFG -

 

 

I don't like not voting so I'm going to vote to not vote instead of not voting.

There was a reason. I won't claim it's a good one though

Is this about me?

Yes

[BFG]

@Tiinker ordinarily I'd agree that lynching on Day 1 is important, but lynches don't always give info. Crushers didn't last game, Darthes didn't this game. In a closed setup where there's a potential for things to resolve at night, or for kills to not go through then no lynching can make sense although isn't preferable

[Shad_]

I need to relook at why I didn't trust Chris at all prior to close to end of N1 and see if there was more to it than him and BFG not jiving.

[BFG]

Anyway, meetings this afternoon, I'll be back after work