[Game Thread] Aspiring Tennis Enthusiasts, GRATS MAFIA

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

@Verbal: I think I was killed specifically because I was onboard with Sooh's suspicions about BFG and AJ. Otherwise, they would have brought me back to lynch me again. The fact that AJ began spouting that very thing the minute the flips were in convinced me in the DT that he was scum and BFG was his partner. He was trying to disarm the suspicion by stating it outright and calling it tinfoil while riding it to D3. Now he is doing anything he can, name-calling, self pity, more railing against the tinfoiling, to get that short term victory that scum rely upon. He only has to last one more round, and he only needs one or two to buy in.

Ok, but then why wouldn't scum!AJ and scum!BFG just pair themselves against Lenlo/Aquilla on D2? AJ's defending of BFG as town and his reasonable consensus as town would have put them in a very solid spot for a D2 win....so why? This is probably the most important explanation of the game, btw.

Because putting BFG inthe bracket beside AJ gives them a guaranteed slot in D3. There is no risk there, and all they have to do is tie at that point. They've both played well so far, so why shouldn't that work? That's why.

I've been lynched twice, how is that playing well

*Points to AJ in the final bracket*

Don't be disingenuous. It doesn't become you.

Ok, I was scum read by half the game

 

This is not a good game for me regardless of my alignment

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

@AJ

 

This is not tinfoil.......but you and Nyn were pretty clear townies coming out of the D1 matches, and Nyn was permanently killed. Why weren't you? Why leave one of the 2 hardest working players alive when they had an opportunity to kill them both? And why kill Ben? I can see the Sooh kill - she's a solid townie and was clearly showing as much.....I was in doubt, so leaving me alive makes sense......but why kill Ben?

 

Let's be honest, Ben was going to be lynchbait each match - if I'm scum, I leave him alive. I also don't see why bring town!BFG back makes sense for scum.

Options to NK were you, me, Ben, lzm, sk. Lzm/sk were both absent, you and I were scum reading each other (which is a nice distraction for the thread) and Ben was being town read

 

Sooh, AJ, Nyn were the NK choices from the winners , all were strongly town read.

 

Pitting AJ/me creates the most wifom, and nobody has offered a case beyond that

 

By who? At most, I had some leaning town reads with most people feeling iffy about me. Let's be real here: I suck at playing town. Verbal is right that I would just be lynchbait. For crying out loud, I was so town read this game that I didn't get emo about being sussed. Oh, wait...

[Gentled Ben]

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do

So is yours.

[BFG]

 

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do

So is yours.

Objectively not true.

 

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

 

LZM reacted well to new info in the few posts he had, but honestly a very weak town read.

 

Verb null by himself, town through situation

 

You've had a complete tonal shift since subbing back in and have no depth to your arguments (no argument beyond svum action speculation) and have shown no interest in determining the alignments of anyone (minus liking some meaningless questions from Aquilla, ironically you were scum reading me for meaningless questions Day 1 - something you've forgotten about in your current read on me btw)

 

Lenlo has mostly avoided talking about Aqyilla, hasn't do e much to solve, had very different reactions to being voted out against LZM and Aquilla

 

Aquilla has peaced out and offered nothing beyond game spec

 

Most of this is in thread

[Verbal32]

Another question: if BFG and I are the scum together, who is our symp? Everyone has checked in minus Aquilla and he and I can’t be scum together.

 

Why isn’t there another person voting with me already? It’s all or nothing this phase.

 

Fair point, and why I want to hear from LZM.

 

 

 

 

He’s been here already. Could’ve voted but didn’t.

 

Why delay?

Apathy. Laziness. I dont. Im not a fan, but I cant vote him.

 

 

Don't assume - LZM might have been waiting for me to chime in (it's what I would have done).

 

 

 

Verb, you said earlier that I was the lynchpin, but I'm already lynched so :P

 

More seriously what do you doubt?

 

The lynchpin to me understanding AJ's alignment and whether any of this tinfoil stuff is real.

[BFG]

 

 

 

@AJ

 

This is not tinfoil.......but you and Nyn were pretty clear townies coming out of the D1 matches, and Nyn was permanently killed. Why weren't you? Why leave one of the 2 hardest working players alive when they had an opportunity to kill them both? And why kill Ben? I can see the Sooh kill - she's a solid townie and was clearly showing as much.....I was in doubt, so leaving me alive makes sense......but why kill Ben?

 

Let's be honest, Ben was going to be lynchbait each match - if I'm scum, I leave him alive. I also don't see why bring town!BFG back makes sense for scum.

