[Game Thread] Aspiring Tennis Enthusiasts, GRATS MAFIA

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG?

Well you’d lose your #1 crutch of a reason to be voting me right now. So there’s that.

Gimme something better. There was no cause for crutches after D1. If that is the wolf team then tell me why they dont bring back its own member there? Youve harped on and on about why you dont bring BFG back against you, well why does the wolf team not do this?

Could be numerous reasons and combos of several. At the end of the day, you know why you did lol.

 

I think BFG had the most of it correct though. You couldn’t kill all of me, Nyn and Sooh so keeping me alive was beneficial in this context because the idea had already been proposed by players you knew were town. Kill them, keep me and rezz BFG to enforce it. Maybe you didn’t know who the symp was and that was a factor in all of it. I think the crux though is that you knew you’d have to beat one of me, Sooh and Nyn and thus having wifom on your side irt made me the more attractive choice.

 

So your read of me comes down to wifom. Got it.

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

If you really want to go into meta, look at any forum game I've played as scum. I have not been in the game past d1

If you really want to go into meta I vanish under any pressure as scum

 

Mechanical speculation is the easiest thing to contribute as scum and your iso is free from much else

yes I've been saying a lot of mechanical things, but I also love to talk about mechanics in general, which is also why I wasn't too fond of the format of the Championships. Any iso of me in a game will reveal that I talk about mechanics (MMPR is probably the game that's most indicative of it). I've talked about overall reads here and there, but I'm not as confident in that stuff because I don't know most of you guys, therefore I chat about stuff that I am comfortable with.

I read the championship game (some of) you're capable of making reads on players you don't know.

 

Day 1 you said you'd pick up Day 2, but you've dropped in presence (although I'll accept other reasons for that) but your attempt to read players is also lacking

 

I guess I'll iso again to see what overall reds I'm ~missing

 

 

I tried to read players I didn't know in the championship game, because I had to as there wasn't any funky mechanics I could get my head around. You keep comparing this game to the Champs one when that was probably my worst game as town.

[BFG]

 

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

 

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

No, Day 1 you had votes because people thought you were scummy and had LZM was null

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG?

Well you’d lose your #1 crutch of a reason to be voting me right now. So there’s that.

Gimme something better. There was no cause for crutches after D1. If that is the wolf team then tell me why they dont bring back its own member there? Youve harped on and on about why you dont bring BFG back against you, well why does the wolf team not do this?

Because they don't know the symp

 

So SK/Ben is the symp? Whatcha go to support that? Or is it a guess that supports your theory?

[Andrej]

Aquilla with all due respect, I know you’re saying what you gotta say to survive.

 

You said you hate claiming scum. Your activity has been in bursts with long absences in between and most of what you’ve talked about is speculation without any sort of hard stances. You’re a sub in. RWSTFO isn’t just a thing on MU, you know. The signs are there even if I didn’t know you were scum in this situation already.

[Lenlo]

 

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

No, Day 1 you had votes because people thought you were scummy and had LZM was null

 

Null after his apathetic voting of himself and clear refusal to play the game? Null when AJ called it a towny apathy?

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

 

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG?

Well you’d lose your #1 crutch of a reason to be voting me right now. So there’s that.

Gimme something better. There was no cause for crutches after D1. If that is the wolf team then tell me why they dont bring back its own member there? Youve harped on and on about why you dont bring BFG back against you, well why does the wolf team not do this?

Could be numerous reasons and combos of several. At the end of the day, you know why you did lol.

 

I think BFG had the most of it correct though. You couldn’t kill all of me, Nyn and Sooh so keeping me alive was beneficial in this context because the idea had already been proposed by players you knew were town. Kill them, keep me and rezz BFG to enforce it. Maybe you didn’t know who the symp was and that was a factor in all of it. I think the crux though is that you knew you’d have to beat one of me, Sooh and Nyn and thus having wifom on your side irt made me the more attractive choice.

 

So your read of me comes down to wifom. Got it.

Ok, I lol'd <3

[BFG]

 

 

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

No, Day 1 you had votes because people thought you were scummy and had LZM was null

Null after his apathetic voting of himself and clear refusal to play the game? Null when AJ called it a towny apathy?

AJ said it could be towny apathy (I think)

[Aquilla]

Aquilla with all due respect, I know you’re saying what you gotta say to survive.

