[Game Thread] Aspiring Tennis Enthusiasts, GRATS MAFIA

[Andrej]

Not really.

 

Just makes me wonder why you're worth keeping around, Super Senior.

[LedZepMan]

I would argue that you shouldn't wonder about that and instead either ignore what I'm doing cuz even I don't know what I'm doing, or kill me off.

[LedZepMan]

And that's a low blow. Super Senior. Pffft. Super Duper Senior

[Gentled Ben]

I'm only at the bottom of page 31. I'm not going to be able to catch up any time soon. If I catch up at work tonight, it will be in single quote posts. @Verbal: My vote is because Nyn seems totally town, not because you seem scum. @everone else: Whatever. Sometimes I get butthurt, and I dont' care if it's unappealing. @ Nyn: The game is easier to solve after D1, when you have at least one reveal (sometimes two with a NK), and that's when I start to feel more comfortable. I know that you always come out of the starting gate all "Solve! Solve! Solve! Everybody Solve right now!" and that it's not specifically directed at me but rather at everyone who is not all over the scent like a bloodhound, the way you are, but I am a slow, patient solver, so you will just have to be frustrated with me and clear me out as one of the less useful ones, as you have said you will. If I get to stick around as a stump, I will do my slow, patient solving thing, and if not, see you next game. 

 

AJ and Sooh... thoughts on Ben?

Getting back to this. I did a quick skim of his ISO from Suicide Squad and Tainted Minds, and I’m still undecided. He did the “I suck as town” thing in SS as the IC so meh. It wasn’t to this extent though. I need a bigger sample and there’s not a ton of stuff for him to react to this game so far. The reads on me and Sooh are about it plus his list where he had Lenlo as an town read as well. I’d like to hear about that.

 

Lenlo seemed solvy, and he still does. The "let's lynch active, obvious townies" strategy that he and Sooh entertained worried me some, but I still have a slight town feel on him, and in his pairing, he seems more town than LZM, who is more detached and cautious than he has seemed to me in his other town games, so I have a slight scum read on LZM. My vote in that bracket stays.

 

 

Tennis Libre?

Where's Jack Black when ya need him.
And whose the angry tennis player?

 

 

I.......worked today?

 

 

I got 12-1 odds I make it to Final 4

 

 

 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

#YOLO

What’s the scoop

99.9% wanting to poke the thread

0.1% absolute garbage town read on LZM

 

 

The 3 posts from LZM were his only ones in the thread before BFG's post.  It makes no sense to me, other than something to say when asked a game-related question.

 

[v]BFG[/v]

 

 

Yeah, if I wasn't already voting for her, I would vote for her now. BFG is the only one who feels really off to me. Most of her early comments were just chatter or gifs, and her questioning at this point seems scattershot and shallow, aimed more at looking like she's on the hunt rather than actually hunting. Unless someone does something that stands out to me early on, I dont' really hunt early--I observe, but BFG hunts, and I don't see her hunting. If she wasn't on the verge of getting lynched already, I'd be pressing her as scum to be lynched, but it seems moot, so I'll just leave my vote there.

 

At this point I think it's worth discussing that scums will be able to eliminate two winners from the tournament ENTIRELY. That means if we vote all the solvey people to win their pairings, two of them will surely be eliminated.

I'm not entirely sure how this should be balanced with voting to eliminate scummy people, but it's worth thinking about I think.

Supposing that the two first pairings, BFG/AJ and Verb/Nyn, are all town. The most vocal people in those pairings are Nyn and AJ at this point. If they both win, they can both be eliminated by the scums during N1 (as well as one of the losers from said pairs, so we could risk losing 3/4 of them). As for the smartest way to play this I'm not sure. If we think all 4 are town, should we vote for the most vocal ones, ensuring that at least one of them is around to lead town during the next phases?

Our priority is to hopefully resolve the game this phase. Ie try to eliminate as many scum as possible. Hopefully all. I am not going to get lost in the strategizing you're suggesting. Them eliminating townies is equivalent to NKs. Yes town is gonna take a loss during the night if the game isnt resolved today. We should still aspire to leave a pool of players that are town telling and get rid of the players that are either pinging or arent doing anything so we can resolve them.

 

Yeah, I think it's a bad idea to intentionally lynch town, but I also think it's okay to think outside the box, especially in a weird set up like this, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy to suggest it, as odd as that may sound. 

