[Game Thread] Aspiring Tennis Enthusiasts, GRATS MAFIA

[Andrej]

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely.

This argument is in the context that you and Lenlo don’t win a head to head D2 against town BFG and AJ. So you guys opted to force D3.

[BFG]

If you really want to go into meta, look at any forum game I've played as scum. I have not been in the game past d1

If you really want to go into meta I vanish under any pressure as scum

 

Mechanical speculation is the easiest thing to contribute as scum and your iso is free from much else

[Aquilla]

 

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely. 

 

can you explain this argument, or link me to it?

 

 

we were arguing about what the goons would do in placement wise, AJ was saying that they'd put themselves against each other in order to get farther in the tournament, while I was saying that the scum would want to split up to get better chances at winning overall

[Lenlo]

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG? 

[Aquilla]

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

 

except you directly said that you thought scum would go against each other to get further, and that's what I'm saying, you're either purposely putting yourself against your partner BFG or you're the symp and you had no control over it. There is literally no other option.

[Aquilla]

 

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely.

This argument is in the context that you and Lenlo don’t win a head to head D2 against town BFG and AJ. So you guys opted to force D3.

 

 

except I still have to beat you if I'm scum, so there's no point in delaying it... and I told you that yesterday. My opinion on that matter is no different.

[Verbal32]

 

 

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely. 

 

can you explain this argument, or link me to it?

 

 

we were arguing about what the goons would do in placement wise, AJ was saying that they'd put themselves against each other in order to get farther in the tournament, while I was saying that the scum would want to split up to get better chances at winning overall

 

 

Ok, I thought so.

 

I actually think scum paired themselves up D1.  It is the ONLY way to ensure 100% that they don't lose D1, right?

 

BFG vs AJ

SK vs Aquilla

Lenlo vs LZM

 

Nyn and Sooh flipped town, so those matchups are removed.  Both scum, IMO, are in the above 3 brackets.

 

@Aquilla

 

What is the best reason why the scum team isn't you & SK?

[Andrej]

 

 

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely.

This argument is in the context that you and Lenlo don’t win a head to head D2 against town BFG and AJ. So you guys opted to force D3.

except I still have to beat you if I'm scum, so there's no point in delaying it... and I told you that yesterday. My opinion on that matter is no different.

The face off is inevitable either way. So risk it D2 or ensure a 50/50 shot and hope the wifom pays off? The longer it drags out the more chance that it sticks.

[Verbal32]

The D2 matchups, for reference:

 

AJ vs BFG
Lenlo vs Aquilla

[Aquilla]

 

If you really want to go into meta, look at any forum game I've played as scum. I have not been in the game past d1

If you really want to go into meta I vanish under any pressure as scum

 

Mechanical speculation is the easiest thing to contribute as scum and your iso is free from much else

 

 

yes I've been saying a lot of mechanical things, but I also love to talk about mechanics in general, which is also why I wasn't too fond of the format of the Championships. Any iso of me in a game will reveal that I talk about mechanics (MMPR is probably the game that's most indicative of it). I've talked about overall reads here and there, but I'm not as confident in that stuff because I don't know most of you guys, therefore I chat about stuff that I am comfortable with.

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely. 

 

can you explain this argument, or link me to it?

 

 

we were arguing about what the goons would do in placement wise, AJ was saying that they'd put themselves against each other in order to get farther in the tournament, while I was saying that the scum would want to split up to get better chances at winning overall

 

 

Ok, I thought so.

 

I actually think scum paired themselves up D1.  It is the ONLY way to ensure 100% that they don't lose D1, right?

 

BFG vs AJ

SK vs Aquilla

Lenlo vs LZM

 

Nyn and Sooh flipped town, so those matchups are removed.  Both scum, IMO, are in the above 3 brackets.

 

@Aquilla

 

What is the best reason why the scum team isn't you & SK?

 

 

lol because I'm town. The SK slot is the scummiest slot overall I will agree, the only real thing that I can refute it is that I know I'm town.

[Andrej]

 

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG?