 

You said you hate claiming scum. Your activity has been in bursts with long absences in between and most of what you’ve talked about is speculation without any sort of hard stances. You’re a sub in. RWSTFO isn’t just a thing on MU, you know. The signs are there even if I didn’t know you were scum in this situation already.

 

I don't know what RWSTFO is. I was legitimately busy most of Sunday, and I had a splitting headache and started multiballing Monday, that is not alignment indicative.

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Final Match:

AJ (3) - Aquilla, Lenlo, Ben

Aquilla (2) - AJ, BFG

 

 

Votes are not locked.  The result will be determined at deadline.

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

No, Day 1 you had votes because people thought you were scummy and had LZM was null

Null after his apathetic voting of himself and clear refusal to play the game? Null when AJ called it a towny apathy?

AJ said it could be towny apathy (I think)

 

 

I think Nyn was pushing that more, and AJ just kindof lamely agreed with it.

[Gentled Ben]

Aquilla with all due respect, I know you’re saying what you gotta say to survive.

 

You said you hate claiming scum. Your activity has been in bursts with long absences in between and most of what you’ve talked about is speculation without any sort of hard stances. You’re a sub in. RWSTFO isn’t just a thing on MU, you know. The signs are there even if I didn’t know you were scum in this situation already.

What does that abbreviation stand for? This is like the third time I've seen it this game, so maybe it's common and important.

[Andrej]

Ben, I know you don’t care because you’re playing to your new wincon but my play D2 was a direct reaction to the way the Night played out.

 

It’s literally my job as a townie to recognize scum play and call it out. The NKs and bracket setting was as good as a flare gun for me to see what was happening.

[Lenlo]

 

Aquilla with all due respect, I know you’re saying what you gotta say to survive.

 

You said you hate claiming scum. Your activity has been in bursts with long absences in between and most of what you’ve talked about is speculation without any sort of hard stances. You’re a sub in. RWSTFO isn’t just a thing on MU, you know. The signs are there even if I didn’t know you were scum in this situation already.

 

I don't know what RWSTFO is. I was legitimately busy most of Sunday, and I had a splitting headache and started multiballing Monday, that is not alignment indicative.

 

Rand

Wolf

Sub

The

F***

Out

[Gentled Ben]

Ben, I know you don’t care because you’re playing to your new wincon but my play D2 was a direct reaction to the way the Night played out.

 

It’s literally my job as a townie to recognize scum play and call it out. The NKs and bracket setting was as good as a flare gun for me to see what was happening.

 

Ben, I know you don’t care because you’re playing to your new wincon but my play D2 was a direct reaction to the way the Night played out.

 

It’s literally my job as a townie to recognize scum play and call it out. The NKs and bracket setting was as good as a flare gun for me to see what was happening.

I understand that you have to stick with this. 

[Andrej]

Rand Wolf Sub The F Out.

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

Aquilla with all due respect, I know you’re saying what you gotta say to survive.

 

You said you hate claiming scum. Your activity has been in bursts with long absences in between and most of what you’ve talked about is speculation without any sort of hard stances. You’re a sub in. RWSTFO isn’t just a thing on MU, you know. The signs are there even if I didn’t know you were scum in this situation already.

 

I don't know what RWSTFO is. I was legitimately busy most of Sunday, and I had a splitting headache and started multiballing Monday, that is not alignment indicative.

 

Rand

Wolf

Sub

The

F***

Out

 

So whenever Rand's a wolf, he just subs out, both here and on MU?

 

J/K Thanks. I get it now.

[Andrej]

I should’ve gone to bed hours ago.

[Lenlo]

It happens to some people. Others don sub out. Depends on the person but it'd happened enough to get its own acronym

[Gentled Ben]

I should’ve gone to bed hours ago.

Right? I have things to do, but I'm glued to this game.

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do

So is yours.

Objectively not true.

 

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

 

LZM reacted well to new info in the few posts he had, but honestly a very weak town read.