 

forgive me, but I'm also not extremely prevy to care TOO much this phase as a lot of the solving part of the game will come in the next phase.

Yeah, same here. 

 

 

 

 

I’m sticking with my original theory that goon!BFG probably doesn’t pick to match with another high volume player. Her worry about Sooh town reading her “easily” is par for the course id say but not a hard angle to play as scum. I agree with her about Ben at least. The only problem I have so far is a little tinfoil about her maybe being a symp because of the Spidey/Deadpool gif. I’m waiting to see more from Verb before I let that go anywhere but my back pocket though.

Why Verb?

Because of the gif you posted of Deadpool hugging Spidey and saying “friends”. The one I pointed out not soon after D1 kicked off

 

 

Even though I'm voting BFG and I didn't like her response about the LZM "garbage read", I still don't think symp!BFG makes this obvious of a hint.

 

I claimed mafia when I was the mafia traitor and they still didn't notice it, so I think the gif was subtle, if anything. Props to AJ for catching it, as I think she is either scum or the symp.

 

 

 

I’m sticking with my original theory that goon!BFG probably doesn’t pick to match with another high volume player. Her worry about Sooh town reading her “easily” is par for the course id say but not a hard angle to play as scum. I agree with her about Ben at least. The only problem I have so far is a little tinfoil about her maybe being a symp because of the Spidey/Deadpool gif. I’m waiting to see more from Verb before I let that go anywhere but my back pocket though.

Yeah, Ben's the obvious scum because Sooh is so town. No wait, because he's always scum. No wait, because he's "off." Perfect pairing if Sooh is scum, as I have no chance against her as long as she doesn't lurk.

I don't understand this attitude, have you even been lynched day 1 as town? Afaik last game was the first and you were mafia symp?

 

Yes. I was lynched D1 my first game as town, died as town D1 in my second game when my lover (also town) was lynched D1, then killed D1 by a town vig in my third game when I was town, and I had lots of votes as IC before I claimed. Anyway, I had forgotten what the actual comment about me had been, but on my catch up just now, I see that it was if I'm scum, then you think AJ is the symp, which is not the same as saying I'm scum, which is what I thought the comment must have been. 

 

I have to go to work now. I'll try to catch up some more later on.

 

BFG is scum. 

Nyn is town.

The rest are one or the other, but I already listed some leanings, and those really haven't changed much. I'm town, but you're going to lynch me anyway, so I dont' really feel invested in the game, and I dont' care if you don';t like it, so we're still at square one there, too,

[Andrej]

You guys understand that just because you don't win your bracket matchup doesn't knock you completely out of the game - right?

 

I don't see the need for apathy. You should want to town tell and be readable, that way later on when there won't be any flips minus the three players killed on N1, we can still form a town core and vote accordingly.

 

If you are town, and you believe the person you are "against" is town, then it shouldn't be THAT big of an issue if they advance over you. You could still end up in the 'crowd' so to speak with the ability to still game solve.

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Match 1:

Nynaeve (1) - Sooh

Verbal (6) - Ben, Nyn, LZM, SK, AJ, Aquilla

 

Match 2:

BFG (7) - AJ, Ben, Verb, LZM, Lenlo, Aquilla, Nyn

AJ (3) - BFG, Sooh, SK

 

Match 3:

SK (4) - Ben, Aquilla, AJ, Lenlo

Aquilla (4) - SK, Sooh, LZM, BFG

 

Match 4:

Lenlo (5) - Ben, Sooh, Nyn, BFG, LZM

LZM (4) - Lenlo, SK, Aquilla, AJ

 

Match 5:

Sooh (3) - Ben, Aquilla, LZM

Ben (5) - Sooh, Nyn, SK, AJ, Lenlo

 

[Andrej]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FWIW i get where you’re coming from. LZM could be a disinterested townie but that doesn’t automatically make Lenlo scum, for instance. Idk - I just feel like for him to vote Sooh and call it a coin flip when there’s more than enough content (IMO) to make a read on both her and Ben is a bad look. Could be disinterest. Could be intentionally not opening up. I don’t see his process and I can’t read his mind.