Well you’d lose your #1 crutch of a reason to be voting me right now. So there’s that.

[BFG]

 

 

 

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do

So is yours.

Objectively not true.

 

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

 

LZM reacted well to new info in the few posts he had, but honestly a very weak town read.

 

Verb null by himself, town through situation

 

You've had a complete tonal shift since subbing back in and have no depth to your arguments (no argument beyond svum action speculation) and have shown no interest in determining the alignments of anyone (minus liking some meaningless questions from Aquilla, ironically you were scum reading me for meaningless questions Day 1 - something you've forgotten about in your current read on me btw)

 

Lenlo has mostly avoided talking about Aqyilla, hasn't do e much to solve, had very different reactions to being voted out against LZM and Aquilla

 

Aquilla has peaced out and offered nothing beyond game spec

 

Most of this is in thread

AJ has relied on WIFOM from the minute the flips were revealed. He opened with it and did not stop, even when Lenlo asked him to, until today, when he tried to change tactics before reverting back to it. The # of posts Zander has made in a previous game has nothing to do with this game. Lies and obfuscation, respectively.

 

What does LZM have to do with your arguments being based on possible scum tactics? Same with Verb, this is a list of reads. We know your "reads" already.

 

I've been more aggressive in this game after coming out of my bout of self pity, both in slot 1 and in slot 2. The "tonal shift" began in slot 1. My read on you is scum. How is that different from my D1 read on you as scum? More lies.

 

Lenlo has tried to solve, but by all accounts he is a wolfy villager, and his effort looks the same to me here as the other games I've seen him in. If you and AJ weren't so obviously the scum team to me, I might buy it. LAM and Aquilla are different players, and he was matched against them at different stages. Why would his reactions be the same? Muddled arguments.

 

Agreed. Where is Aquilla? He should be here. Is that AI? If so, why?

 

Yes, most of this IS in thread; that's how I was able to easily debunk it. You're getting desperate and sloppy.

Where are the lies exactly?

 

It's not obfuscation, high volume and leading are very very different things, but I appreciate you don't necessarily have the experience yet to know that. You're the one pushing wifom, because your entire argument is wifom. The fact you won't admit it (because you cant lol) doesn't change that. AJ has been defending against this, because it's the ONLY argument made.

 

LZM and Verb are important because it's necessary to solve the game. All town need to vote together. I'm confident in my read because I have reads on everyone (except arguably Verb, and I'd prefer my read on lM to be stronger) you're leaving the third open because you only need one to vote with you, leaving them open doubles your chance of one voting with you

 

You haven't bothered expanding your read on me beyond wifom since you subbed back in. Saying that isn't a lie and I haven't said that you didn't scum read me

 

Aquillas shown up and has self confessed to hating scum so yes absence is important

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

[Lenlo]

 

 

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG?

Well you’d lose your #1 crutch of a reason to be voting me right now. So there’s that.

 

Gimme something better. There was no cause for crutches after D1. If that is the wolf team then tell me why they dont bring back its own member there? Youve harped on and on about why  you dont bring BFG back against you, well why does the wolf team not do this?

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely.

This argument is in the context that you and Lenlo don’t win a head to head D2 against town BFG and AJ. So you guys opted to force D3.

except I still have to beat you if I'm scum, so there's no point in delaying it... and I told you that yesterday. My opinion on that matter is no different.

The face off is inevitable either way. So risk it D2 or ensure a 50/50 shot and hope the wifom pays off? The longer it drags out the more chance that it sticks.

 

 

also the longer the game goes, the longer I'd have to keep up the act, on a site that I'm not familiar with, with people that I don't usually play with. The dragging out making it stick thing is not as much as fatigue for mafia.

[Lenlo]

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

 

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

[BFG]

 

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG?

Because mafia didn't know who the symp was?

 

If I was symp then win, they have 2 chances to beat AJ

 

 

If I'm not there's maximum wifom and we're in this situation

 

 

Can you offer anything beyond wifom for why we're scum?

[Andrej]

 

 

 

 

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely.