Options to NK were you, me, Ben, lzm, sk. Lzm/sk were both absent, you and I were scum reading each other (which is a nice distraction for the thread) and Ben was being town read

 

Sooh, AJ, Nyn were the NK choices from the winners , all were strongly town read.

 

Pitting AJ/me creates the most wifom, and nobody has offered a case beyond that

By who? At most, I had some leaning town reads with most people feeling iffy about me. Let's be real here: I suck at playing town. Verbal is right that I would just be lynchbait. For crying out loud, I was so town read this game that I didn't get emo about being sussed. Oh, wait...

I was town reading you, AJ was town reading you, I think Sooh was maybe slight town on you. Nyn was scum reading you and everyone else was quiet

[Verbal32]

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

This part I disagree with.  AJ can lead as scum, too.

[BFG]

I know what you meant Verb, but I'm here to answer questions,

[Verbal32]

I need to reread D1 and look for symp hinting.

 

Back in a bit.

[BFG]

 

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

This part I disagree with. AJ can lead as scum, too.

There's leading and leading. AJ can have great thread presence and high influence etc, but he has never pushed a game like he has here (at least not on DM)

 

I guess in a 30 page game that's probably off

[Lenlo]

 

He’s been here already. Could’ve voted but didn’t.

 

Why delay?

Apathy. Laziness. I dont. Im not a fan, but I cant vote him.

 

 

 

Don't assume - LZM might have been waiting for me to chime in (it's what I would have done).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im judging based on everything hes done this game. I would be pleasantly surprised if he showed up with anymore more than a vote and a gl. 

[Aquilla]

 

 

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do

So is yours.

Objectively not true.

 

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

 

LZM reacted well to new info in the few posts he had, but honestly a very weak town read.

 

Verb null by himself, town through situation

 

You've had a complete tonal shift since subbing back in and have no depth to your arguments (no argument beyond svum action speculation) and have shown no interest in determining the alignments of anyone (minus liking some meaningless questions from Aquilla, ironically you were scum reading me for meaningless questions Day 1 - something you've forgotten about in your current read on me btw)

 

Lenlo has mostly avoided talking about Aqyilla, hasn't do e much to solve, had very different reactions to being voted out against LZM and Aquilla

 

Aquilla has peaced out and offered nothing beyond game spec

 

Most of this is in thread

 

 

oi for the record, you try playing on a site you're not used to checking a lot and be active all the time. I have been absent so far this phase, but there is a multitude of reasonings for that (I will go through them all if you really want me to) and it is by no means indicative of anything.  As of yesterday I thought the game could potentially end after Lenlo and BFG dying, but obviously I was wrong and AJ is scum

[Aquilla]

There is literally 2 worlds, one where AJ is a goon and one where he is the symp.

If he's a goon, he almost certainly has to be with BFG as the other goon, and the symp could be just about everyone (most likely Verbal but not guaranteed).

If he's the symp then BFG is town, and Lenlo is a goon with someone else, likely SK/Ben.

[Aquilla]

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely. 

[Andrej]

The symp getting voted off by the two goons at game end.

 

Imagine that.

[Lenlo]

...

Wat?

[BFG]

 

 

 

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do

So is yours.

Objectively not true.

 

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

 

LZM reacted well to new info in the few posts he had, but honestly a very weak town read.

 

Verb null by himself, town through situation

 

You've had a complete tonal shift since subbing back in and have no depth to your arguments (no argument beyond svum action speculation) and have shown no interest in determining the alignments of anyone (minus liking some meaningless questions from Aquilla, ironically you were scum reading me for meaningless questions Day 1 - something you've forgotten about in your current read on me btw)

 

Lenlo has mostly avoided talking about Aqyilla, hasn't do e much to solve, had very different reactions to being voted out against LZM and Aquilla

 

Aquilla has peaced out and offered nothing beyond game spec

 

Most of this is in thread

oi for the record, you try playing on a site you're not used to checking a lot and be active all the time. I have been absent so far this phase, but there is a multitude of reasonings for that (I will go through them all if you really want me to) and it is by no means indicative of anything. As of yesterday I thought the game could potentially end after Lenlo and BFG dying, but obviously I was wrong and AJ is scum

Glad you're back, and I've played offsite, I've also read your champs game, you have huge variance in your posting so I'm not going to attempt to meta read you, but you know how to make reads

 

Why is AJ scum?

[Aquilla]

The symp getting voted off by the two goons at game end.

 

Imagine that.

 

it's entirely possible, they could think the other person is the symp. I do think option one is a lot more likely given 1. How you've treated BFG, especially in the second round of the tournament, and 2. Your argument about the Goons facing each other to guarantee moving on.