Look... I feel conflicted irt the lenlo/lzm pairing prolly the most. Closely followed by SK/Aquilla. I'm doing what I can but it's just hard to discern with them for obvious reasons. So it's not really gonna be a cut and dry deal... it is what it is. Either way a decision is going to have to be made *shrug*

I’m in the same place regarding those two matchups. SK isn’t doing anything at all and I have no base to read Aquilla from.

 

If LZM had said it was a coin flip between those two I could understand. Sooh/Ben though? Not so much.

While I don't have anything to base it on, could be that he just doens't know how to read us. I mean, I'm far from certain on Ben, and reading me has confused most of you guys in the past.

 

 

I suppose that’s valid too. I could just be overly critical I guess, but on the other hand I’d rather not talk myself into giving LZM a town read over seeing what he brings to the table himself. Know what I mean?

 

I guess I just don't see the urge to win his pairing, which means as scum he's basically throwing in the towel. Sure he might be the one scum puts back in the game, or he'll still have a vote, but it's just not logical to me to not see him try harder to win his pairing and gain the advantage. With that in mind, Ben with his "you should vote me to move on in the game because I need the experience" is the polar opposite and part of why I'm still not sure about Ben. 

 

This was a really good thought, btw. But yeah, the possibility of Lenlo/LZM being scum, or like LZM being the symp and opting to keep one of the goons in play are still possibilities.

 

But generally, I like how you applied his attitude to the setup versus Ben's - which I think might've been a joke? Idk - like you said earlier, I can't always tell 100% when he's being serious or not, so some of the stuff he says reads awkwardly to me.

[LedZepMan]

Y'all are right. I don't have a huge drive to win my matchup

[Andrej]

Y'all are right. I don't have a huge drive to win my matchup

And this is because...

 

Really I just don’t know what to make of it. You seemed a lot more gung ho in Tainted Minds but maybe that was because you were a Cop and the setup was more traditional. Idk - I haven’t written you off yet. I just need more to work with and you’re not giving me much. Different strokes, etc though

[Andrej]

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

[v]Aquilla[/v]

Porque

[LedZepMan]

It's because I'm busy, also tree stump stuff. If I win I'm subject to nk. If I die...... then I can stick around.

 

I don't know how to proceed, and I'd have to go all crazy playing to town tell.

[LedZepMan]

I hate playing VT

[Gentled Ben]

You feel least comfortable about me :(

 

Is it the mask? Or the Leno? BABY I CAN CHANGE!

 

But how do you feel about AJ being in that group then? Is his presence not noteworthy? What about the fact that im voting for SK? I know Aquilla is also there, but him and SK are in the same group. Im curious about the other parts of this, how it effects your view of SK, Aquilla and AJ. Im voting SK with Aquilla and AJ how does that look, or how I am voting Ben with SK and AJ, or Verb with all 3.

 

Imo its a just a pattern thing. Its a bunch of 50/50 votes, of course somethin will show up, but I am curious how it effects things for you outside the LZM train.

It has occurred to me while riding the bus (see, AJ? I’m still solving even though I’m resigned to being a lynch, I just don’t have to be enthusiastic about it) that the safest play for mafia is to use a scum pairing. Sure, they are guaranteed a loss on D1, but they also prevent a D1 town win, which, as Nyn pointed out, is our best chance to win. With an m/m pairing, they are assured of lasting into D2, and they get 3 kills, two from elimination and one from NK. Then they can reinstate a wolf and either attack weak townies in a pairing with a string wolf if one has emerged or put the reinstated wolf against another wolf and be assured of lasting until D3, and if that’s their strategy (it’s what I would have pushed for as a wolf), then a lot of early bite analysis could be rendered less useful.

 

Still catching up...

[Gentled Ben]

* strong wolf. One made of string would probably stand out.

[Gentled Ben]

* vote analysis, although since I was talking about wolves, bite analysis is a cute autocorrect. You get a pass for that one, Siri.

[Lenlo]

 

 

AJ and Sooh... thoughts on Ben?

Getting back to this. I did a quick skim of his ISO from Suicide Squad and Tainted Minds, and I’m still undecided. He did the “I suck as town” thing in SS as the IC so meh. It wasn’t to this extent though. I need a bigger sample and there’s not a ton of stuff for him to react to this game so far. The reads on me and Sooh are about it plus his list where he had Lenlo as an town read as well. I’d like to hear about that.