This argument is in the context that you and Lenlo don’t win a head to head D2 against town BFG and AJ. So you guys opted to force D3.

except I still have to beat you if I'm scum, so there's no point in delaying it... and I told you that yesterday. My opinion on that matter is no different.

The face off is inevitable either way. So risk it D2 or ensure a 50/50 shot and hope the wifom pays off? The longer it drags out the more chance that it sticks.

also the longer the game goes, the longer I'd have to keep up the act, on a site that I'm not familiar with, with people that I don't usually play with. The dragging out making it stick thing is not as much as fatigue for mafia.

Bro you ghosted for like 36 hours and pop up now before the buzzer. You’re not “keeping up” anything.

[Andrej]

 

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

 

Resignation? Because atleast in D2 there were legit reasons for voting me, while in D1 I was losing to apathy. Emotion rarely has valid reasons BFG.

What better reasons were there to vote you over Aquilla D2? I wanna hear it from the horse’s mouth.

[Lenlo]

 

 

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG?

Because mafia didn't know who the symp was?

 

If I was symp then win, they have 2 chances to beat AJ

 

 

If I'm not there's maximum wifom and we're in this situation

 

 

Can you offer anything beyond wifom for why we're scum?

 

Overreaction, tunneling on the tinfoil to the exclusion of most else, AtE reaction at the start of D3, lackluster arguments involving post counts as if that proves anything. Thats off the top of my head.

[BFG]

 

 

If you really want to go into meta, look at any forum game I've played as scum. I have not been in the game past d1

If you really want to go into meta I vanish under any pressure as scum

 

Mechanical speculation is the easiest thing to contribute as scum and your iso is free from much else

yes I've been saying a lot of mechanical things, but I also love to talk about mechanics in general, which is also why I wasn't too fond of the format of the Championships. Any iso of me in a game will reveal that I talk about mechanics (MMPR is probably the game that's most indicative of it). I've talked about overall reads here and there, but I'm not as confident in that stuff because I don't know most of you guys, therefore I chat about stuff that I am comfortable with.

I read the championship game (some of) you're capable of making reads on players you don't know.

 

Day 1 you said you'd pick up Day 2, but you've dropped in presence (although I'll accept other reasons for that) but your attempt to read players is also lacking

 

I guess I'll iso again to see what overall reds I'm ~missing

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

 

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do

So is yours.

Objectively not true.

 

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

 

LZM reacted well to new info in the few posts he had, but honestly a very weak town read.

 

Verb null by himself, town through situation

 

You've had a complete tonal shift since subbing back in and have no depth to your arguments (no argument beyond svum action speculation) and have shown no interest in determining the alignments of anyone (minus liking some meaningless questions from Aquilla, ironically you were scum reading me for meaningless questions Day 1 - something you've forgotten about in your current read on me btw)

 

Lenlo has mostly avoided talking about Aqyilla, hasn't do e much to solve, had very different reactions to being voted out against LZM and Aquilla

 

Aquilla has peaced out and offered nothing beyond game spec

 

Most of this is in thread

AJ has relied on WIFOM from the minute the flips were revealed. He opened with it and did not stop, even when Lenlo asked him to, until today, when he tried to change tactics before reverting back to it. The # of posts Zander has made in a previous game has nothing to do with this game. Lies and obfuscation, respectively.

 

What does LZM have to do with your arguments being based on possible scum tactics? Same with Verb, this is a list of reads. We know your "reads" already.

 

I've been more aggressive in this game after coming out of my bout of self pity, both in slot 1 and in slot 2. The "tonal shift" began in slot 1. My read on you is scum. How is that different from my D1 read on you as scum? More lies.

 

Lenlo has tried to solve, but by all accounts he is a wolfy villager, and his effort looks the same to me here as the other games I've seen him in. If you and AJ weren't so obviously the scum team to me, I might buy it. LAM and Aquilla are different players, and he was matched against them at different stages. Why would his reactions be the same? Muddled arguments.

 

Agreed. Where is Aquilla? He should be here. Is that AI? If so, why?