[BFG]

Actually scratch that question

[Aquilla]

 

 

 

 

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do

So is yours.

Objectively not true.

 

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

 

LZM reacted well to new info in the few posts he had, but honestly a very weak town read.

 

Verb null by himself, town through situation

 

You've had a complete tonal shift since subbing back in and have no depth to your arguments (no argument beyond svum action speculation) and have shown no interest in determining the alignments of anyone (minus liking some meaningless questions from Aquilla, ironically you were scum reading me for meaningless questions Day 1 - something you've forgotten about in your current read on me btw)

 

Lenlo has mostly avoided talking about Aqyilla, hasn't do e much to solve, had very different reactions to being voted out against LZM and Aquilla

 

Aquilla has peaced out and offered nothing beyond game spec

 

Most of this is in thread

oi for the record, you try playing on a site you're not used to checking a lot and be active all the time. I have been absent so far this phase, but there is a multitude of reasonings for that (I will go through them all if you really want me to) and it is by no means indicative of anything. As of yesterday I thought the game could potentially end after Lenlo and BFG dying, but obviously I was wrong and AJ is scum

Glad you're back, and I've played offsite, I've also read your champs game, you have huge variance in your posting so I'm not going to attempt to meta read you, but you know how to make reads

 

Why is AJ scum?

 

 

In all honesty, if I didn't know he was scum now, I still don't think I'd believe it. AJ's play has been better than mine, there is no denying that, but I am town. The world that makes the most sense is if you and him are goons together. Based on what I described in my past few posts.

[Aquilla]

If you really want to go into meta, look at any forum game I've played as scum. I have not been in the game past d1

[Aquilla]

If you really want to go into meta, look at any forum game I've played as scum. I have not been in the game past d1

 

yes this is a different type of game in that sense, but the point is still there, I've tended to just crumble as mafia.

[Verbal32]

Based on how AJ treated the argument about the goons placing themselves against each other in order to guarantee making it farther in the tournament, I think option 1 is slightly more likely. 

 

can you explain this argument, or link me to it?

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do

So is yours.

Objectively not true.

 

AJ is town because he's out of scum range. He can post a lot as mafia, over 500 times in Julius Caesar, but comparatively townZander posted over 1000 times. High volume and leading are very different things. He's consistently worked to keep wifom about game spec to a minimum and tried to solve.

 

LZM reacted well to new info in the few posts he had, but honestly a very weak town read.

 

Verb null by himself, town through situation

 

You've had a complete tonal shift since subbing back in and have no depth to your arguments (no argument beyond svum action speculation) and have shown no interest in determining the alignments of anyone (minus liking some meaningless questions from Aquilla, ironically you were scum reading me for meaningless questions Day 1 - something you've forgotten about in your current read on me btw)

 

Lenlo has mostly avoided talking about Aqyilla, hasn't do e much to solve, had very different reactions to being voted out against LZM and Aquilla

 

Aquilla has peaced out and offered nothing beyond game spec

 

Most of this is in thread

 

AJ has relied on WIFOM from the minute the flips were revealed. He opened with it and did not stop, even when  Lenlo asked him to, until today, when he tried to change tactics before reverting back to it. The # of posts Zander has made in a previous game has nothing to do with this game. Lies and obfuscation, respectively.

 

What does LZM have to do with your arguments being based on possible scum tactics? Same with Verb, this is a list of reads. We know your "reads" already.

 

I've been more aggressive in this game after coming out of my bout of self pity, both in slot 1 and in slot 2. The "tonal shift" began in slot 1. My read on you is scum. How is that different from my D1 read on you as scum? More lies.

 

Lenlo has tried to solve, but by all accounts he is a wolfy villager, and his effort looks the same to me here as the other games I've seen him in. If you and AJ weren't so obviously the scum team to me, I might buy it. LAM and Aquilla are different players, and he was matched against them at different stages. Why would his reactions be the same? Muddled arguments.

 

Agreed. Where is Aquilla? He should be here. Is that AI? If so, why?

 

Yes, most of this IS in thread; that's how I was able to easily debunk it. You're getting desperate and sloppy.

[Andrej]

My read on BFG is justified. I know you’re not going to do anything with that because we both know, but it’s all laid out in the thread since D1 opened and I have went to bat on it countless times now. It’s not even a wifom situation - I was over that before D1 ended and the D2 play is literally what cemented that read. I could’ve continued treating BFG as town without having to face off with her again. That’s the factor you, Ben and, Lenlo all don’t really want to talk about. The path to victory was already paved without me having to flip my lid and force the issue with everyone. What do I gain from that as scum?