 

Lenlo seemed solvy, and he still does. The "let's lynch active, obvious townies" strategy that he and Sooh entertained worried me some, but I still have a slight town feel on him, and in his pairing, he seems more town than LZM, who is more detached and cautious than he has seemed to me in his other town games, so I have a slight scum read on LZM. My vote in that bracket stays.

 

I feel the need to once again reiterate, people are not being lynched. They are being knocked out of a tournament. Town cannot kill anyone, so losing a group isnt that big a deal nor necessarily a bad thing.

[Gentled Ben]

 

Yeah I really only figured out you were scum because the POE was gone in Suicide Squad. I think there’s only been one game where I was super comfortable calling you town just based on your play alone.

I know Ragnarok was good for me but dunno about others. I have yet to be able to replicate it. One day ill figure out how to town tell. Consistently. Being hard to figure out either way really just makes you POE in every single game you play. Its not great.

Yeah, I’m starting to learn that.

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

AJ and Sooh... thoughts on Ben?

Getting back to this. I did a quick skim of his ISO from Suicide Squad and Tainted Minds, and I’m still undecided. He did the “I suck as town” thing in SS as the IC so meh. It wasn’t to this extent though. I need a bigger sample and there’s not a ton of stuff for him to react to this game so far. The reads on me and Sooh are about it plus his list where he had Lenlo as an town read as well. I’d like to hear about that.

Lenlo seemed solvy, and he still does. The "let's lynch active, obvious townies" strategy that he and Sooh entertained worried me some, but I still have a slight town feel on him, and in his pairing, he seems more town than LZM, who is more detached and cautious than he has seemed to me in his other town games, so I have a slight scum read on LZM. My vote in that bracket stays.

I feel the need to once again reiterate, people are not being lynched. They are being knocked out of a tournament. Town cannot kill anyone, so losing a group isnt that big a deal nor necessarily a bad thing.

Not everyone comes back to continue playing, and dead townies who are hanging around do not count toward town totals, so lynching is as big a deal as it is in any game, and it feels scummy to be nonchalant about it. I would not be surprised if you and LZM are both wolves.

[LedZepMan]

 

 

 

 

AJ and Sooh... thoughts on Ben?

Getting back to this. I did a quick skim of his ISO from Suicide Squad and Tainted Minds, and I’m still undecided. He did the “I suck as town” thing in SS as the IC so meh. It wasn’t to this extent though. I need a bigger sample and there’s not a ton of stuff for him to react to this game so far. The reads on me and Sooh are about it plus his list where he had Lenlo as an town read as well. I’d like to hear about that.

Lenlo seemed solvy, and he still does. The "let's lynch active, obvious townies" strategy that he and Sooh entertained worried me some, but I still have a slight town feel on him, and in his pairing, he seems more town than LZM, who is more detached and cautious than he has seemed to me in his other town games, so I have a slight scum read on LZM. My vote in that bracket stays.

I feel the need to once again reiterate, people are not being lynched. They are being knocked out of a tournament. Town cannot kill anyone, so losing a group isnt that big a deal nor necessarily a bad thing.

Not everyone comes back to continue playing, and dead townies who are hanging around do not count toward town totals, so lynching is as big a deal as it is in any game, and it feels scummy to be nonchalant about it. I would not be surprised if you and LZM are both wolves.

Ouch bro. Actually you have it wrong. Scum can only kill winners of brackets. Even if I die my vote counts.......so what's the big deal?

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FWIW i get where you’re coming from. LZM could be a disinterested townie but that doesn’t automatically make Lenlo scum, for instance. Idk - I just feel like for him to vote Sooh and call it a coin flip when there’s more than enough content (IMO) to make a read on both her and Ben is a bad look. Could be disinterest. Could be intentionally not opening up. I don’t see his process and I can’t read his mind.

Look... I feel conflicted irt the lenlo/lzm pairing prolly the most. Closely followed by SK/Aquilla. I'm doing what I can but it's just hard to discern with them for obvious reasons. So it's not really gonna be a cut and dry deal... it is what it is. Either way a decision is going to have to be made *shrug*

I’m in the same place regarding those two matchups. SK isn’t doing anything at all and I have no base to read Aquilla from.

 

If LZM had said it was a coin flip between those two I could understand. Sooh/Ben though? Not so much.