 

Verb null by himself, town through situation

 

You've had a complete tonal shift since subbing back in and have no depth to your arguments (no argument beyond svum action speculation) and have shown no interest in determining the alignments of anyone (minus liking some meaningless questions from Aquilla, ironically you were scum reading me for meaningless questions Day 1 - something you've forgotten about in your current read on me btw)

 

Lenlo has mostly avoided talking about Aqyilla, hasn't do e much to solve, had very different reactions to being voted out against LZM and Aquilla

 

Aquilla has peaced out and offered nothing beyond game spec

 

Most of this is in thread

AJ has relied on WIFOM from the minute the flips were revealed. He opened with it and did not stop, even when Lenlo asked him to, until today, when he tried to change tactics before reverting back to it. The # of posts Zander has made in a previous game has nothing to do with this game. Lies and obfuscation, respectively.

 

What does LZM have to do with your arguments being based on possible scum tactics? Same with Verb, this is a list of reads. We know your "reads" already.

 

I've been more aggressive in this game after coming out of my bout of self pity, both in slot 1 and in slot 2. The "tonal shift" began in slot 1. My read on you is scum. How is that different from my D1 read on you as scum? More lies.

 

Lenlo has tried to solve, but by all accounts he is a wolfy villager, and his effort looks the same to me here as the other games I've seen him in. If you and AJ weren't so obviously the scum team to me, I might buy it. LAM and Aquilla are different players, and he was matched against them at different stages. Why would his reactions be the same? Muddled arguments.

 

Agreed. Where is Aquilla? He should be here. Is that AI? If so, why?

 

Yes, most of this IS in thread; that's how I was able to easily debunk it. You're getting desperate and sloppy.

Where are the lies exactly?

 

It's not obfuscation, high volume and leading are very very different things, but I appreciate you don't necessarily have the experience yet to know that. You're the one pushing wifom, because your entire argument is wifom. The fact you won't admit it (because you cant lol) doesn't change that. AJ has been defending against this, because it's the ONLY argument made.

 

LZM and Verb are important because it's necessary to solve the game. All town need to vote together. I'm confident in my read because I have reads on everyone (except arguably Verb, and I'd prefer my read on lM to be stronger) you're leaving the third open because you only need one to vote with you, leaving them open doubles your chance of one voting with you

 

You haven't bothered expanding your read on me beyond wifom since you subbed back in. Saying that isn't a lie and I haven't said that you didn't scum read me

 

Aquillas shown up and has self confessed to hating scum so yes absence is important

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

AJ opened D2 with WIFOM! Sooh suggested it, Nyn and I discussed it, and then he killed all three of us and immediately picked it up and started running with it, trying to defuse and discredit it while relying upon it for victory. It likely would have worked had I not been subbed back in and begun challenging him on it. It still might work. He has played a brilliant game, and so have you. Props to you, but I will not concede.

 

There was no reason to expand the read. What expansion do you need? Different levels of scumminess? Your name in brighter shades of red? You have been my scum read since D1, and you were a solid lynch against AJ both days, so why bother further with you, when it was AJ who was carrying the baton for the scum team? He's the horse you guys have placed your bets on, so he's the one to stop.

Yes, when you have a scum read you latch on and push. Especially when asked for a read beyond wifom for 3 days

 

And you keep stating that this is a brilliant 'play' and wow 'aren't they good' but it isn't and you keep avoiding answering the obvious questions,

 

And (since I missed it last time) your tone change was when you subbed in and isn't about how aggressive you are, but how deep your arguments are

[BFG]

LZM you need to come back and make a decision!

[Gentled Ben]

I've answered all of the questions. For three days, you have asked me the same questions over and over and received the same answers. You're a scum stump, and I'm growing tired of your logic loop.

 

I don't recall putting forth any deep arguments on D1. Probably the best one I had was to let me play instead of Sooh because I need the town practice. Since then, the layout of the game has been obvious, and that is the only argument that anyone has presented since N1. The only difference is in who the scum team is, not what the scum play is. I say the scum team is you and AJ, and you say my arguments lack depth, even though your arguments are the same, except that in them, you and AJ are town. Impasse...

[Aquilla]

I mean I've actually subbed out as wolf a lot, or just not posted. I've posted here whenever I've had time.

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

No, Day 1 you had votes because people thought you were scummy and had LZM was null

Null after his apathetic voting of himself and clear refusal to play the game? Null when AJ called it a towny apathy?

AJ said it could be towny apathy (I think)

I think Nyn was pushing that more, and AJ just kindof lamely agreed with it.

Could be isn't a town read from either and besides the point is Lenlo wasn't being voted because he was losing to apathy, he was being voted because he was scum read. So his change in reactions make no sense