 

Yes, most of this IS in thread; that's how I was able to easily debunk it. You're getting desperate and sloppy.

Where are the lies exactly?

 

It's not obfuscation, high volume and leading are very very different things, but I appreciate you don't necessarily have the experience yet to know that. You're the one pushing wifom, because your entire argument is wifom. The fact you won't admit it (because you cant lol) doesn't change that. AJ has been defending against this, because it's the ONLY argument made.

 

LZM and Verb are important because it's necessary to solve the game. All town need to vote together. I'm confident in my read because I have reads on everyone (except arguably Verb, and I'd prefer my read on lM to be stronger) you're leaving the third open because you only need one to vote with you, leaving them open doubles your chance of one voting with you

 

You haven't bothered expanding your read on me beyond wifom since you subbed back in. Saying that isn't a lie and I haven't said that you didn't scum read me

 

Aquillas shown up and has self confessed to hating scum so yes absence is important

 

Lenlo reacted with ATE when against LZM and didn't care against Aquilla. The Day 2 matchup was arguably more important, why would he care less?

 

AJ opened D2 with WIFOM! Sooh suggested it, Nyn and I discussed it, and then he killed all three of us and immediately picked it up and started running with it, trying to defuse and discredit it while relying upon it for victory. It likely would have worked had I not been subbed back in and begun challenging him on it. It still might work. He has played a brilliant game, and so have you. Props to you, but I will not concede.

 

There was no reason to expand the read. What expansion do you need? Different levels of scumminess? Your name in brighter shades of red? You have been my scum read since D1, and you were a solid lynch against AJ both days, so why bother further with you, when it was AJ who was carrying the baton for the scum team? He's the horse you guys have placed your bets on, so he's the one to stop.

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

 

 

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely.

This argument is in the context that you and Lenlo don’t win a head to head D2 against town BFG and AJ. So you guys opted to force D3.

except I still have to beat you if I'm scum, so there's no point in delaying it... and I told you that yesterday. My opinion on that matter is no different.

The face off is inevitable either way. So risk it D2 or ensure a 50/50 shot and hope the wifom pays off? The longer it drags out the more chance that it sticks.

also the longer the game goes, the longer I'd have to keep up the act, on a site that I'm not familiar with, with people that I don't usually play with. The dragging out making it stick thing is not as much as fatigue for mafia.

Bro you ghosted for like 36 hours and pop up now before the buzzer. You’re not “keeping up” anything.

 

 

ghosting is not alignment indicative and that has already been explained. Wasn't feeling well last night so I left this thread, and when I was back online I was only on MU in comparison to looking over here, because that's what I'm used to doing. Then I slept and now I'm at work and talking to you while I'm at work.

[Andrej]

 

 

 

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG?

Well you’d lose your #1 crutch of a reason to be voting me right now. So there’s that.

Gimme something better. There was no cause for crutches after D1. If that is the wolf team then tell me why they dont bring back its own member there? Youve harped on and on about why you dont bring BFG back against you, well why does the wolf team not do this?

Could be numerous reasons and combos of several. At the end of the day, you know why you did lol.

 

I think BFG had the most of it correct though. You couldn’t kill all of me, Nyn and Sooh so keeping me alive was beneficial in this context because the idea had already been proposed by players you knew were town. Kill them, keep me and rezz BFG to enforce it. Maybe you didn’t know who the symp was and that was a factor in all of it. I think the crux though is that you knew you’d have to beat one of me, Sooh and Nyn and thus having wifom on your side irt made me the more attractive choice.

[BFG]

 

 

 

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?

What do wolves gain from it?

 

Tell me, assume thats the wolf team, why not sub Ben/SK back in instead of BFG?

Well you’d lose your #1 crutch of a reason to be voting me right now. So there’s that.

Gimme something better. There was no cause for crutches after D1. If that is the wolf team then tell me why they dont bring back its own member there? Youve harped on and on about why you dont bring BFG back against you, well why does the wolf team not do this?

Because they don't know the symp