While I don't have anything to base it on, could be that he just doens't know how to read us. I mean, I'm far from certain on Ben, and reading me has confused most of you guys in the past.

I suppose that’s valid too. I could just be overly critical I guess, but on the other hand I’d rather not talk myself into giving LZM a town read over seeing what he brings to the table himself. Know what I mean?

I guess I just don't see the urge to win his pairing, which means as scum he's basically throwing in the towel. Sure he might be the one scum puts back in the game, or he'll still have a vote, but it's just not logical to me to not see him try harder to win his pairing and gain the advantage. With that in mind, Ben with his "you should vote me to move on in the game because I need the experience" is the polar opposite and part of why I'm still not sure about Ben.

What if LZM/Lenlo are both mafia?

Hahaha Great minds...

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

 

 

AJ and Sooh... thoughts on Ben?

Getting back to this. I did a quick skim of his ISO from Suicide Squad and Tainted Minds, and I’m still undecided. He did the “I suck as town” thing in SS as the IC so meh. It wasn’t to this extent though. I need a bigger sample and there’s not a ton of stuff for him to react to this game so far. The reads on me and Sooh are about it plus his list where he had Lenlo as an town read as well. I’d like to hear about that.

Lenlo seemed solvy, and he still does. The "let's lynch active, obvious townies" strategy that he and Sooh entertained worried me some, but I still have a slight town feel on him, and in his pairing, he seems more town than LZM, who is more detached and cautious than he has seemed to me in his other town games, so I have a slight scum read on LZM. My vote in that bracket stays.

I feel the need to once again reiterate, people are not being lynched. They are being knocked out of a tournament. Town cannot kill anyone, so losing a group isnt that big a deal nor necessarily a bad thing.

Not everyone comes back to continue playing, and dead townies who are hanging around do not count toward town totals, so lynching is as big a deal as it is in any game, and it feels scummy to be nonchalant about it. I would not be surprised if you and LZM are both wolves.

Ouch bro. Actually you have it wrong. Scum can only kill winners of brackets. Even if I die my vote counts.......so what's the big deal?

I thought they could leave two losers dead. Anyway, it is a big deal because lynched townies no longer count as town in the scum vs town tally. Lynched townies, rather than having no ill effect on the game, actually help the scum team to win. Not sure why you and Lenlo aren’t seeing that. Wait, yes I am...

[Gentled Ben]

Even when I dont do anything wrong im a wolf apparently :(

You’re singing my song

[Gentled Ben]

Okay, I’ll have to stop there for now

[LedZepMan]

Meh, maybe I'm wrong. Heck if I know what's going on.

 

Let's say you're right Ben, and dead townies don't help. What say you about Verbals willingness to go out?

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

AJ and Sooh... thoughts on Ben?

Getting back to this. I did a quick skim of his ISO from Suicide Squad and Tainted Minds, and I’m still undecided. He did the “I suck as town” thing in SS as the IC so meh. It wasn’t to this extent though. I need a bigger sample and there’s not a ton of stuff for him to react to this game so far. The reads on me and Sooh are about it plus his list where he had Lenlo as an town read as well. I’d like to hear about that.

Lenlo seemed solvy, and he still does. The "let's lynch active, obvious townies" strategy that he and Sooh entertained worried me some, but I still have a slight town feel on him, and in his pairing, he seems more town than LZM, who is more detached and cautious than he has seemed to me in his other town games, so I have a slight scum read on LZM. My vote in that bracket stays.

I feel the need to once again reiterate, people are not being lynched. They are being knocked out of a tournament. Town cannot kill anyone, so losing a group isnt that big a deal nor necessarily a bad thing.

Not everyone comes back to continue playing, and dead townies who are hanging around do not count toward town totals, so lynching is as big a deal as it is in any game, and it feels scummy to be nonchalant about it. I would not be surprised if you and LZM are both wolves.

 

They dont die! Yes, they dont count towards total, but they still have a vote. Thats what your not getting. If I or LZM are voted out, we still get a vote in the next round. The idea was to vote out High volume/vocal town so they would be protected, because Wolves can kill 2 winners and 1 loser. If you paid attention though you would see me and Sooh talked it out and decided it was still a net negative.

 

Your calling me a wolf for an idea that was already discussed and dismissed dude.